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Naruto Chapter 519 – A Father’s Gift

naruto-retro1Post Author: Bob

Hi folks, sorry for being a little late with this chapter’s write-up, mangastream’s release came a little later than usual too and it threw off my timing. But enough lame excuses from me, let’s get to breaking down this chapter. I’m a little short on time this week due to exams, so I’ll be relying on ye ol’ point-form style writing to lay down my ideas faster.

– I like the idea of having a weak point in Kabuto’s Edo Tensei like I stated last week. The idea of the undead summons’ souls being automatically released so long as they resolve some issue they left behind before dying is a unique approach. It basically allows Kishi a second chance to explore deeper into these characters, some of whom he might have killed off too quickly due to time constraints or other circumstances. Sasori is a good example of this as the circumstances of his demise raised questions about what did he really wanted out of life? While I’m glad Kankuro was able to resolve that question for Sasori and release his soul, the whole set up still felt too convenient for my liking. Then again, I’m mainly griping because I wanted to see a longer battle involving the revived Sasori or at least have him retreat and take part in the rest of the war to come.

– Now that the ambush squad has learned how to counter Kabuto’s Edo Tensei, I’m sure the info will be passed on to the rest of the alliance army to utilize. I can see similar set-ups happening to undead Itachi, Pein, Asuma, Dan, Zabuza, Haku and basically all the ‘good guys’ that were summoned. However, if Kabuto comes to realize what is happening, he will probably suppress all their souls and control them like brainless slaves. The down side for Kabuto is that it will require more concentration from him and overall reduce his undead summons’ combat effectiveness as they lose autonomy. A cool idea is for perhaps some of the summons to somehow resist Kabuto’s control and fight for the alliance.

– This chapter shows one of the first clear signs that Madara and Kabuto plan to double cross each other down the line. Madara probably knew this the first time Kabuto offered to partner up, but I guess he chose to work with Kabuto in order to take advantage of him. But this chapter is the first time Madara is seeing evidence that Kabuto’s presence is actually working against him since he deliberately led Anko to their hideout. Also, why did Madara accept Kabuto’s help in the first place unless he wasn’t as confident as he’d liked about the outcome of the war with just his Zetsu army, Sasuke and the captured bijuu. Maybe he wouldn’t be in this position if he hadn’t allowed almost all his Akatsuki members die.

– Naruto’s new training should be really interesting. I was wondering if he’d ever learn the beast transformation technique Killer Bee uses, but I guess the chances of that happening are nil since there’s no way the fox is going to cooperate with Naruto in any way.

– That mini-Kyuubi Naruto transformed into was pretty cute. If anyone has read the first Naruto pilot chapter, there’s a mini-fox in there that resembles the one in this chapter. I’m also wondering why Naruto has such a hard time just transforming into Kyuubi’s shape; I remember that he did a pretty convincing combo-transformation into the Kyuubi with Gamabunta back when he fought Gaara in the Konoha Invasion arc.

– I seriously laughed out loud when Naruto tried to the Tailed Beast Bomb (they should change the name) by trying to force himself to throw up after hearing Killer Bee describe it as such a feeling. Oh Naruto, don’t ever change.

– Naruto being able to use his chakra aura like appendages in the new sage mode opens up a whole slew of new combat techniques. I hope Naruto ups his taijutsu training with Killer Bee as well and not rely too much on trying to master a new Rasengan. To effectively fight Sasuke in the near future, he’ll need a slew of new moves to keep up with Sasuke’s skills.

– Based on Killer Bee’s dialogue, it seems to suggest that he had encountered Minato some time in the past and/or at least witnessed the Rasengan in action. I’m interested to know what happened in such an encounter, but that story might never see the light of day 😦

– So essentially, Minato developed the Rasengan as a way to emulate the Tailed Beast Bomb he had seen the Bijuu use. Although it also made for an excellent close-ranged attack, Minato’s intention seemed to have been to pass the jutsu down to Naruto someday so he could master the technique using his own Bijuu powers. Minato must have also planned for the outcome that he might not be around to teach Naruto the technique and so he passed it onto Jiraiya and made him Naruto’s godfather so he can teach Naruto the Rasengan in his absence. Don’t forget that that he also prepared the Kyuubi’s seals and planted himself and Kushina’s chakra in them to give Naruto crucial help at important junctures in his development. So pretty much every step in Naruto’s progression to mastering the Kyuubi’s powers has been planned out in some way by Minato… what a guy.

168 Responses

  1. Minato was the man. I mean the man behind all this. The title is just perfect. “A Father’s GIft.”

    I will await for the time that KB will tell why that shivering was clear.

  2. you are all missing out on a crucial fact, minato probably didn’t know that kushina was going to give birth to naruto when he invented the rasengan, nor that madara would attack them and the kyub would be transferred to his son, so i think it’s more of a coincidence, or maybe he tried to help his wife????

  3. First im glad to see kishi donating some time to show that edo tensi isnt nearly as uber over powered as we all thought it was, even if it is a bit cliche.

    Next i think when it comes to naruto’s tai jutsu your forgetting the completly awesome spedd he showed being used in SoTSP form. Id like to know where that is compared to lees spedd in 8 gates mode.

    Lastly, how crazy strong will this new technique be? It looks like it will bee a tailed beast bomb with a rasengan mixed into it. …kame-hame-haaa….urrr ummm i mean rasengan.

  4. Sorry about spelling. The keyboard on my droid isnt all that accurate

  5. Yeah… Instead of trying to find a new jutsu Kishi is finding a new meaning for Rasengan!!!! How cool is that??
    At least if he try to mix sage mode with fox mode then the chakra usage by kyubi can be decreases to an extent doesn’t it?? If he can find a way to gather natural energy while moving and mixing it with fox chakra at the same time then that wud be awesome….
    Not another version of rasengan…. 😦

  6. Now I think Minato first saw Tailed Beast Bomb from his wife Kushina….It s from her that he got the idea for Rasengan….That s far more logical than other theories…I mean he is powerfull cool and everything else but I doubt he could see the future ❤

  7. good chapter, bob-o this is one of the quickest release on the breakdown that i have witnessed, there was only 16 responses to the “its out” discussion, the manga did take a long to come out though, good job on giving a positive outlook on edo tensei weakness, many of great battles to come!, also i can see the zombies finding a way of loosening the tie that kabuto has on them and fighting to actually die peacefuly by konohas hand, kabuto said something while hold anko with his snake tail ” ive got a good feel for it now” what does mean, he didnt say it outloud, was he getting something out of anko, curse mark maybe? killerbee knows something of importance, minato is the badass of this manga, any other takers???? 1 or 2 chapters ago there was a cover page, to the manga, that had naruto in super saiyan mode with what looked like rasengans around his head, maybe thats the technique he will learn, I can see killerbee rappin ” YA KIILERBEE IS RUTHLESS, AND STARTS WITH A GREAT RHYME, THIS TRAINING IS USELESS, LIKE LOOKIN LEFT AND RIGHT AT THE SAMETIME YA ” then naruto will incorporate shadow clones to complete the jutsu, still naruto will be a bigger badass than minato soon

  8. I think minato saw the power of the tailed beast bomb and decided to emulate it itself. As we know he didn’t perfect it, he taught the pervy sage the rasengan and probably told him the where he got the idea from and that it wasn’t completed. Now with minato sealing the nine tails in his son, jiriya just put two and two together which was Minato emulated a tail beast attack and his son is a tailed beast

  9. Sorry for the rant but why the hell every time naruto powers up it comes with a huge risk. Mean while sasuke gets itachi’s eyes which give him ems. From tobi/madara or whoever the hell he is, the ems has no draw backs

  10. i have to agree that improved taijutsu, wind jutsu and defenses are necessary to his development. Because even though spirit bomb is cool, all his moves can’t be finishing moves

  11. I just wonder how conisderably more damage the tailed beast bomb deals out compared to the Rasan Shuriken? It seems to be the most destructive technique in Naruto universe. I guess the Tailed beast bomb is condensed chakra!

    I wonder if Naruto needs to add wind element into the fold too allow it to be airborn. Now how much more power would Wind element givve it it was added?

    Maybe Naruto has to eat the chakra ball and then fire it like a Final fantasy Bahamut Mega Flare?

  12. now naruto needs to learn maths ha ha thats gonna be the hardest lesson of his life! 8:2 ratio lol!

    So Naruto only has the black yang chakra from Kyubi! does that mean that he will have to strip the yin chakra from his own Supply?

  13. well done Bob and nice title

  14. If this is the First technique he will learn i wonder what other techniques he will learn like Bob sama suggested he needs a good range of techniques! He has already mastered his Chakra arms and has a high level or speed so you could say he has mastered the following so far:

    Body Flicker Technique
    Chakra Arms
    He will Master the (Tailed Beast Bomb)
    Yang Release <— Breaths life into form
    Negative Emotion Sensor
    Regeneration

    Sage mode Gave him the following:

    Increased Strength
    Increased Speed
    Chakra Sensing
    Regeneration
    Frog Katas
    Rasenshurriken

  15. what about combining the fox chackra mode with sage mode is it possible ????????

  16. I too would like to know how Minato and Killer Bee met. If I remember right the Leaf and Cloud villages were heated rivals in the past. I suppose during the last Great Ninja war he left a hell of an impression.

    Seeing Naruto train brings back memories of all his other hilarious failures. He had two glorious moments of FAIL this week, with his failed shortcut for the tailed beast bomb and the botched transformation. I only wish Kakashi’s was around to see this. His face would’ve been priceless.

  17. So KillerBee’s shoulder shudder tells me only one thing:

    He faced Minato and got schooled, because a part of him still fears that last encounter. Of course, because of the ninja that he is, KB ultimately respects Minato. As to the Rasengan being developed for Naruto for this purpose:

    I don’t really think so, Minato thought ahead, but not in the way you think. It seems likely to me that Mito and Kushina had imperfect access to the Kyuubi chakra, if they had any. Minato probably saw the Kyuubi as Konoha’s legacy, and so he needed to create a jutsu that any Kyuubi jinchurriki could use. Perhaps the rasengan was meant for Kushina, but we don’t know that for sure.

    This makes more sense to me because at the time of Naruto’s birth, he wasn’t planning on putting the Kyuubi in Naruto then, it just happened. Even so, Minato put steps in place so that future jinchurrikis, whoever they were, could learn the Rasengan. He probably figured Jiraiya or Kakashi would be entrusted to take care of them someday if he wasn’t around. Don’t forget that Kakashi knew the Rasengan too.

  18. @lost shinobi

    MS had a HUGE risk to Sasuke, in fact he went blind pretty much immediately. The cursed seal would consume Sasuke if he used it too much, making him simply a slave to Orochimaru. Granted, we don’t know any drawbacks for Eternal Mangekyou, although one of them could be that Susanoo still takes a toll on the body, just as it does with MS.

    I guess this could be a good theory as to why (if Tobi is Madara…) Madara is a shell of his former self. He used Susanoo too much and so his body gave out.

  19. @ripcord
    although thats true about sasuke both sage mode and now kyubi mode can kill naruto. Blindness isnt death and he had backup eyes, even if he never planned to use em initially.

    And sasuke was probaly better at using his curse mark then anyone except maybe jugo. And he only used it a couple of times.

  20. @ripcord that sounds possible

  21. @Ripcord I dont think Kakashi was initially entrusted with the Rasengan as he seemed to just copied it with his Sharingan but Jiraiya Certain had to learn the hard way and be entrusted with it. Its a Konoha Legacy really isnt it!

  22. @MattMaru

    Kakashi learned about the rasengan before creating the chidori, which is a wanabe nature & shape manipulation and all of which was all before he got his sharingan from obito.

  23. When did it state that he was taught the Rasengan before he Created the Chidori?

  24. @mattmaru

    Kishi made two conflicting statements actually, he learned the Rasengan, but couldn’t put his elemental chakra into it, that’s why he created the chidori.

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-321/07/

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-321/09/

  25. http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-321/10/

    Here he says he can somehow manage to copy it, which I always thought he meant with sharingan, but that isn’t true actually.

    He HAD to have learned Rasengan before Kakashi Gaiden, if Rasengan was his inspiration for developing chidori.

  26. @Donkongo

    fusing sage mode and it togeather looked good on paper but doing it in the middle of battle can’t happen now he can’t make shadow clones to take in nature chakra for him in the middle of battle so no sage mode with kyuubi mode

    @Mattmaru

    Body Flicker Technique (when he used it spained his ankle and got him stuck in a wall he has not mastered it)
    Chakra Arms
    He will Master the (Tailed Beast Bomb) (just has to make sure it does not blow up in his face)
    Yang Release <— Breaths life into form (thats passive and not a real tech he can't even stay in his new form for too long)
    Negative Emotion Sensor
    Regeneration (actully this seems to be gone as he spained his ankle and it took some time for it to heal)

    also lets look at the draw backs of the new form before prasing naruto power

    no sage mode at the same time
    no normal rasengans
    no clones
    can only stay in this form for a limited amonnt of time or death

  27. aaah ok cool, its a bit fluffy if he learned the rasengan before he created the chidori but it could of been his inspiration yeah 🙂

  28. Perhaps the advantage to this form is that he can assume it on the fly in battle, instantly. I guess you could say “well he can make a shadow clone pretty fast and whip out a rasengan that way” but if his new technique really is something special, being able to instantly spam it from somewhere Sasuke didn’t expect (like by using one of the chakra arms) then this could be pretty good.

  29. I disagree a bit. I think naruto using sage mode to supplement his chakra with life energy will allow him too feed constant chakra to the fox while being in both forms at the same time. Its just activating them in order. Sage mode- ->kyubi mode. And after his fight with pein on the way to the kage summit we see naruto starting to train to increase the length of time to use sage mode.

    I think the 2 chakras nature energy and kyubi chakra will balence themselves out. Allowing for naruto to use both at the same time, but i think its too soon for that and it will be naruto’s final powerup

  30. What i am wondering is that like The sage mode Rasenshuriken! how many Tailed Beast Bombs can Naruto Create before he has to come out of Kyubi Mode ? First off he cant Just gather Chakra like Sage mode and have CHakra clone batteries to top up because it dont work like that and if he does to many powerful Techniques to quickly and messes up its not like he has anything to fall back on because as Hachibi stated it will take a while for Naruto Chakra to regain!

    One thing that people have stated is have a Sage mode could be the chakra buffer to stop naruto’s chakra being depleted but he would have to use Chakra cloned orrrrrr have ma and pa on his shoulders and we still dont know whether they Sync.

  31. no he can’t sync with Ma and Pa

  32. sorry i took your name there im envoius of it

    i ment to say @mattamaru sorry

  33. so i guess minato planned for naruto to be a jinchiriki?

  34. Well he couldnt sync with Ma and Pa when he hadnt controlled Kyubi but we dont knwo if he can or cannot now! so its a possibility

  35. lol i knowur names envy but why u envious of it? 😛 or is that the joke!!

  36. @madara uchiha

    Not necessarily. He planned for the future Kyuubi jinchurrikis to be able to use the Tailed Beast Bomb, without having to cooperate with the Kyuubi.

    He still can’t sync with Ma & Pa because he doesn’t have cooperation with the Kyuubi. As we saw in this chapter, the Kyuubi is still connected to Naruto’s chakra network.

  37. I know I said this before but Bob you explained it perfect, this shows Minato was just the strongest, wisest ninja in the entire shinobi world! Man this guy surprises me to no end, I don’t care what the data books say, Minato was and still is the man!

  38. Knowing that the rasengan is based on a tailed beast technique, it is even easier to believe that minato would need three years to master it. This chapter also suggests that minato may have been smarter than expected.Now I really don’t think he was kidding when he told kushina that she made him hokage. He coulf have adapyed more of his major techniques from the Nine-Tails. Body flicker could eaisy be a donwgraded imitation of the fox’s speed. Like Bob noticed , Minato analyzes information to the smallest of details. Once he’s got the concept of a jutsu, he is able to do bigger and better things with it. Naruto seems to have inherited this trait from his father. I think trhat is why all his jutsu are different versions of the same thing. If I didn’t know any better I would say that Minato and Naruto both share some uchiha blood.

  39. Sorry for the grammatical errors. I was in a rush. Anyway, “coulf” is should be “could” and “adapyed” should be “adapted.”

  40. @Yellowflash2 and token I just read your posts about minato’s awesomeness. I agree, too!

  41. ah, and to think he forsaw all this happening, I think Minato has some sort of premonition power or something because I knew he gave Naruto the Kyuubi power so he can be Madara and become the Destined Child or what ever but the fact that he created Rasengan just for Naruto knowing that he wouldn’t be able to use the beast transformation technique ontop of all the other things he’s done to shape this future, it’s amazing, I can’t believed how excited this makes me. I just can’t wait to see what else he has done for Naruto. I just hope he returns, someday.

  42. @yellowflash Minato might have expected Naruto to take after him.They both show similar attitudes towaed the fox.They both share similar opinions about jiraiya. I think Naruto was so effective in diffusing the situation with pein partially because he agreed with his father’s assessment of him. Naruto may not always show it, but he can sometimes be as rational as his father. Everything that Naruto has learned so far has come from his father in some way.
    Whoa! The image of the scond hokage and minato just flashed in my brain for a second. If you look at the two of them side by side, you might see a lot of similarities. What are the chances they are related? Maybe the second taught minato space-time techniques as a family tradition.

  43. @Naruto Tutor, yeah, they do look a lot alike, and in some way it’s like Minato has been with Naruto in one way or another through his entire life.
    -Minato passed down the dream of becoming Hokage which we learned Minato had that same dream which he accomplished.
    -He also passed down the Rasengan
    -He left Jiraiya to be Naruto’s father figure just like Jiraiya was his father figure.
    -He also passed down the will of fire, the same passion Minato had for protecting the village, Naruto has.

    Back to the Second Hokage thing, you really are right, maybe you are on to something. I think the Second Hokage is going to become a lot more relevant to the story because we found out he was great at Space/Time ninjutsu and also he created the Edo Tensei technique which is the bases of the Akatsuki’s power right now so maybe he is more important than we thought. The more I think about it the more I think Senju is behind everything.

    Thinkg about it:
    1. This guy claims to be Madara but he won’t reveal his face but he seems to have total knowledge of the Rikudo Sage and the Senju and Uchiha bloodlines.
    2. He has to be a descendant of Senju because in order for you to control the Rinnegan you have to have a Senju body.
    3. Senju had a hatred for Uchiha just like Uchiha had a hatred for Senju, so I’m guessing he used Madara’s hatred for Uchiha as a cover up of his true Identity but just wanted Uchiha wiped out because of the decades of bad blood between the two clans.
    4. Though he hated Uchiha he admired their power and knew he needed it to become the next Rikudo Sage and with that power he can claim the Juubi for himself making him the ultimate power and bringing on his own version of peace.
    5.This also explains why he is using Senju power as his foundation. Just look at the Zetsu army, he is not only using the bijuu power but also Harashima’s cells (Senju DNA) to create them, that’s why they are plant like creatures.
    Everything points back to Senju so I really think he is a long lost Senju descendant. Thought I could be wrong.

  44. Its time to be an asshole. I call bullshit! At first we wee told that the Rasengan was the Fourth’s jutsu by Jiraiya and he never even alluded to it being incomplete. Then Kakashi came around and said the Fourth intended to add elemental chakra, and now we’re being told it was made from waching Tailed Beast balls? WTF KISHI!? Make up your mind already! Gah this feels like an asspull for the sake of convenience. Well I’m not convinced Kishi, I am not convinced.

    @Token, now do you see how right I was? Sasori has parent issues. I’m glad that he could finally let go though. I want to see Kankuro using Sasori’s old body with Mother and Father, so he can be with his parents, in a sense. It was nice to see Deidara showing concern for Sasori though, it seems he really does consider him a role model/master. That was touching. He probably feels betrayed though. But this raises a few questions:

    1. How the hell will anyone appeal to Kakuzu? He and Hidan are the least developed members of Akatsuki. Who will appeal to the people from the 3rd Shippuden movie (and all of them have kekkei genkai)? Who will appeal to Kimimaro, Gaara Senior (ok maybe Gaara can)? etc.

    2. Why was Sasori resurrected in his human body, yet Kimimaro was resurrected with his Cursed Seal? Kishi is rushing and is opening up plot holes all over the place (like with the movie 3 people, where do they fit into the canon plot)

    Tailed Beast bomb = Bijudama
    Spirit Bomb (DBZ) = Genkidama

    I don’t think Killerbee necessarily fought Minato, he just knew his reputation. I’m sure if I mention Hitler to a Jew that survived his reign they would shiver. It’s possible they met on the battlefield (Bee would’ve been at most 19), but that only makes Minato seem weak..weaker. Part of his legend his that ninjas that face him don’t live to tell the tale.

    @a lost shinobi, let me tell u why Sasugay’s powerups are so ill-thought-out. HE WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE MANGA! Kishi’s editors forced him to create a rival for Naruto. And even then he just read a bunch of manga and amalgamated a bunch of rival characters and the end result was Sasugay. There is no originality to him because he isnt an original character. Assgay is a Black hole. He sucks the good qualities away from any character that gets near him. Look how crappy he made Naruto look during the Kage Summit last year? The ONLY reason I’m still reading this manga is to see Sasugay die.

  45. No, Sasuke isnt a Black hole, he’s a cancer. He is slowly killing this manga. I REALLY hate this guy. I really don’t believe its right to hate a fictional character this much. If I could choose who to kill; Hitler or sasugay, I’m shooting Hitler then kicking Sasugay in the nuts (if he even has any), reload and shoot him next. I don’t even know why I brought him up. Perhaps its Naruto’s more-than-friends attraction to him that angers me. Hell even Goku was more mature than Naruto. He at least knew some people were too far-gone. In his fights with Frieza, Cell and buu he gives them lots of chances to change but Buu is the only one that actually accepted. Sasugay is Cell and Frieza (forgive me Cell and Frieza for comparing you to this scum), he shouldn’t be forgiven since he’s turned down every chance offered, he should be killed. Oh yeah, now I remember why I brought up Sasugay, it’s “a lost shinobi’s” fault.

    Now back to the actual chapter 🙂

    Naruto’s new form. I knew the chakra cloak was better. It allowed for the arms, Shadow Clones, poisonous touch. Perhaps the chakra cloak is the form best suited for combat while this form is best suited for everything else. Oh and fusing with Ma and Pa wouldn’t help here. They continuously absorb Nature chakra, but if your mental and physical chakra aren’t in balance with it then u turn to stone. And remember the Kyubi is constantly feeding on Naruto mental and physical chakra in this state so Ma and Pa would only turn Naruto to stone. Quite the dilemma :/

    I’ll make another comment once I’m done reading the rest of the comments

  46. Ok I just finished reading the comments. There’s no way Minato had the forethought you are all trying to give hi. Its illogical. Only one being has that kind of forethought and he’s Sousuke Aizen, and he ISNT EVEN IN THIS MANGA. Ok, somehow Minato would’ve had to know:

    1. that he’d hook up with Kushina,
    2. some random mask guy would cause him and Kushina to die
    3. factor in 1000s of variables.

    He likely did what ripcord said. He made the technique for any Kyubi jinchuriki and not specifically Naruto. Even then I call bullshit on the Bijudama. When it was first used there were no swirls or rotations or any of that stuff. Chakra balls just came together and formed a bigger ball that hits people.

    http://animeready.com/naruto-shippuden-42/ (if you wish to confirm, just watch from 13:50 onward).

    A special treat because the outcome was so correct (lets see who steps on this landmine lol):

  47. @kisu quoting anime isnt exactly fail proof given its not officially kishi’s work and actually if u think about it the rasengan is a small ball of condensed chakra…. its not a exact replication of the biju bomb given that theirs can be fired but its the same logic in that chakra is poured and compressed into a concentrated ball of energy, rammed into the opponent as opposed to being fired. As for kb trembling perhaps he has heard stories of the fourth hokage dominating cloud forces and trembles out of fear due to his immense reputation. As for sasori he cant exactly be reborn in a puppet body cause thats not his original form if u will and a puppet body isnt exactly alive… its wood so not sure y he would be reborn in a wood body specially since kankoru has it. Him being reborn in a puppet body would be a even worse plot hole. As for the video it was pretty awesome lol. Be better though if it wasnt a person vs the computer… sides whos to say the computer wasnt on easy 😛 And at 1:09 minato hits pein but his attack doesnt register… odd :P. Course this video just makes me wish minato was still around in the manga…..

  48. also the rotation is used to stabilize the ball more than anything since it is based off the biju bomb so its just a added way for users to be able to perform it similar to the biju


  49. there is shown rotation though so who knows. Minato rocks ftw!!

  50. @Token, the attack doesnt register because Pain IS GOD! Even the game fears him, now that’s badass 🙂

  51. Lol didnt now gods could die…….

  52. Badass is someone who can emulate and create a jutsu purely based on the tailed beasts and who’s prescence still impacts the story…. how much of pein have we heard about since his death??

  53. Awesome video! Which Naruto game is that from?

  54. Badass is someone that can use any ninjutsu no matter what the element 😉

    Even more badass is a lonely, overweight fox

  55. @Lord Hyuga, Ultimate Ninja Storm 2

    @Token, well isnt it Pain’s Rinnegan that’s just made Madara the most broken character in the mang-
    *looks at Sasugay*
    wait, I meant the SECOND most broken character. God I hate that kid

  56. lol broken doesnt mean badass. Otherwise i guess sasuke is the most badass character in naruto. And Madara is a joke we havent seen him fight anyone but konan and he should have died if not for the izanagi hacks. And Pein had the rinnengan given to him didnt he? at least thats what madara said so basically pein is a creation of madara… or his biatch if u prefer 😛

  57. Ill take a natural born genius who was gifted over a creation of a power tripped madara any time

  58. Naruto actually mixed sage mode with kyubi chakra, after the pein fight when he met nageto for the first time

  59. CH. 444, pg. 4 bottom right panel is where naruto combines sage and kyubi. So there is the balance talked about.

  60. i think naruto now can sync with Ma & Pa because he able to control Kyuubi’s chakra

  61. important points to note:
    1. KB probably only heard of minato, i mean there meeting would have had to have been some 17years ago, prior to him becoming kage-probably during the war. How old is killerbee?
    2. With kyuubi locked up, fusion with ma and pa should now be possible. This would give naruto access to a whole host of cool moves. Lets hope kishi remembers that.

  62. @darkshinobi

    But in this case the Kyuubi was supplementing Naruto’s chakra. When Naruto uses the kyuubi chakra now, he has to put his own aside.

    The Kyuubi is NOT LOCKED UP any diferently than before, except that Naruto now has access to the Kyuubi’s chakra without asking for it.

  63. @Token, I’m still not buying Madara’s story until he explains. Remember we saw Nagato activate himself for the first time so his story makes absolutely no sense. The only villain that can get away with saying stuff like that and being right is Sousuke Aizen

  64. We saw him activate it but it doesn’t mean much. We’ve seen madara is good with eye transplants already so the thought that he gave nagato his rinnengan at a young age or at infancy is not exactly far fetched.

  65. @ripcord true the variables to the kyubi being sealed and unsealed play a fact, but its fair to say if naruto managed to merge the two then when its was thought or hinted to be impossible. Its safe to say now is also possible even more so than before because naruto can access the kyubi chakra willingly now. Don’t think Kishi would introduce sage mode and kyubi form so close to each other without them combining together in the long run somehow.

  66. Honestly I hope naruto can create a ranged rasengan aside from the rasenshuriken. The rasenshurikan doesn’t seem to be efficient enough (its def powerful though) given that it has to be thrown and is somewhat slower compared to other ranged attacks. He needs a beamed rasengan or even learn flicker techniques to close gaps.

  67. @kisuzachi
    Its time to be an asshole. I call bullshit! At first we wee told that the Rasengan was the Fourth’s jutsu by Jiraiya and he never even alluded to it being incomplete. Then Kakashi came around and said the Fourth intended to add elemental chakra, and now we’re being told it was made from waching Tailed Beast balls? WTF KISHI!? Make up your mind already! Gah this feels like an asspull for the sake of convenience. Well I’m not convinced Kishi, I am not convinced.Whats wiht that??

    The fouth saw the tailed beast using the bomb (as Bee said) and thought that it would be a good jutsu… So he came upp with the rasengan (thus make him the developers of it as Jiyria said) .. And the he tried to develop it with adding elemental chkra ( As kakashi said)
    So every thing is as they said nothing has changed.

  68. Can’t wait to see Kakuzu’s redemption! Always wanted to know more about that beast, maybe he has a soft spot we have never seen lmao. But who’s going to change him?

  69. @Token, for some unfathomable reason I know most of you hate Pain for being a ninja, but wishing the Rinnegan wasnt his is just… idk its wishful thinking. Anyway, here he says his power blossomed within him because of rage and pain. In other words rage and pain caused his power to be created/born. If Madara had transplanted the eyes to him then his parents would know he had the Rinnegan and so would Jiraiya.

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-445/04/
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-445/page005.html

    I posted 2 translations, take from it what you will.

    @eddie, its bad writing. Imagine some guy just showing up in the manga saying that Sakura was really a demon alien from space. It doesn’t conflict with anything in the manga, but a lot of fans would feel cheated. There was no foreshadowing for the Rasengan’s “uses” they just pop up when the plot demands it. Its like the Hogyouku in Bleach. For 200_ chapters everyone thought they knew what it did, but suddenly in one chapter that’s proven to be false and there was no foreshadowing. Many people then called it an asspull and said Kubo sucks, but when Kishi does it its brilliant. *sigh double standards ftw 😦

  70. If madara put the rinnengan in him its possible he could have done it when he wouldnt remember…. im not exactly sure how this changes the fact that madara had no reason to state that he gave pein the rinnengan so the fact he brought it up is kind of too coincedental. Also when something blossoms it has to be in place for it to happen… ur sayin its not possible that madara put the rinnengan or something into him at a infancy (when in fact if its possible to place parts of a tailed beast into a infant I think the possibility of putting the rinnengan or strins of it into someone is not beyond the realm of possibility). Maybe he did it happened to come out at that time. The fact that it was dormant till than doesnt mean that it wasnt ever there… u seem to have a problem with the fact that ur God may very well be just a result of a power crazed villain; ie like i said before madaras biatch.

  71. And how could jiryia possibly know if the rinnengan was placed into him?? He had no interaction with him until after he had already used the rinnengan once.

  72. @ Token I just have to say you are completely right.

    @Kisu, give it up man, apparently nobody cares about Pein any more because we all found out he was a fraud, the power which made him a “God” and feared by everyone or at least the people who knew him was not his own to begin with so he was nothing more than a joke. Minato on the other hand is somebody who is known and feared throughout the entire ninja world. He was the only one to even be able to emulate a bijuu’s power. He no matter how weak you may think he is has managed to shape the future of the entire shinobi world. That’s what makes him great along with his incredible strength, so matter how much you try to boost his image Minato is still the greatest ninja to ever exists so far in my opinion. Every ability you can list of Pein I can think of a way Minato can counter it, from the elemental techniques from a path techniques.

  73. @Token, the Sharingan blossomed from the Uchhas, no? It was in their genes. For all we know what Madara meant was that he set up the circumstances leading to Nagato activating his Rinnegan. You are also disregarding evidence this manga puts out every time someone with a transplanted eye shows up. When a Dojutsu gets transplanted it is ALWAYS active, so you’re telling me that Jiraiya NEVER realized Nagato had the Rinnegan until he showed it to him? If so then you’re saying Jiraiya was crap. Hell, even Nagato’s parents should know.

    @Yellowflash, I respectfully disagree with everything you said. You’re worship of Minato is… you fill in the rest lol

    Think of Star Wars for a minute. Anakin was the most powerful Force Adept in the history of the galaxy. No other being possessed the sheer potential he did. But then we realize that Darth Plagueis used the force to will Anakin’s birth. So in a sense Darth Plagueis created Anakin. Does that take away from Anaking? Nope. Same with Nagato. Madara set up the events leading to Nagato activating the Rinnegan because all evidence pointing to an eye transplant is non-existent. After this I don’t care to reply because none of you have actual evidence supporting Madara’s claim while I have evidence spitting in it’s face.

    Now if you’ll all excuse me, its time to plan my b-day party and watch more zoids! Yarhahaha

  74. sigh theres no use arguing u kisu. u r too far up peins……. u kno what lol. I know its hard to realize that ur favorite ninja was not that important and that his influence has stopped at his death. After all the important ninjas have impacted the story still and yet pein left no legacy… must be a downer.

  75. btw the transplants u refer to is ‘mature’ or fully developed. The rinnengan has been considered to be a mutation… therefore it must mutate from SOMETHING. Its possible that a strain of it or something of the like could have been put into nagato.. but since u obviously wrote this manga there is probably no way that is all plausible….

  76. @Token, ^_- that’s what you thought I thought? Hmm, I see the misunderstanding. Pain’s legacy is Naruto, same with Jiraiya, Minato, Konan, Kushina and Yahiko. Then there’s that Rinnegan still floating around. I ill admit that Nagato was less-than-intelligent in not leaving some kind of trap set on his eyes. And Konan was even dumber to not crush it. She should have take his eyes when he died or destroyed them. Thanks, you just made me come to the conclusion that Konan was holding the Idiot Ball.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotBall

    Its like having a nuke that you can’t protect and won’t use. Instead of letting someone steal it, just blow it up. Anyway, I don’t care that Pin’s dead. It just shows how important he was. Imagine how boring this manga would be if Nagato was alive and was Naruto’s ally. I sure as hell would hate him. Basically he’d make the series really cheap by reviving everyone that died over and over. All sense of drama would be gone. Kishi did the right move in killing him because he’s overpowered.c I used to hate how he died, but after seeing how Sousuke Aizen (another overpowered character) lost, well lets just say Nagato had the most dramatic death in comparison lol.

    You guys need to stop taking Kisu too seriously. Cillax and have fun screwing with each other 🙂

  77. @token, Kakashi is the only ninja that ever said the Rinnegan was a mutation. Everyone (Madara, Jiraiya, Ma and Pa) else thinks its some kinda divine overpowered Dojutsu O_O.

    Now I’m going back to Zoids, see you all later

  78. peins legacy isnt really anything there bud. Naruto is really only minatos and jiryias legacy…. father and mentor. other than that naruto is no ones legacy and pein is left without one…. bound to be forgotten by pretty much everyone cept naruto (which is funny when i think about it cause the so called god wasnt that widespread…. konoha had never even heard of pein till recently and yet even now minatos name draws a response from people… hmm ).

  79. ‘Kakashi is the only ninja that ever said the Rinnegan was a mutation’

    and since when was kakashi not a valuable source of accurate info???

  80. @Token, hmm the fact that Naruto said Pain taught him what pain was, Nagato put all his trust in Naruto and forced him to get stronger…well that sounds like Naruto also being his legacy too. Then there’s Konoha he revived. You just dont want to admit it. That’s a tad childish.

    Kakashi is very reliable, but so is Jiraiya and Pa & Ma. And so far he’s outnumbered so we have to go with majority. Ur being childish now :/

  81. lol everyone naruto has faced has made him stronger. He was gonna have to no matter what…. im sorry I really dont wanna get too worked up over a manga like u seem to be. Lol i enjoy arguments thats really it. U can call me childish but hey im just havin fun with a debate. U can get anal about this but honestly I love minato and wish he was still alive. The fact that his character is still being anazlyzed and looked at is pretty awesome to me given the fact that at the beginning he wasnt mentioned much and yet come to find out he has created a jutsu based off the tailed beasts, foiled tobis plans, took on the 9 tails, saved his village and still had the knowledge and ability to put his own chakra and kushinas into their son so that they could still manage to teach him a couple things. And how even now villagers and allies alike tremble or get excited at the mere mention of minato whether it be by a jutsu or reputation or a story. BTw thougt u were planning ur party and watchin zoids???

  82. @token, ur hatred for Pain is almost as irrational as my hatred for Sasugay. I get that there’s no getting through to you even when I post links so its best I just shut up on this. (You’ll never get through to me until you can back up your claims with pages from the manga, y’know, like I usually do)

  83. Lol nah my hatred for pein is beyond irrational. He is probably one of my least favorite akatsuki members probably cause I just never understood at all what his beef was. His family died yada yada lost his friends so on so forth… im pretty sure he wasnt the first to have that happen nor the last. Characters like that are always near the bottom of my favorite lists. Pein goes down there right with sasuke and madara. I just dont care for the sob stories and for that being the reason for their madness. I hate pein with a passion but honestly its just a manga so irrationality suits me just fine lol dont have to be rational all the time about a fictional crybaby

  84. Back onto the chapter however im slowly getting the impression maybe losing the fodder ninja is a part of kabutos plan. He mentions that hes getting the hang of it now, with the ‘it’ not being so clear as to what it is. Maybe having less souls to worry about will allow him to concentrate on his focus on the hart hitters like itachi, nagato, hanzo, etc. (although im interested to see what nagato can do if he in fact does not have access to the rinnengan given that all we have seen so far is him use the rinnengan abilities). Either that or maybe oro is slowly taking over again and this quick rise to power was a way to show oro that kabuto was worthy of being taken over. Idk just a couple theories as to what Kabuto meant with his comment. Thoughts anyone on this?? Cept for u kisu (lol jk even u i suppose)

  85. Happy birthday, kisuzachi. (In case this thing you said was right.) 🙂

    And don’t quarrel with each other; let’s see if Madara said the truth about Rinnegan and then start arguing. Madara has said many lies, so we have to confirm this statement first.

  86. @Kisu
    Minato made the tech by watching tailed beasts and was planing on putting elemental chakra in it no big deal

    Edo tensei works like this when your are revied you are brought back the way you were when you died with all wounds healed

    Sasori was a contaier when he died all wounds healed would make him a human again

    Kimmimaro died with his curse seal simple no plot holes

    don’t know why you hated sasuke so much it has has been 30 chapters and he only made 1 minor appearnce

  87. Do you guy’s think that naruto’s “tailed beast bomb” will be as awesome as the fox’s? I mean,the fox had black and white energies gathering together, and pulsating around each other in a perfect sphere, and it looked like it could shoot out multple beams at once. No way naruto can pull that off by himself. I don’t think that the Nine-Tails will just sit around in Naruto’s insides to watch its moves get jacked. I hope that the nine-tails will get along with Naruto soon to do the tailed beast some justice.

  88. @kisuzachi Your minato= aizen argument makes me dislike the idea that minato is some godlike know-it-all. It makes me think that minato could be a bad guy. If minato really had everything planned out, then he would be no better than the sleaziest politicians. I don’t have much evidence to back it up but check this out:
    Minato would have married kushina,the reason he became hokage, (according to him) just to get close to the Nine-Tails.
    He would have killed himself along with kushina, not just to give his son a fighting chance to beat madara, but more importantly, to be forever praised as a hero in konoha for saving it from the fox’s rampage, as he is presently.
    Sure, Minato is a calculating thinker, but I think sometimes the overestimation of the man’s smarts might lead some of us to villify him. I don’t want to think of minato as a bad dude.

  89. YEAH! KISU FINALLY 18!!

  90. I’m not too enthusiastic about the bijudama. mean, who has it ever killed lol? Hidan and Kakuzu screwed over the 2 tails when it did it. I’m sure Kisame stomped the Yonbi’s. The three tails fired off multiple ones that didn’t kill anyone. The Bijudama is probably the lames attack a ninja can use. It just travels in a straight line. Any ninja worth his headband should be able to dodge it.

    @token, I like Pain because his story was so f*cked up yet he didn’t come out like Assgay Uchiha. God I hate that guy. I feel like doing a post titled “The Many Reasons Sasugay sucks”. At least Pain wanted to help the world, while this stuck up little bastard wants to see the world burn despite everyone treating him like a freaking prince. He’s spoiled and selfish. GOD I HATE THAT GUY!

    @Woi ai Ni, nice to see you’re still here. Thanks btw

    @Clinton, the CS and Puppet body are both modifications made to the human body so its still a plot hole that one modgot canceled while one is still there. And my problem is that there is no foreshadowing with the Rasengan’s uses. They just pop up out of nowhere. Its bad writing. No, its “convenient” writing. Kishi is rushing and slipping up.

    @Naruto Tutor, dont worry, Kubo got his just deserts for being so lazy this past year. Bleach’s sales have fallen to #5 in Japan. Anyway, only Aizen can pull off a plan like that and make it seem believable. Plus aizen himself is a walking meme, like Chuck Norris. Here are a few of his memes:

    1. “Since when were you under the impression that…?”
    2. “Just as planned”
    3. “Now they stand a chance”
    4. “Taco Aizen”

    Until Minato gets a few memes he can’t pull of an Aizen 🙂

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2010

  91. Rock Lee gets his own manga now lol

    http://mangastream.com/read/rock_lee/15083938/1

  92. Again an impostor!!!! Look to the gravitar.

    @kisu

    Well, the bijuu “bomb” almost killed Suigetsu, it would have if his teammates hadn’t rescued him. Of course, he WAS able to withstand it point blank, so that probably says it isn’t all that strong, he should have been obliterated…

  93. @ripcord, seriously he should have been vaporized. If that had happened my faith in the Biju would have been restored. After Akatsuki the Biju lost a lot of standing on the “power scale”. Shukaku not pwning Gamabunta was even worse. :/ Seems you’re quite the popular guy, having so many impersonators 🙂

  94. To the bijuu bomb weapon is only as strong as one who is using it.( or in some cases as Kishi will make it). We can use the same explanation on Shuhaku and bijus are basically not rly good strategist and they are using just their pure strenght. Don’t be suprised then that it lost to Gamabunta.

    To that Minato think I think he invented rasengan for kushina purpose and he shown it to Jiraya. That’s all.

    Looking forward to next chapter. Good analysis as usual Bob.

  95. Happy Belated Birthday! Kisu, wow we have the same birthday.

  96. @Lord Hyuga,nah today, December 5th is my birthday 😀

    @Everyone, check out Lee’s new manga lol

    http://mangastream.com/read/rock_lee/15083938/1

  97. A lot of people have been wondering how kakuzu is going to open up, and show his weakness.It’s true that kakuzu doesn’t have as much of a backstory when compared to most of the other members of akatsuki; I think I have a theory to explain his major flaws, though.
    Maybe kakuzu’s weak point can br tied to money and self-worth. In life, he was always fixated on the idea that ninjas can be bought for a price. In the anime, he was like a mercenary. He tool out ninja with a high price on their heads. When he was fighting against sikamaru’s team, kakuzu remarked that shikamaru would fetch a high price for his intelligence if he planned to let him live long enough.Maybe kakuzu has to learn that money doesn’t decide a ninja’s value, its his or her heart.
    Even at that, you could say that just grabbing a ninja’s heart doesn’t mean you know what a ninja’s values are, either. Kakuzu has had up to five hearts at one time, but I don’t hink he tried to understand any of them, not even his own. Kakuzu used all of his captured hearts for their elemental affinities. While each heart could produce devasting element attacks, most of them were purely based on one chakra nature. Kakuzu’s fire heary creature just spit hot flames; his wind creature just blew strong winds. Apart from maybe, his own water heart, none of kakuzu’s elemental attacks were shaped in any way.
    Kakashi once told Naruto that most jonin could control a nature chakra beyond their affinity after years of trainning. IThe irony that a ninja as old andwise as kakuzu would seem so childish as to not appreciate and nurture his own heart is fascinating. Kakuzu could have worked hard and learned two maybe three more chakra natures on his own by the time of his death. Instead he took the easy way out and tried to make that a number of different hearts his own.
    The greediness in kakuzu’s heart is probably the thing that ties him to his body now. His love for money drove him to think of conflicts among ninja as nothing more than a chance for a big payday.His lust for power drove him to take other people’s hearts. He never took the time to assess the heart’s true value. Someone is going to have to remind kakuzu of what his own heart is able too do, like what happened between kankuro and sasaori. I have no idea who that person will be. It’s complicated, but kishi made kakuzu a complicated character by not explainning his story the first time he died. Kakuzu’s encounters with the shinnobi army should be interesting.His beliefs will cause him an even quicker downfall because he like, the everyone else summoned by ET is already dead and not supposed to exist here.
    The way to dealing with the group from the third shippudden movie is still a mystery to me, but let that be a problem for someone else to fix. I’m taking a break.

  98. I wondering when Madara plans to make any moves towards Naruto.Is he really going to leave him up to Sasuke.We’ve seen how uneffective his biju capturing skills are.(Killer bee,epic fail).I really hope Kabumaru doesn’t kill Anko.

  99. @Naruto tutor, Kakuzu’s weakness lies in his backstory. He was a skilled ninja of Takigakure and was sent to assassinate Hashirama Senju. He failed and the whole village turned on him because of it, so he killed the Village and stole Takigakure’s most forbidden jutsu (Earth Grudge Fear) and left.

  100. I meant, he killed the Village Elders, stole their hearts and stole Takigakure’s most forbidden jutsu (Earth Grudge Fear) and left.

    Its sad his village wanted to imprison him and treated him harshly because he failed to kill a guy that was commanding multiple Biju at the time.

  101. @Rate1

    I don’t think Tobi really thought Sasuke would capture the 8-tails, it was to pit him against a foe that would stretch his limits so his MS would advance quickly. That is the same reason he unleashed Sasuke at the summit, so Sasuke would go blind quickly.

    About my popularity Kisu: it’s just that the haters can’t argue like you & I can, so they take cheap shots.

  102. But why have him fight Naruto next?Whats the point of it.I doubt it some trivial reason like wanting to see who’s stronger,senju or uchiha.

  103. @ Kisuzachi

    Yes, I’m always here and read everything, even if I don’t often comment. Thank you. 🙂

    Happy birthday! Every wish of you may come true. 18 years old is one of the best ages. You are allowed to do a lot of things now! 😀

  104. i too read every week but don’t comment often, when i looked today all i saw was sosuke aizen this and sosuke aizen that, shit i thought this was a naruto blog. but if u want to jack aizen off then here is a bleach site http://www.bleachedichigo.com/, this is naruto.
    on this arc, i love the direction in which this manga is going,everything that itachi fought to prevent is now coming to pass irregardless of his best efforts. and for some reason i don’t think that the cloud village should be trusted, i mean how in the hell did they know that deidera could be neutralized by lightning, thats just me though, i love the way things are progressing, and another thing, is it me or does it seem like naruto is learning all of his jutsus backwards. lol, i think the rasengan was suppose to be the last jutsu he was to master, i mean learn kyuubi, then sage , then rasengan. just thinking out loud. later guys.

  105. Good insight Bob-sama

  106. @kisu
    congrats on your b-day, go hit up a strip club now, what is that forbidden jutsu you were talking about, earth grudge fear

  107. Happy 18th B-day Kisu, you are now technically an adult but don’t let that stop you from enjoying Naruto and other manga for years to come 🙂

  108. Nice chapter, I no longer care that the fights is shorter due to edo tensei’s weak spot. I think the other fights coming up will definitely be more interesting. Maybe Minato and Bee faught when Kushina was kidnapped by the cloud village, I can’t think of any other way that Minato was able to mimic the beast bomb. Happy related b-day to Kisu!

    Peace

    Peace

  109. its like in DotA, naruto develops through level up of skills, while sasuke power up through improvement of items…naruto learns through experience and training, while sauke improves through cursed seal and lots of medicine from orochimaru, MS from itachi and now EMS for getting the eyes of itachi himself….hayyyyyy

  110. 1. Bijuu strength is almost bs overrated bs people’s estimation of minato.
    2. Pein could cause catastrophic damage, had the power to give and take life. He is the most godlike character we have seen fight. Madara greatest power is his ability to manipulate. I highly doubt he transplanted some random eyes that for some reason he know were the mythical rinnegan. And even if he did, it still took the greatness of nagato to create the awesomeness of pein

  111. @madzikage, well said!

    @bob, no way I’m quitting Naruto. It already ate most of my teenage years 😀

    @rj, so basically Sasuke gets stronger through drugs and taking gifts from strangers. Nice message to your child readers Kishi >_>

    @Profess, yeah it was the Earth Grudge Fear.

    Oh yeah, if Naruto ever becomes Hokage this is how he’ll look. This was released in last year’s artbook (the same book that released the art of all Bijus)

    http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/Cruherrx/Hokage_Naruto_by_kurouku.png?t=1291636563

    Oh and this one’s just for fun. 🙂

    http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/Cruherrx/abridged-11.png?t=1291636945

  112. SO you think Negato Created all those Jutsu’s then? or where they already installed into his eyes before he was given them? And where did Madara get them from IF he had them to give to Nagato? Well it seems Madara is more powerful then Negato now that he has also the Sharingan with the warp technique!

  113. @mattmaru

    It isn’t so much that Nagato created those jutsus, I think it’s just like Sasuke didn’t create Amaterasu, he just “knew” how to use it once his body satisfied certain conditions. The same is for Nagato and the Rin’negan and all those jutsu, although like Sasuke, it probably took Nagato some practice before he was good at using them.

    Also, about the Rin’negan being more powerful than the tailed beasts, we already knew that because the Sage Six Paths defeated and contained the most powerful one of them all.

  114. I think when Madara triggered the AMaterasu that was when Sasuke new how to use it as he must of known the feeling it gave him and it started from there! i guess its the Same with the rinnengan! negato must of felt or sore how to mold the chakra into those jutsu’s after a certain requirement was met! It would be good to see i totally new Technique for Naruto to create! he created the Rasenshuriken but it was only through the guide lines of his Father who tried to create that himself!

    What is interesting but totally irrelevent is i wonder what Element Minato inheritted and Kushina for that matter? possibly wind! I think it would be good if one of them had water too and Naruto eventually inhertted Water element!

  115. @Mattmaru, in the anime Nagato first used Shinra Tensei when him, Yahiko and Konan were gonna get blown off a cliff by an explosive tag while they were looking for the Sanin. Since it doesn’t contradict the manga, it was that moment he first used the most versatile jutsu (well second most, Hiraishin can do just about anything)

  116. Dies this chapter mean that we finally know what “that” jutsu is?

  117. @Naruto Tutor

    I am pretty sure “that” jutsu always pertained to a full transformation into the 9-tails. Naruto needs full access to the 9-tails chakra for that (which is what the Toad Key Scroll was for).

  118. @ripcord So what you’re saying is that minato intended for naruto and the nine-tails to work together like kb and the eight-tails.I didn’t see that from minato’s interactions with the nine-tails. Maybe he is saying to his son ‘”do as i say not as i do” in order to rise above hatred and all that. but he would still need the toad key scroll to access the fox’s yang chakra and transform into the beast. Then once he and the fox are on the same page they could use the tailed beast bomb. That’s why I think the tailed beast bomb is the jutsu jiraiya was referring to when he was talking to the the Toad Scroll Key.

  119. Nice, kizuzachi!You’re a whole year older now! I’m happy for ya, dude!

  120. @ripcord: correct me if i’m wrong, but wasn’t naruto told not to use ‘that jutsu’ at the start of shipuuden. This means its something he practised but maybe didn’t perfect.
    Additionally i highly doubt minato had such foresight. kushina perhaps. I mean that flashback showed that he made terrible judgement calls. But that’s not an argument for today.

  121. @madzikage

    Yes, it was something he practiced in a sense. Jiraiya told Naruto not to use the 9-tails chakra, which is because Jiraiya almost died when he tried to teach Naruto to access 100% of it.

  122. My friend and I got into a little Naruto debate. It was about who really was closest to Naruto in terms of; upbringing, choices, motivation and potential. Needless to say, there were only two real choices, no not Sasugay, Gaara and Nagato. Both are/were basically, the real Dark Naruto.

    Gaara and Naruto both wanted to be the leaders of their villages (Naruto since Part 1 and Gaara in the 3 year period that separates the manga), while Nagato inherited Yahiko’s dream of being god of the world. t point to Gaara

    Gaara, Naruto and Nagato all had powers capable of changing the world (Ichibi, Kyubi and Rinnegan). 1 point to Gaara and Nagato each.

    Both Gaara and Naruto’s fathers were the 4th Kage of their respective village. Nagato’s parents weren’t extraordinary. 1 point to Gaara.

    Nagato and Naruto were both trained by and thought of Jiraiya as a father. Gaara got trained by Baki (lol). 1 point to Nagato

    Nagato, Naruto and Gaara have the power to make people believe in and follow them. Naruto does this through beating they daylights out of you, Nagato does this by virtue of being MUCH stronger than you and Gaara does it with speeches. three different approaches yielding the same result. 1 point to both Gaara and Nagato

    Together Naruto and Nagato are the children of prophecy. Gaara’s just some ginger kid. Point to Nagato

    Gaara and Naruto grew up being ostracized by their villages while people just couldn’t bother with Nagato and his friends because it was a time of scarce resources, they weren’t necessarily hated (except by the people they stole from lol). 1 point to Gaara.

    Nagato, Gaara and Naruto share the same goal, world peace. 1 point to Nagato and Gaara

    Those were our points, so its a stalemate. Anyone wanna contribute to a side?

    @Naruto Tutor, THANKS DUDE!

  123. This chapter spiked my interest, but not enough for me to say much more than:

    Deidara, nuuu!

  124. NARU! U aren’t as dead as i thought u were >_>

  125. what is this jutsu earth grudge fear

  126. At kisu isn’t gara the same age of naruto if so then point for him haha

  127. Nagato grew up an orphan, just like Naruto. Point for Nagato.

  128. @Profess: it kakazu’s main technique, where he’s pretty much made of threads:
    naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Grudge_Fear
    @kisu: i think that its more a situation of them both being who naruto could have turned out to be. One as a jinjuuriki and the other as a chosen one. Naruto is consequently like them both, but he had the advantage of forming bonds which allowed him to turn out okay.

  129. I always wondered why Jaraiya waited so long before meeting and or training naruto.

  130. @Rate1

    Your question could be made more general as to why no one tried to train Naruto or care for him, although the big answer to that is that the 3rd Hokage didn’t want anyone to know Naruto was special, to have him “fly under the radar” so to speak.

    As to Jiraiya’s part, he was always a wanderer, never staying in one place once he grew up, with one exception. He cared for Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan because there was no one else. Jiraiya later admitted he was near Konoha during the chuunin exams because he was watching Orochimaru (he admits this to Tsunade indirectly right before he leaves to fight Pain), so his meeting with Naruto was probably a chance meeting.

    At that point though, Jiraiya probably decided it was best to start training Naruto in how to use the Kyuubi since he was older. That’s the best I have.

  131. Kishi needs to get his priorities straight. I was re-watching the anime, and the sole reason Akatsuki was hunting Oro was because he still had his Akatsuki ring. Then Deidara paid great attention to finding his lost arm because it still had the ring on it. Then come Hidan and Kakuzu… after they die (and get incapacitated) the rings completely lose value. What made the rings so special? Why did Akatsuki waste resources just to find Oro and get their ring back? Forgotten plot element, that’s what it is. All of this has been overshadowed by Hashirama and the freaking Uchiha. Sometimes I wonder how this manga would’ve gone if Kishi’s editor had just let Kishi write the manga how he wanted to, without Sasugay.

  132. woohoo, lets keep this game going.

    Gaara is the same weight as Naruto (50.9kg). Point for Gaara 😀

  133. Both Naruto’s and Gaara’s Mother’s died the day of their their birth. One point for both, I guess. 😦
    Naruto was ignored as a kid, Gaara had a price on his head as a toddler and live to tell about it. Point Gaara.
    Gaara is General of the Joint Shinobi army, Nagato is undead, Naruto is clueless about everything. Point for Gaara.
    Gaara is a Kage, duh! Naruto is a powerhouse, while still technically a Genin, Nagato founder of Akatsuki. Point for everyone.

  134. Naruto & Nagato both have teammates that are not related to them. Point to Nagato

  135. Gaara and Naruto at one point are another were very fixated on Sasugay. Point for Gaara

    @John, you have to point out similarities that Nagato and Gaara share with Naruto.

  136. To the victors come the “spoils of war:”

    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66039

    Read up!

  137. I was just thinking that many if not most of the techniques in the naruverse could have been inspired by bijuu. Individual techniques like gaara’s ultimate shikaku shield and a few distinct ninja arts like bubble and lava may not have ever existed without the tailed beasts.
    One reason I liked this chapter is that it shows one of the few looks into the history of a technique. We know why the fourth bothered to make the rasengan in the first place now. Before that we learned that it still needed development by the fourth and in part 1, when resengan was first intriduce we learned how it worked. Usually, in Naruto we get all excited when we learn more about our favorite characters,(My favorite would probably be kakashi.) however I think its also very interesting to learn more about the various techiniques used in Naruto’s world. Besides, rasengan, I want to learn more about the history of chidori. I know he created it because he couldn’t mo;d lightning chakra into the rasengan, but I want to why a electrified jab seemed more appropriate.Maybe he just needed to let out some anger issues. The point is, now that kishi has deepened the conversation about one jutsu, I hope more are on the way, especially when it comes to EdoTensei.
    What are some of your favorite jutsus? Do you have any idea as to why that character would need to invent them?

  138. I liked it better when naruto just knew sage mode. Now his techniques are getting a little out of hand with his new form and such. I would rather only see him master minato’s technique for the sake of keeping things simple.

  139. @kisuzachi

    I always thought that the rings were for extracting the bijuu from their hosts. With hidan and kakuzu being dead, theres no need for their rings since they werent replaced. They may have wanted orochimaru’s ring for the purpose of giving it to a new member

  140. @JJ, so why not take Hidan and Kakuzu’s rings and give it to someone else. The fact is we were NEVER told the significance of the rings. All we knew is that Akatsuki was after Oro only because he had the ring, Deidara looked for his arm mostly because it had a ring and Zetsu at people to retrieve the rings. But all plot has taken a back seat to the Uchihas. Whoopdy-fracking-do

  141. @kisu
    @JJ

    I second that about the rings, I believe they are necessary for the synching with Gedo Mazo and the chakra donation to the statue. Funny when you look into it though, the original Akatuski had 9 members! and so when Orochimaru was replaced they just gave the 10th ring to Deidra. Kinda odd isn’t it? I would have thought there would have meant to be 10 members.

  142. @kisu
    Well im guessing that they didn’t give the rings to somebody else because it’s not exactly easy to find S ranked criminals who are willing to dedicate their lives to your cause. It makes sense and fits into the plot. There was no urgent need to retrieve hidan and kakuzu’s rings for the reason I just stated and im not even sure it would be possible to get them back after Naruto shitted on kakuzu with the rasenshuriken, probably destroying the stainless steel on his finger, and hidan is currently in a pit swallowing dirt while being baby sat by the nara clan.
    The evidence points to my poorly organized theory. Even if Kishi dropped the ball when it came to explaining the purpose of the rings.

    Or maybe he didnt forget at all… 0_0

  143. @ripcord

    It would make sense to have ten members since the statue (Gedo Mazu was it?) has ten fingers. Meaning one member and one ring for each finger.

  144. can’t wait for hidan to come back,

  145. @JJ, for now I say the Uchiha are ruining the plot. I for one only remembered the Akatsuki rings because it was brought up on a different site, then I went back and re-watched the episodes and they were right.

    “The Akatsuki rings. Great pain was taken to draw attention to their significance, it being the main reason Akatsuki was after Orochimaru and Deidara was falling all over himself to get his back. A few hundred chapters later, not a single mention of them is made and with multiple other members killed without their rings being recovered, combined with the Plot Tumor that is the Uchiha clan, their significance will probably never be explored. ”

    Besides, Pain had the perfect opportunity to recover both Hidan and Kakuzu’s rings when he invaded Konoha. At one point he was about to leave for Myobokuzan even though he would have had no opposition in getting the rings back and Akatsuki was in no real rush (Madara only started rushing after Nagato died). The rings have taken the back seat to the Senju-Uchiha lovefest that nearly made me quit the manga 5 weeks ago :/

  146. @ripcord, the strange thing is Kishi still hasn’t said what the rings do. We can’t assume that they are connected to Gedo Mazo either because its being used without them being around. If the rings really contributed then they would’ve been trying to get them back.

  147. @kisu
    I’m still stickin to my theory since thats the most logical answer I can think of at this point. Pain didn’t get the rings because he didn’t need them. There were only like 4 or 5 members left to extract the bijuu. But I will admit it would have been nice to have some sort of damn confirmation from kishi and the Uchihas did push everything to the back seat. But i’ll admit that it makes the story line more interesting. Im tired of all this cheezy bullshit with Naruto getting ricockulously strong and pulling new techs out his ass. I honestly dont even know all of them anymore. Hes pulling a Sasuke, but thats off topic..

    Can you link me to or tell me where you found out that Pain (or Pein, i dunno) planned to go to mt. Myoboku? I just rewatched that arc and the one before it and I missed it =/

  148. @JJ, http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-428/17/ – here he finds Naruto’s location

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-429/ – at this point he was about to leave to go there but ended up blasting Konoha because Tsunade couldn’t keep her mouth shut.

    Anyway, my point about the rings is that Kishi has spent so much time focusing on the Uchiha-Senju love nest that he’s forgotten about the other plots. And as for the Uchiha making the story interesting, they do anything but. Think of just how more epic this would’ve been if all the Villages were fighting each other in an all-out war, instead they’re basically fighting the Uchiha clan.

    Sasuke is a horribly written character that got too much screen time. But it speaks for Kishi’s writing ability that he has allowed Sasuke to have some fans despite not originally intending for him to be in this series (read one of my I hate Sasuke rants above). Madara is a boring one-dimensional villain-sue. Always one step ahead and can’t be beat. What’s his goal? You guessed it, world domination.

    “OF COURSE!”

    Sasuke and the Uchiha clan are an epic fail imitation of Vegeta and the Saiyan race. One similarity here is that Kishi asspulled their significance in Part 2 of the manga (there was ZERO foreshadowing) and Toriyama asspulled the Saiyans into the series in Part 2 Dragonball. What makes the Saiyans work however is that after the Frieza Arc they aren’t a central element anymore and fall to the wayside. The Uchihas just get more prominent over time even though they’re all dead(!) and its annoying. Sharingan this Sharingan that. Danzo even had a Sharingarm

    Anyway, what you said still doesn’t make any sense out of this because they hunted Orochimaru when they only had 9 members and still extracted a Biju before Gaara. What this means is they don’t care about the number of members, they just care about having all the rings. It also means they don’t need the rings for extraction since they do it anyway with many members dead. It just a forgotten plot. No need to try to explain it away, its Kishi’s job to do that.

    Rant over.

  149. What if the position of the rings correspond to each akatsuki members on the fingers of the gedo mazo statue? Madara might still need ten people to be synched up to Gedo Mazo in order to extract the remaining tailed beast spirits from their hosts.

    Hey, if madara actually had the nine-tails 16 years ago, 1) how did he get it out of kushina and 2) why didn’t he just take it then to complete his moon’s eye plan?That doesn’t make sense.This seems like one of madara’s many half-truths to me or at least another one of kishi’s plotholes.

  150. Can someone post the link for the last Naruto movie? Thanks.

  151. Everybody let’s ignore Kisu’s crazy speculative rants.

  152. The fourth shippuden movie is out already?

  153. Kisu the uchiha and Sasuke have hardley appeared for 30 chapters other then shedding some light on Madara who is an uchiha by last name only

  154. This manga is slightly different than dbz given that two of the main characters r from two completely different clans (senju and uchiha) vs both goku and vegeta being super saiyans. Also I dont really mind the uchiha that much.. they obviously had to be important considering the leaf ordered for them to be exterminated. Dont see the leaf doing that for the hyuuga clan or any others for that matter so shows just how important the uchiha were/are to the story. From the start the uchiha have been prominent in the story so dont see why that importance should be stopped anytime soon given two of the the most powerful current ninja r either senju or uchiha.

  155. for specifics the uchiha have been prominent from the beginning seeing as how sasuke has been a vital part of this manga from the start even foreshadowing what exactly happened to the uchiha clan given that he was soulbent on revenge (at the time we didnt know what but it was always mentioned so figured it had to be important). I think Kishi has done a good job of the foreshadowing of the uchiha clan and how intertwined they r to the leafs fore fathers

  156. good point token 🙂

  157. @kisu

    Didn’t someone say that the extraction of the 8-tails was going to take a long time because they didn’t have a lot of members left in Akatsuki? I would argue that one of the rings (that pertains to a finger on the statue) is necessary to sync with the statue, BUT all of the rings are not necessary for the extraction. Perhaps Tobi figured it was a waste of resources to hurry up and get the rings back if he wasn’t planning on adding members to Akatsuki.

    My point from earlier though was that if you count Orochimaru, there are 10 total members of Akatsuki… so I just wonder if they were ALWAYS intending on recruiting one more, i.e Deidra so that they would have 10. I was under the impression that Deidra was Oro’s replacement, which doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    I could see the rings as going unexplained… but there are a lot of things I expect to end that way, like why oh WHY does Kakashi wear a mask!

  158. @Clinton, the Uchihas are everywhere. They’re out to get us I tell you! Seriously though, the whole plot has been hijacked by the Uchihas.

    @ripcord, Kakashi wears a mask because if he ever takes it off lots of people will be disappointed 😛

    @token, in Part 1 all we knew was the Uchiha clan all got killed. This all feels like an asspull. How do I identify asspulls you ask? Simple, I read Bleach. I know Kishi’s awesome, but all of this is an asspull. In Part 1 we would ask “Wtf is a Senju?”. There wasn’t even a hint that Uchihas hated everyone. For the most part they seemed like dedicated policemen (well Fugaku was kind of a jerkass.

    @Naruto Tutor, the movie was released on July 31st. I doubt its on the internet subbed yet though. But if I were a Minato fanboy I’d never watch that movie. There’s no doubt in my mind its gonna bastardize the Fourth.

    @yellowflash, that would be best I suppose. Some things I just need to say. I read Bleach, One Piece and Naruto. One Piece is chocked full of foreshadowing. When something is revealed you’re like “How the hell did I miss that!? Awesome!”. In Bleach when something new happens the fandom is like “Dammit Kubo! You trolled us again!”. All the revelations since chapter 396 in Naruto have been “Oh, that’s cool.”, despite Kishi doing the exact same thing Kubo’s been doing for a while, revelations with zero foreshadowing (the spiral on the Konoha uniforms with the Uzumakis was good though).

    @everyone, forget the rings. That’s basically what Kishi wants us to do since they’ll never be brought up ever again 🙂

  159. i like how in the rock lee manga kakashi wears a mask to hide his perverted nose bleed from reading those make out books jaraiya wrote

  160. @kisu I wont forget about the rings. I already read your rants about the Uchihas. Whats important is that when the Akatsuki hunted Orochimaru for his ring they had 9 members. They could have 10 members but that would require 10 rings but Orochimaru had the last one. If they have 10 members trying to extract bijuu intstead of 9, it’s faster. You really can’t deny the theory since it’s so logical and obviously makes sense. Its the only real explanation until you come up with a better one.

  161. It may be Kishi’s job to explain the rings but I thought the whole point of this was to discuss the manga including theories..

  162. @Profess, Kakashi was in the rock Lee manga? I didn’t even notice. Now I gotta re-read that

  163. http://mangastream.com/read/rock_lee/82627681/12

    Ok I guess we have our answer about Kakashi’s mask now! ROFLMAO

  164. where is this weeks chapter

  165. @choppa and everyone else 520 is out on mangastream now. You can access it through the “manga directory”
    This chapter is all about the mechanics of Edo Tensei. It’s interesting and outrageous all at the same time!!!

  166. I was wrong. It really doesn’t matter what the conditions of the souls were in when they died. to be summoned, they just have to be in the right place, more or less.

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