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Naruto Chapter 477 – ZOMG! It’s Itachi-san!

naruto-retro1Post Author: Bob

Hey now, this was a surprise, I really wasn’t expecting chapter 477 to come out this week since the buzz that week was that it would be out in two weeks. I was looking forward to a break from blogging over Christmas too, but if Kishi doesn’t take a break from pumping these chapter out I guess neither can I stop posting about them. Since it’s Christmas Eve and all, I’m sure most people will be busy (myself included) so I’ll try to keep this one short and prevent myself from going off on my usual rants.

I’ll skip the formalities and jump to the big upset in this chapter: the Return of Itachi. I’m sure Itachi fans must have been pulling their hair out and doing flips off the walls when they saw the last page of chapter 477. I’m usually not in support of bringing back dead characters, in any form, but Itachi deserves an exception. One of the reasons is that there’s no way he’d just let his little brother fall into the hands of Madara; like what Minato did for Naruto, Itachi has also done for Sasuke. It’s very unlikely that this is a full resurrection of Itachi, so we’re left with a couple of options on what he is.

  1. Like with the Amaterasu, this is another ‘gift’ left by Itachi to protect Sasuke. Perhaps Itachi had predicted that Sasuke would encounter Danzo after his death and was even aware of Danzo’s Sharingan abilities. He then planted this trigger if ever Sasuke and Danzo fought.
  2. This Itachi is part of a Tsukoyomi genjutsu set up by Sasuke to catch Danzo off guard. Observe Sasuke on page 16, he definitely looks like he was triggering something when he was staring at Danzo with his Mangekyou Sharingans. Sasuke has experienced Itachi’s Tsukoyomi effects plenty of times to copy them and simulate them as if the real slim shady was present. Itachi would also be a pretty useful psychological weapon to use against Danzo, besides Sasuke probably knows too little about Danzo to use someone else’s likeness.
  3. This is a genjutsu (possibly Tsukoyomi) set up by Madara to give a hand to Sasuke. Maybe he observed something interested regarding Danzo’s techniques and wanted to test him out himself. This option is least likely to occur as it is rare for Madara to lend a hand in battle especially when it isn’t certain Sasuke will lose yet.


Danzo used quite a few Fuuton techniques this chapter, so even though I don’t want to make the comparison, he probably shares the same Wind element chakra that Naruto has. As for an explanation on Danzo’s jutsu that keeps bringing him back to life, it’s still up in the air — though we get a few more hints in this chapter. It certainly is not your normal clone business or else Sasuke’s Sharingans or Karin’s senses would have detected it already. And it doesn’t look to be genjutsu as Karin said in this chapter that she hasn’t detected any chakra imbalance in Sasuke or herself. So is it the real Danzo that keeps getting crushed, burnt and sliced by Sasuke yet returns back to normal every time? I was thinking it could be a space-time jutsu ability much like Madara’s own, but Danzo is clearly being physically damaged by Sasuke’s attack every time — he just reappears like nothing happened. Madara seemed to have noticed something when Danzo grabbed Sasuke’s throat on page 13, was he just surprised at Danzo’s speed or was it something else? What Karin observed about Danzo is the most revealing. First, she sees one of the eyes on Danzo’s arm close on page 10; this suggests a limit on how much Danzo can use his Sharingans. Perhaps an eye closes every time Danzo uses a Sharingan ability or maybe every time he is miraculous resurrected. The other observation Karin makes is on page 14-15 after Danzo’s arm gets cut off. Not only are the eyes closing one by one, but the entire arm just fades away. I really want to call it a space-time jutsu, but seeing as none of Danzo’s Sharingans are the Mangekyou variety, is this even possible?

Sasuke summons a hawk, how appropriate.

Hmm, even though I said this week’s post would be short, it kind of got pretty long anyways :p Anyways, I don’t expect a lot discussion since it’s the holidays so take it easy 🙂

115 Responses

  1. what site did you go on for the chap? it’s not on OM yet o.O

  2. mangastream

  3. man…since Itachi is back once more, hopfully we can see some new Itachi’s jutsu. And thats cool sasuke got his own summon(hawlk)..like naruto(toad)

  4. If itachi is alive and fine that would be the greatest christmas miracle ever.

    He is my Fav character and that would just be “uber kewl”

  5. Kishi has stated in an interview that Itachi will re-appear, but not as an alive person. I think that this is (one of) the occasion(s) and of course we will probably see him in other characters’ memories.

    This is the interview, it has some events that had already happened, but the rest of it is interesting.
    I put some spaces in the link, so that the video won’t appear in my comment. I hope it will work! You can just erase them.

    ht tp:// w w w. youtube. com/ watch? v=-Xtww1Q52vU

  6. Mmm, yeah, it’s turnin’ out to be a nice X-mas this year. All top 3 mangas just published the chapter of the year.
    1st I think Itachi is definitely Sasuke’s illusion, since Sasuke doesn’t look the least bit shocked after seeing him.
    2nd Danzo’s technique reminds me of Hawkins’ technique (a One Piece character). When Hawkins got injured all the damage was transfered to other people by the use of voodoo dolls. After Danzo gets damaged, one of his sharingans closes, so i suppose it’s a similar technique, where Danzo’s sharingans act as mediums to transfer damage to random people somewhere else.

  7. i think danzo only reappear/ressurect to the place where one of his sharingan eyes look then after using it, the eye that he used closes. so that means his resurrecting ability is limited to the number of eyes that he has. tha’ts waht i think.

  8. wow awesome i never expected a chapter for x-mas, and this is even better than a ps3 XDXD
    few notes:
    danzou’s jutsu that he once used(i can’t remembe against who) was really a rare fuuton. so he is one of the rare fuuton user
    sasuke’s new summon is awesome, so he really transormed from a snake into a hawk XD
    sasuke is turnig more and more into a second itachi. maybe that is kishmoto’s way of saying i’m sorry i killed itachi XDXD
    sasuke’s eye turned kinda black on page 16
    and last i think it is one more thing itachi put into sasuke to encouter his enemies…
    very merry chrismas to everyoneXD

  9. id like to point out on page 14 just before danzo grbs sasuke by the throat you see madara but this time you actually see his sharingan. i think that is a good signal to the fact that madara just did something. what i dont know but i suspect it has something to do with itachi.

    lets also not forget that madara and the peapod guy took itachi’s corpse with them, perhaps the switched out his eays with another uchiha’s and he someone managed to come back to life

    or more likely madara is controlling the body of itachi though some puppet jutsu. similar in the way the sand village kage was used as a puppet. if you remember the kage’s abilities were actually able to be used by sasori, perhaps this is what madara is doing.

  10. i have a theory on Danzo’s revivals, he said himself that he had some deal w/ Orochimaru, maybe it’s a similar jutsu to Oro’s and he’s somhow able to summon the previous owners of the Sharingans to take the fall. but this is just a theory

  11. “seeing as none of Danzo’s Sharingans are the Mangekyou variety, is this even possible?” my theory is that it is a space/time jutsu 1. Madara never used MS when using his space/time jutsu and 2. Minato never even had a sharingan but was still able to use space/time jutsu. Danzo’s arm lose reminds me of madara cutting off his own arm.

    I think Itachi is like his amatseru trick used on Madara but with tsukyoumi in order to own Danzo, because danzo seems impervious to physical damage.

    I’m also interested in where sasuke got his summon and if the snakes voided their contract with him.

    Merry christmass, as of Monday I will be gone until the third (possibly no Internet)

  12. Merry Christmas everyone!

    I think that Itachi came back with your first option. Anyways, Danzou is getting more and more awesome with every passing page 😛 (Sorry, Danzou’s my favourite Naruto character)

    Danzou’s abilities are unusual, as Karin can sense any change in chakra. But, there’s none. What really interested me this chapter was that he can regrow body parts. That’s got to be something that goes along with his Maybe-Space/Time-Jutsu that allows him to like never die.

    I have an interesting theory that has been through Shannaro about 2 times. Danzo is an Uchiha (Not Madara, obviously :P) But, he never awakened his Sharingan. He might have been shoved out of the Uchiha. So, when he learned that Shisui (Is that his name?) had been murdered, he had to get it to be accepted into the Uchiha Clan again. But, he wasn’t accepted. So, he decided that they needed to die. So, he suggested that the Uchiha be massacred.

    Now, to the current storyline. Danzou’s entrusted Itachi with this information, but, Itachi betrayed him and Madara told Sasuke of what really happen. Obviously, Danzou now knows this and wants Sasuke and Madara dead so they may never tell anyone this dark secret.

    Well, that’s my theory. Please tell me if this is believable. It’s kind of confusing.

    Now, to the discussions…

    @ Mart

    Nagato had more than one summoned creature. Although, those too were dead bodies reanimated by the chakra piercings. But, the Hawk fits with his Team (Taka). I wonder why Madara would be shocked. He’s been with Sasuke since the Itachi vs. Sasuke Fight. And didn’t Sasuke use snakes in that fight?

    @JPUA

    Danzou did have a deal with Oro. He also needed Kabuto since he was Oro’s right hand slave. On Page 17 of Chapter 454, he tells the three Anbu (Fuu, Torune, and that one that we met when we met Sai) that Kabuto possesses all of Oro’s research data. He also thinks to himself that Kabuto might know what his connection is with Oro. I think that Oro experimented on Danzou’s arm and turned into a Sharingan arm. The only problem with this is that Oro wanted the Sharingan, why would he give like 6 to Danzou?

    @BoK

    That’s a good theory. You’ll have to see if it’s true in the next chapter. (I’m talking about the Madara summoning Itachi with his Sharingan.

    @ Aoi Nara

    Donzou used that Wond Element Jutsu on the Grass Assasins.

    @ NastyEyes

    I don’t think Itachi can use Jutsu. It’s just an illusion (possibly)

    Wow, I think this is my longest comment ever!

    YAY!!!

  13. Itachi gave something to naruto back in the day, represented by a crow, hoping ” not to be used in the future” and then just after nauto faints, itachi makes an appearance sorrounded by crows.

    I guess this is some special gentsutsu, but who knows

  14. OMG! ITACHI ITACHI ITACHI! HE”S MA BITCH >__<

    Anyways, since this week's looks pretty awesome, I'll discuss it. (last chapter I had a discussion on: 465 @_@)

    Danzo coming back every time he's "killed" bugs me because maybe the Sharingans on the arm are using a new ability that is unbeknownst to Sharingan users. Maybe you can ONLY use it when you DON"T have the Mangekyo and that's why Sasuke has no idea what it is.

    And maybe when Uchiha's have the original sharingan, they don't realize what power it has, but they seemingly realize how much "power" the Mangekyo has so they want that power so much more, not knowing what they're skipping over.

    SAsuke summoned a hawk. Awkward. :3

    Now the thing about Itachi coming back. It could be anything. It could be his soul inside Sasuke and helping him out, like Bob observed. Or it could be someone, someone's, Genjutsu. It could be Sasuke, Madara's…HELL! It could even be Danzo! I doubt the possibility of ti being his, as Itachi appeared directly in front of Danzo with his eyes glaring #_#.

    One thing I hope is that someone will die in the next 10 chapters…Hopefully, it's Danzo!

    I had something else to say…but I forgot, so nevermind 😯

  15. Grrrr…

    Danzou’s awesome!! Sasugay should be the one to die! He needs to learn that revenge is not the answer!

  16. Okay this was awesome!
    Merry christmas!
    I have a few things to say about this chapter and a few new theories.
    1st off i think i know what itachi is. Before danzo turned ravens were coming from sasuke, which we all know to be itachi’s calling card. When itachi imparted his gifts to sasuke(as he did Naruto) he implemented what i believe to be a fail safe, sort of like what minato did. If ever sasuke tires himself out using his mangekyo sharingan abilities in an emergency that his consciousness would awaken and then his chakra would envelop sasuke’s body giving him physical shape to fight. sorry but i gtg continue this later.

  17. hmm, new theory on Danzo escaping death: it’s a form of substitution jutsu that turns to blood (or fake blood, or maybe ketchup) instead of logs

  18. Sasuke was only able to summon snake because he absorbed Orochimaru. He never made a contract with them.

  19. Lol JUPA “maybe it’s ketchup”

  20. @susa no ken, if that were the case, when sasuke was exhausted after fighting all the kages, wouldnt he have turned into a physical shape or whatever your saying? lol.

    I still think the way itatchi ‘died’ in the first place was horrible. Maybe he just pretended to die and buggered off to watch sasuke from the shadows. Or naruto spluttering and coughing was the calling card for itatchi to go and help sasuke.. Whatever its too hard to predict!! lol

  21. i dont think this issue with itachi has anything to do with naruto. for starters you dont see naruto at all in this chapter. this chapter focusus entirely on sasuke and danzo’s fight with a small emphasis on itachi.

    it does look as though the ravens are comming from sasuke, but i would have thought they would have come out of his eyes, on page 16 they just seem to be hanging out around him.

    the think im interested in is why madara is shown with his sharingan. they only show that when necasary, it isnt something madara seems to just throw around. he has showed it to who, sasuke, kakashi, and thats really about it. maybe the kage’s cant remember. secondly it doesnt show him using any technique, but it clearly shows him looking at what i presume to be danzou with his sharingan, and it doesnt seem right that kishi would just throw the sharingan around like that.

    either madara was trying to figure out danzou’s secret to his technique, or he was using a technique of his own we were not shown. either way i think that one little pannel with madara and his sharingan is going to be a big player in the next chapter.

  22. ::EDIT:: first paragraph my mind got away from my fingers, should be madara not itachi at the end

  23. […] Naruto Chapter 477 – ZOMG! It’s Itachi-san! Post Author: Bob Hey now, this was a surprise, I really wasn’t expecting chapter 477 to come out this week since the […] […]

  24. Sasuke’s new summon is a nice surprise, but personally I always felt snakes symbolized him better than a hawk. Not to mention he is going wwaaaayy too overboard in this fight. I mean he’s using all of his trumph cards right off the bat, talk about arrogant. Hey maybe we’ll luck out and 478 will be out next week also.

  25. It’d better not be blood >_<

    I hope it's ketchup X___X Mm, where are ma fries?

  26. i think sasuke isnt sasuke but he is actually itachi and sasuke has been summoned somewhere elese like madaras other dimension again

  27. OMG itachi! definetly a genjutsu. go danzo! love that he is calling out sasuke on his stupidity of wasting itachi’s sacrifice and everything else.

  28. IMHO, danzou is just a piece of onion that has layer…Karin already figure it out, when each attack of sasuke cause danz0u’s “cl0ne” then pops-out get back into normal form, each sharingarms eye close…that’s what i’ve notice in mid panel@ foreshadowing sasuke’s chakra of danzou’s layer…^^,

  29. why are many of you getting fooled in saying that itachi is alive??? its just genjutsu!!!

  30. it is not a genjustu or at least not sasuke’s his left eye was bleedding but his right eye is his tsukyomi…therefore it is probly another itachi sharingan trigger to protect sasuke because remnber itachi said danzo was to NEVER harm sasuke and he made it a point to show up to the village from time to time to make sure so he could just as easy make the same genjustu trigger or something else to protect sasuke after death…it most likely isn’t itachi real body because mandara took it…but whatever itachi is planning her mean business notice he mangekyo…as for danzo’s technique it is probably due to 1 of the many shringans he has…bcuz remember what he did with shishu’s sharingan… he took it and is able to use these ninjas secret sharingan techniques…it also can be a space-time justu exclusive to th uchiha because if u really think about it mandara was able to use his space time justu without activating mangekyo sharingan…but like a different type…as for mandara he probably sensed itachi’s arrival or caught on to danzo’s tricks…

  31. also as an experienced ninja and also having many sharingans which can read genjustu/chakra to a certain extent danzo would have acknowledged it as a genjustu…aslo the crow came from sasuke’s body…???

  32. and sasuke hand were behind his back when the cows emerged…itachi was known to form hand seals under his cloak…but even if that proves to be worthless info it still cud mean this is some type of ninjustu or sasuke is preparing for an attack

  33. and since wen can sasuke summon a giant hawk… mandara trained him and he didnt even notice this ability

  34. yeah you made your point but you really can not tell if that itachi thing isn’t a genjutsu…. i mean, in case of minato showing up to naruto.. i think its also a genjutsu..which leads to the conclusion that not all genjutsu are harmful or for offensive attacks right?

  35. that is for dopenuts!

  36. Has anyone notised hat Danzo has´nt uncoverd his left eye with the sharingan? Maybe he´s making it to Mangyeko sharigan and it´s just taking some time like wih Kakashi…

  37. SEE THIS
    It’s really meant to be that sasuke can use hawk…^^,

  38. When itachi left the village he threatened danzo not to touch sasuke. That was their deal. This is definitely a technique itachi left behind in sasuke like amaterasu specifically for danzo.

    Danzos techniques remind me of that arrancar from bleach with all the eyes. Everytime he uses a power to revive himself an eye closes to recharge. His abilities can’t be that uncanny. The only sharingon he would be able to upgrade to mangekyou would be shisu’s I would think…since the other sharingons seem to have a mind of their own and are taking over danzos arm which would explain why he would have his arm sealed. Being regular sharingon, they probably have some sort of projection genjutsu technique they all use at the last moment before he gets struck. All sharingon techniques are essentially the same with minor variations between them. Whatever it is karin looks like she figured it out there

  39. Really his powers just remind me of kakuzu like how kakuzu had those lives.
    I think danzo isnt taking this seriously until it gets down to his last 2 eyes.

    To me each eye= 1 life.

    And itachi i just think did the same thing minato did with Naruto.

    Just what i think is happening.

  40. Just to throw this out there. Does anyone elsek think that the manga will end with sasuke becoming hokage and naruto becoming a martyr for his way of the ninja. The system would changa forever and I feel like this is all building up to his lesson from naruto and itachi. I know a lot of people hate him but isn’t that the point? His character is built on hatred so woulnt the greatest victory be to have him fight and stand for everything he stood against? I think we’re suppost to hate him at this point so the impact later will be that much sweeter

    Naruto just seems more of the inspirational type rather than the leader type. Just fits the story and characters in my head. Jiraiya and narutos way of the ninja are the same

  41. But to get Mangekyo, you have to kill your best friend.

    We all no Danzo has no friends X__X

  42. Im very happy that Itachi is possibly going to be back 😀

    Maybe Danzou can use a space/time jutsu but instead of teleporting, he alters time to before he was hit…

    It’s possible he doesn’t have control over it, maybe it happens just like Gaara’s sand moves to protect him? Maybe.

    The eyes probably re-open after some time to… so if what I said is true, you’d have to kill him many time so that all the eyes are closed and then kill him quickly one more time before the eyes reopen, so that he dies for good.

    Itachi coming back… few reasons making it hard to believe:

    1. if Itachi used the meditating dead body transforming jutsu again, his powers would have been limited and he couldn’t have used Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susano’o

    2. Itachi did seem like he wanted to die already and he was happy to see Sasuke got strong enough to kill him and felt like “Mission Accomplished”.

    3. Madara and Zetsu took itachi’s body they would have noticed it changing back to the body’s real appearance.
    So even if Itachi managed to use that jutsu and use his powers fully, Madara would have known that Itachi isn’t dead.

    However I would love to be proved wrong about Itachi and find out that he really is alive.

    Merry Xmas all! 😀

  43. Okay, I’m extremely happy to see Itachi and happy that Sasuke was getting his ass whipped but the thing that I’m pissed about is why the hell is Sasuke getting all these tham techniques!? I understand the eye techniques but now a new summons, what the hell!? Kishi, I got mad respect for you but if you don’t overflow our Naruto with cool techniques we are going to have some problems!

    I agree with you on the Danzo techniques Bob, I noticed it too, but just think, these are obviously techniques to use to obtain info on your opponent, he is using this technique to see his most powerful techniques and weaknesses and I’m sure he has some strong offensive jutsu aswell!

    Sasuke is so cool to have come this far in a short amount of time in power and I respect that, he has to avenge his family and he is one of my favorite characters, but how many other characters have we seen who families were wiped out on NARUTO! All I want to see is Naruto fight again maybe he’ll surprise me!LOL!

    I’m really starting to like Madara a lot!

  44. Guess first I’m expected to say “Itachi is back!!!” But I personally prefer “Copycat Sasugay”.

    The dead should stay dead. Well, seeing Itachi in real-time isn’t so bad. But if this were the real thing not controlled by Sasuke, like Minato’s appearance, that’d be nice. Maybe he and Danzou can have a brief chat or something.

    Danzou has quite an ability. I wonder if only giving him bonus lives is what those sharingans do, or maybe they also allow him to use some cool jutsu. Having multiple lives, like Kakuzu, is cool but I really think Danzou was ‘killed’ too easily each time. Maybe he can only use some of his power when fighting like this.

    Sasuke’s hawk summon was a pleasant surprise. Wonder what kind of abilities that cute bird has.

  45. fuck you guys…im going home

  46. fuck yourself dare bear!

  47. @some one
    Danzo’s Sharingan eye in the face is the right eye…its Kakashi’s that has the left…Meri Xmas evry1…hope Sasugay gets stronger so Naruto’ll get stronger as well.. ^^

  48. I think its about time that Naruto got some more seriously cool Jutsu’s! Sasuke has grown at an incredable rate and Naruto is getting left behind it seems again!! I just wish something would happen!! Maybe when Naruto crashed to the ground it will spark somethings who knows!!

    I tell you one thing though Sasuke constantly pulling out his best eye techniques in EVERY fight is starting to get old!! I mean i understand why he has to cos the last fights where of the Kages and now Danzo!! but it seems hes gonna go blind fairly quickly if he doesnt stop using his MS constantly!

    I wonder what the Difference in Chakra Levels between Naruto and Sasuke are! it would seem that Naruto’s should be much Larger but i know using susanoo use up life force so that wont affect his Chakra i guess! but maybe in a indirect way it would as it would use it allot of stamina which u need to create jutsu’s!

  49. Personally I think Itachi is dead, this is probably either a genjutsu or some other related eye technique. Also I don’t get all the Sasuke hate, I’m personally not a huge fan (honestly NONE of the characters are all that interesting IMHO) but the guy had his entire CLAN whiped out. That includes friends, family, neighbours etc. This isn’t just his mother and father, this is everyone he knew well. And it was his brother who killed them no less.

    Which brings me to another point, why is Itachi suddenly seen as a good guy? It’s obvious Kishi didn’t originally plan for him to be a good guy, I mean he killed his MOTHER and even the elderly and the young. Are you trying to tell me an old grandma with a broom was going to revolt..? And everyone saying that Itachi gave Naruto a power to counter Sasukes, remember this… ITACHI MADE SASUKE AS EVIL AS HE IS. Not to mention he’s that all that evil, he’s not a perv like a lot of the characters, or vulgar, sure he’s a bit arrogant and misguided but we don’t know for sure what Kishi is planning for him yet anyway. Remember he does still look out for his teammates, even going so far as to nearly get himself killed to save them.

    Yeah I know I went off on a tangent but that’s honestly how I feel.

  50. Personally I think Itachi is dead, this is probably either a genjutsu or some other related eye technique. Also I don’t get all the Sasuke hate, I’m personally not a huge fan (honestly NONE of the characters are all that interesting IMHO) but the guy had his entire CLAN whiped out. That includes friends, family, neighbours etc. This isn’t just his mother and father, this is everyone he knew well. And it was his brother who killed them no less.

    Which brings me to another point, why is Itachi suddenly seen as a good guy? It’s obvious Kishi didn’t originally plan for him to be a good guy, I mean he killed his MOTHER and even the elderly. Are you trying to tell me an old grandma with a broom was going to revolt..? And everyone saying that Itachi gave Naruto a power to counter Sasukes, remember this… ITACHI MADE SASUKE AS EVIL AS HE IS. Not to mention he’s that all that evil, he’s not a perv like a lot of the characters, or vulgar, sure he’s a bit arrogant and misguided but we don’t know for sure what Kishi is planning for him yet anyway. Remember he does still look out for his teammates, even going so far as to nearly get himself killed to save them.

    Yeah I know I went off on a tangent but that’s honestly how I feel.

  51. Wow excuse double post (now triple I know) it was my stupid mac laptop being a douche

  52. that shadow guy has a good point about Sasuke and Itachi. i personally never thought of Itachi as a good guy cuz he did kill ppl who really could in no way revolt against the village (old ppl, babies/todlers and there were probably som handicapped ppl in the Uchiha clan too) and Sasuke just wants to kill this crazy old bastard who talked his (Sasuke’s) brother into killing them all

  53. “Remember he does still look out for his teammates, even going so far as to nearly get himself killed to save them.” Incorrect lol. He left Jugo and Suigetsu to die at the Kage meeting, and lets not forget that these are the same guys that saved HIS life. Not even Nagato was like that, at least he CARED for the Akatsuki members (except Tobi {immature version})

    “Are you trying to tell me an old grandma with a broom was going to revolt..?” yeah that’s exactly what I’m saying. Old people cant be taken lightly in the Naruverse (Chiyo, Sarutobi, Danzo etc), especially old people with the Sharingan. Babies would just grow up to be like Sasuke and the other deceased clan members, i.e want revenge.

    “ITACHI MADE SASUKE AS EVIL AS HE IS”- no he didnt. He told Sasuke to hate and kill him. That way he may return to Konoha as a hero, but he chose to submit to his arrogance and narcissism and now wants to destroy konoha. Some may say its only the elders, but after seeing how he mercilessly executed those Stormt…..Clones…..Samurais I truly believe he meant what he said http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/402/17/

    “why is Itachi suddenly seen as a good guy?”- 1). He didn’t capture Naruto in Part 1 of the series when we KNOW he could 2). He stopped Kisame from cutting off Naruto’s legs 3). He tried to kill Madara and save the ninja world with that final “amaterasu” 4). He sacrificed his entire clan (his mother, father, lover etc) for the benefit of the Village and to prevent another ninja war (which would claim many innocent lives, i.e ninja and non-ninja) which caused him great distress 5). Instead of killing Sasugay, he died in front of his eyes so he could gain an MS

    Well that sounds like a good guy to me.

    On Danzo’s arm, I think those Sharingans aren’t just extra lives, otherwise he wouldnt be throwing them away like that. But his strategy is sound, he’s doing what Naruto did against Kakuzu, except Danzo’s a genius so he must be getting A LOT more info on Susanoo than what Naruto got on Kakuzu.

    On Itachi, its just an illusion to try to mess with Danzo. Itachi was smart, but far from omniscient. I doubt he predicted that Danzo would PERSONALLY go after Sasuke (Danzo’s the type to send people to do his dirty work. If I were him I’d send Naruto after him, that way he could ill two birds with one stone).

  54. i agree with jpua about itachi. if you notice on the last pic, itachi is standing slightly offside to danzo. danzo appears surprise but itachi isn’t glaring at danzo, itachi is glaring in a different direction….possible madara??? maybe even sasuke???

  55. I think its genjutsu, maybe Tsukiyomi. If you notice, it appears that sasukes body dissipated into the crows; similar to the way itachi used to do. Whenever he was using genjutsu, his body would dissipate into crows

  56. Itachi is really comeback
    bc if it was a genjutsu Danzoo can go out from this easily remember he had 6 Sharingan so can go out
    so i think Itachi is really comeback remember Itachi is genius

  57. Heres hoping itachi is alive and well that would be a true christmas miracle.
    🙂

  58. well since Mr. Danzo (the great, ‘sarcasm intended’) is well aware of the abilities of amaterasu and susano, why the heck wouldn’t he be well aware of tsukiomi?

    i think this is the work of itachi himself, probably. but still, again, this is danzo, and he’s clearly wondering why is itachi ALIVE…? if danzo’s wondering about that, then there’s a good possibility itachi IS alive.. but who knows.

    until the next chapter is out, i’m in support of bob’s #1 theory.

  59. Aww, no one has looked at my theory 😦

    Well, I saw this pic on Photobucket and it looked awesome, so, I wanted to share it! 😀

  60. ZOMG itachi-san is awesome, whatever this happens to be. the hawk thing threw me off and should probably be explained some later…Question..is fuuton an especially rare affinity? it seems like few have/use it; (we have seen every elemental jutsu from, say kakashi, exept for wind techniques if im not mistaken). forgot what else i was gonna say so ill depart with this….

    if you guys find yourself with some free time this holiday break, when not engaged in any Naruto related activity, i recommend that you head to a local library and check out the “Demonata” series by Darren Shan. THAT SHIT IS LEGIT. there are a lot of parallels between the protagonists of the books in the series and prominent characters in Naruto. i.e. loss of innocence, fighting for the greater good and all that noise. interesting stuff. just a thought.

    – T PEIN OUT!!! (autotune voice)

  61. @ t pein, yes, wind is a rare affinity (or at least it’s rare in Konoha), Kakashi stated that himself when he learned of Naruto’s element. and on Kakashi having every element except wind, only in the anime, in the manga he never used fire. but in Clash of Ninja Revolution 3 and Ultimate Ninja 4 he uses all 5 elements (pretty badass)

  62. I have another theory 😛

    Well, I think the Genjutsi factor plays a big role in this fight. There is NO WAY someone used the Reanimation Jutsu somewhere without someone knowing about it. And someone would have had to die to be a sacrifice and we haven’t seena nyone off screen to play that role. So Itachi HAS to be Genjutsu, and there’s nothing else he can be. Sasuke is just using him (or Madara) to play as a distraction to Danzo. Hell, maybe Madara wants Danzo to join him so he’s using Itachi to coax him…

  63. I WANT ITACHI TO BE ALIVE

  64. “But to get Mangekyo, you have to kill your best friend. We all no Danzo has no friends X__X”

    Haha, so simple yet so true. But the more I think about what Itachi said about the MS to Sasuke, the more I think he was alluding to the feeling of great loss rather than the physical act of murdering some one close to you. After all, Kakashi didn’t kill anyone to obtain his MS, he already stated that everyone close to him was already dead. I assume he meant the death of Obito (maybe Rin?), so he must have used the pain of that loss to get his MS. So even as evil as Danzo is made to be, I’m sure he has his own back story of tragic toss. Nobody is born a heartless bastard, so something must have happened in his past to make him this way.

  65. Yeah, I assume, before he became a heartless bastard (As you say), he had many friends. One friend must have been very close to him and had been killed or died. Sasuke got the MS because Itachi had been the person he was most closest to. I’m guessing Kakashi might have used the thought and pain of Obito and possibly Rin’s death to get his (As you have said).

    Sorry, this comment basically shortened up what Bob said…

  66. Hey i need to recap on what i suggested earlier and add onto it. i was rushed earlier and here’s my full opinion on what itachi is.

    1st off i think i know what itachi is. Before danzo turned ravens were coming from sasuke, which we all know to be itachi’s calling card. When itachi imparted his gifts to sasuke(as he did Naruto) he implemented what i believe to be a fail safe, sort of like what minato did. If ever sasuke tires himself out using his mangekyo sharingan abilities in an emergency that his consciousness would awaken and then his chakra would envelop sasuke’s body giving him physical shape to fight. This would however only be triggered when under attack by another sharingan user.

    Since Itachi told sasuke NEVER to follow madara (he made it so that amaterasu would set madara on fire so he must hate madara) this may have been put in place incase sasuke ever went all out on madara. I think madara knew of this and tried to force itachi out by facing sasuke against danzo but when danzo’s abilities didnt set it off (It may have responded ONLY to madara) madara unlocked his sharingan and used it on sasuke. Sensing an attack Itachis consciousness poured out to face the threat only now realising it is danzo. This would also explain why madara had his sharingan on in that panel.

    Maybe i’m looking to deep but i think that this is a real winnning theory. I am confident in how this would work and play in the story. For instance now that itachi has come out this will probably be the last time that we ever see him fight again. He would end up using all the chakra and therefore disapear like minato from sasuke’s consciousness. Then Madara could use sasuke to do whatever he wanted. We must remember that madara is a master of plans, he even thought that sasuke would beat itachi remember? The only thing he didnt plan on was Naruto beating pein and yet madara moves on. This has got to be another one of his plans.

    I would also like to comment on how danzo keeps on reviving. While his powers for that are dependent on the sharingan, i think that he is using a evil type of substitution. The sharingans teleport people in root to take the place of danzo in life or death situations through a space time MS power. Now i know the arguments against that but let me break it down.
    1) Danzo has several sharingans, c’mon like one of them might not be mangekyo?
    2) If none are, then after getting the sharingans he felt an incredible sense of loss be it of family(IDK) dog ran away, or the fact that the third hokage was so mad at you for stealing the sharingans that he sealed said arm and now you feel that the sacrifices you made your whole life was for nothing and have tried to commit suicide thus unlocking the mangekyo.
    3)every MS has been space time. Madara’s who controls space in himself. Kakashi who sends things into other places. Itachi/sasuke who uses Tsukoyumi which traps someone(mentally) in another dimension for 72 hours that goes incredibly slowly(seriously kakashi is super strong to have fought against something like that and come out of it.) so this is entirely possible.

    Well thats my two cents and I hope you guys like it.
    Suna OUT!

  67. 1st, to all those who thought Danzo’s arm was ‘FULL OF Mangekyou Sharingan’ when he first unveiled his arm, this chapter answered that question.

    My suggestion, OPEN YOUR EYES when you look at the drawings!! It was pretty freaking obvious that they were regular Sharingan.

    Regarding Itachi, there are some pretty crazy theories going on here. Let’s face it ppl, Itachi isn’t alive. Bob’s theory #1 has a 99% probability of being true.

  68. As for the Sasuke hate, for me, I’ve come to dislike him because he’s hijacked the entire series. The focus has mainly been on him and not the manga’s namesake character. Also, his progression has been too ridiculous for me. He seems to jump 2-3 levels after each fight with minimal effort and training.

    Anyway, I agree with Kisu for the most part. Itachi isn’t a HERO in the traditional sense – as in a squeaky clean shaven character with an impeccable image and only good intentions such as Goku or Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin (Samurai X).

    Look at it in perspective: Itachi took the lesser of two evils and averted a civil war at the expense of the Uchiha (genocide). To the Uchiha, Itachi is a treasonous traitor, but to Konoha (if they all knew the truth) Itachi’s actions would be considered heroic.

    It’s all about perspective. To Freeza and Cell, Goku is the villainous obstacle. But to everyone else, Goku is a hero. A Hero is just the worst villain and vice versa.

  69. “dopenutz420, on December 26th, 2009 at 3:59 am Said:

    and since wen can sasuke summon a giant hawk… mandara trained him and he didnt even notice this ability”

    Wow Mandara trained Sasuke? That’s news to me since it’s never been revealed or implied in the manga at all.

    Do you live in the Naruverse and spy on Sasuke? That explains why you seem to know everything about him and that Mandara trained him!

    I’ve never seen Sasuke go to the washroom before in the manga, so that means he never needs to crap and piss, right?!

  70. just thought id say that I read in a interview with kishi u know Naruto’s author said that itachi is really dead but would come back, so Id say its just something like with how minao showed up in naruto

  71. I just thought of this,

    Remember how Itachi used Susano’o to absorb Orochimaru out of Sasuke, after having done that Itachi might have somehow put himself into Sasuke.

    In other words: Itachi took Orochimaru out of Sasuke to make place for himself. 😀

  72. @star69, I completely agree with you. Sasuke’s progression is FAR TOO RAPID. I get that he’s a “genius”, but so is Neji and Kakashi, yet they couldn’t take Sasuke as he is now, and both are older than him. Either he is a new level of genius or he’s taking some crazy ninja steroids lol. The only character I can think of who grew as quickly as Sasugay is Goku, but at least we SAW him train (even though Vegeta trains MUCH harder and MUCH more than Goku, yet for some strange and unexplained reason Goku is always slightly stronger). Sasugay just gets beaten to a pulp, disappears for a FEW chapters and returns stronger than ever!

  73. @ kisu, on the ninja steroids, well, he does have the MS, maybe that speeds up his power. and also, if u remember, Jugo infused part of himself (ie, Curse Mark) w/ Sasuke to save him after KillerBee wiped out his (Sasuke’s) chest, so maybe a combination of the 2 r giving him an exponential growth spurt and acting like steroids. the good news is: if he is on steroids, he’ll soon grow breasts and become sterile, lol

  74. ” if he is on steroids, he’ll soon grow breasts and become sterile”

    lol, are you sure it hasn’t happened already? 😀

    So, pretty much, here’s the short end of all of tthis: Danzo is a fag with eyes in hsi arm, Sasuke is growing at a stupendiously fast rate and may soon turn woman, Naruto is left to gag on his own breath, Sakura begins to fall into a trap that may get her killed between an arm full of sharingan and a sheman, Karin is still useless, Itachi has become the epitome of the “Night of the Living Dead, Now with a free pair of Mangekyo Sharingan included!”, and Madara sits back with a bowl of popcorn watching the whole thing while Zetsu pickes himself off of Suigetsu and Jugo.

    -Naru 😉

  75. Oh, and a boy with an obsession with ink and paper is trying to mend it all.

    Where have the 80’s gone? X__X

  76. Oh, and don’t forget the emotionally issued boy with an obsession with ink and paper trying to mend it all.

    The 80’s are attacking

  77. oops >_< Wrong comments

  78. Naruler i just have to say, what the hell are you talking about? It’s funny and everyhting but i dont get it. I mean really the 80’s are already back, so why remind us? … that sounded funnier in my head.XP
    Someone comment on my comment! X(
    Suna OUT!

  79. sorry forgot to post this. Just a bit of statistics.
    98% of teens would be dead if Twilight said breathing wasn’t cool. Post this if you are apart of the 2% laughing
    Suna OUT!

  80. why do people still spell madara as mandara you’d think they’d have realised they are idiots by now.

  81. @ suna, lol, i’m one of the 2%. but really, i had no idea 98% of teenagers were girls

  82. @kisu
    That goku vs Sasuke comparison is interesting. I didn’t think about it before but if we’re just talking about fights, Sasuke is more similar to Goku than Naruto is, even though the latter is wearing the orange jumpsuit. When’s the last time Naruto ‘lost’ a battle.

    “Sasuke is growing at a stupendiously fast rate and may soon turn woman”
    Lolz, there’s enough art of girl sasuke out there to support this possibility.

    “Oh, and don’t forget the emotionally issued boy with an obsession with ink and paper trying to mend it all.”

    O_o

  83. Goku was hardly a paragon of justice in my mind… willing to let his children fight in his stead and willing to let his wife kiss an old perverted alien..? Like honestly the guy’s morals are nonexistent, but again this is off topic. On topic though I have just ONE point to make, don’t flame characters, that’s useless, they don’t really exist (duh) and nothing you say is going to change the fact that yes the show is called Naruto but it does include other characters. Just be thankful that it’s not as ridiculous as Bleach in sheer numbers of “good” guys… though then again the last little bit sure has introduced a shitload of them.

    Also Sasuke was virtually non existent in the series until not too too long ago, so it’s time for us to get caught up. As it stands now Naruto is already overpowered in my opinion… though so is killer-bee…. I mean honestly, what was that BS with Kisame…

    However I do have a theory for possible Kisame survival… what if he’s used the jutsu that he and itachi used back in um.. chapter something. The one that makes the clone using a body… possible? That’d mean he’d be at 1/3rd strength… and he’d still have his good ol’ sharky to eat chakra with.

  84. Also to Kisuzachi (sp?) I have a hard time believing every single clan member besides Itachi wanted to revolt, I think it’s pretty clear this little “Itachi being a good guy” thing was though up AFTER the initial description of the massacre… either that or Kishi is just an idiot.

  85. @Danny,

    FYI, I was spelling it as Mandara to mock those who spell that way… specifically the guy who said that “Mandara trained Sasuke”

  86. “Shadow, on December 29th, 2009 at 2:45 pm Said:

    Also to Kisuzachi (sp?) I have a hard time believing every single clan member besides Itachi wanted to revolt, I think it’s pretty clear this little “Itachi being a good guy” thing was though up AFTER the initial description of the massacre… either that or Kishi is just an idiot.”

    It’s pretty safe to assume that many things in this manga (and most continuing story comics, graphic novels, and manga) are changed, revised, and thought up on the spot and made to fit as smoothly into the overall story as possible.

    You just gotta look at the timeline. I mean how long was the last (3rd?) Ninja War? 10 years? 15? 20?

    Jiraiya took a 3 year hiatus during the war to train Nagato Yahiko and Konan. When did he start training Minato? Before or after meeting those three? If it’s after, then the war musta been like 20 years long or something cause Jiraiya trained Minato when he was a kid and adult Minato had a part in ending the war (Kakashi Gaiden – Kanabi bridge).

    Also, Minato was hailed as a once in a generation genius, so surely, Jiraiya would’ve thought Minato was ‘the CHOSEN ONE’ when he first trained him… yet when he met Nagato, Jiraiya was like “I’ve finally found the chosen one” (paraphrase).

    The whole timeline doesn’t fit together at all. But hey, this is a manga, and overall, the story is really good, so these flaws are overlooked.

  87. “Shadow, on December 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pm Said:

    However I do have a theory for possible Kisame survival… what if he’s used the jutsu that he and itachi used back in um.. chapter something. The one that makes the clone using a body… possible? That’d mean he’d be at 1/3rd strength… and he’d still have his good ol’ sharky to eat chakra with.”

    Dude, that was Pain’s technique. Pain’s dead, so I take it that the technique’s gone as well.

    Kisame may still be alive… I mean everyone thought Deidara was dead after exploding in front of Team Kakashi and Team Gai, but he was brought back and there wasn’t really an explanation for it… LOL

  88. The Legendary Sannin fought in the 2nd Great Shinobi World War. Minato and his team fought in the 3rd. These two wars were close to each other however, that’s why they are easily mistaken. (Source: Narutopedia)

  89. @ Wo Ai Ni, Thanks for clearing things up!

  90. well since the ninja wars have come up, I have one thing to say. ISN’T NAGATO AWESOME!? The guy killed Salamander Hanzo, the guy that made a mockery of the Sanin lol. Well Nagato also made a mockery of the Sanin but i digress.

    “Also to Kisuzachi (sp?) I have a hard time believing every single clan member besides Itachi wanted to revolt”- well lets say SOME didn’t. After the deaths of those that wanted to rebel, don’t you think that these non-rebellious Uchiha would turn coat, i.e want to rebel as well?

    “thing was though up AFTER the initial description of the massacre”- I don’t think that’s the case here. The description Tobi gives is far too coherent with what we know of the massacre. I think Kishi had it in his head from the very first time Sasuke mentioned his brother, but just elucidated up on it later. DBZ was made up on the spot each chapter, that’s why there are so many inconsistencies. Well the longer a manga is, the more likely such inconsistencies will occur, so only successful mangas have flaws lol.

  91. Deidara didn’t die in that explosion@Star, He used his clay as a clone

  92. “Suicide Clay Bomb” Is the jutsu name btw.

  93. Yea I know he didn’t die.

    Too lazy to go search up the manga… but at the time, I thought it was him (and not the clone) who committed suicide with that technique (I’m assuming the anime version is true to the manga). He reappeared shortly after with the convenient explanation that it was the clone.

    Mind you, Team Kakashi and Team Gai, specifically Neji, were there and Deidara still escaped…. not impressed with Neji’s tracking abilities 😉

  94. lol, I agree.

  95. lol, I agree. It seems like there’s always an explanation for random things like that

    O_o

  96. about Diedara surviving that first suicide attack, what i don’t get is y more ppl don’t talk about the fact that he could’ve just used the same suicide clone jutsu on Sasuke and escaped but never returned to Akatsuki (he never really liked it there anyways)
    *note, in Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Accel 3, Diedara uses a clone for the giant C0 explosion*

  97. @Jpua, I guess he (Deidara) was caught up in the spur of the moment and forgot he could live lol. Maybe someone should ask Kishi that in an interview, that would stump him lol

  98. About how long it was between the 2nd and 3rd ninja wars… unless Jiraiya aged quickly between the two, I would say it would have to be at least 20 years. Jiraiya is noticably slimmer and younger (his hair is a lot shorter too) when he trains Nagato.

    When he trained Minato, he looked pretty much as he looked when he trained Naruto. I know that people take the Narutopedia as fact… but you really have to comb the manga yourself, because in reality while the data books are fact, the Narutopedia is actually just opinion and interpretation (mostly right, but I’ve found it to be wrong sometimes). I guess it could mean that the last two ninja wars are closer together than the first and second… or even that the nature of the 2nd and 3rd were similar, so people confuse them, but they are definitely a whole generation apart.

  99. Uh this is a little far-fetched but hey, I think everyone is open to new ideas. Some of us know about the space time continuum and alternate dimensions or parallel universes. Maybe Danzo is an older Obito from a parallel universe. The reason why I’m saying this is that there is an infinite amount of parallel universes out there. The difference between our universe and these parallel universes could range from someone tripping over a pebble in our universe but that same person doesn’t trip over the pebble in one of the other parallel universes to the world ending in one universe and it doesn’t in ours. . . Basically every possible outcome of every second of our lives; the decisions we make, our actions, accidents, reactions, etc happens in one parallel universe so every possibility occurs. So what if and this is a BIG if in one of the other parallel universes Obito survived and then as an adult mastered space time manipulation, time travel, and went to the regular Naruverse and assumed the name/persona of a person named Danzo. This could even be the Obito from the regular naruverse. How do we know he died? maybe he had like a last ditch skill that no Uchiha knew of; he seems Kakashi’s age. The reasons why this is plausible are:

    1. Why is it only Danzo’s right side that he kept bandaged? He just happened to have his whole right side (The right side of Obito’s body was crushed by the rock.)

    2. Regarding the above reason We have not seen Danzo’s leg so we do not know if he had that replaced as well.

    3. Why is Danzo so obsessed with the Sharingan that he got around 20 of them put on his right arm? Maybe because he never had the chance to discover what the Sharingan was like for himself?

    4. It is unknown how Danzo was born or anything about his past at all except that he was and is still the leader of Roots.

    5. His hair looks a lot like Obito’s style doesn’t it?

    6. I mean the person can manipulate time and space so he should be capable of inter-dimensional travel.

    7. Why do you think that he can use all the Sharingan in such an amazing way? A normal person wouldn’t have enough chakra supply, or skills to even use one to its full potential (Kakashi is an amazing ninja but even with only one sharingan, he only uses it as a last ditch effort because it tires him out, strains both his eyes, and depletes his chakra supply like crazy.) So why can Danzo Manipulate around 20+ Sharingan with perfect harmony?

    I have been reading all of bobs Posts and am a religious Naruto Shippuden fan (I’ve been following the series since it premiered on Cartoon Network but after the Saskue retrieval arc, I began to read the manga and never went back cause I HATE filler episodes with a passion!) but this is my first time actually posting one of my theories. Tell me what you think!
    -Lugia

  100. First off, Happy 2010 to all of you!

    @ Lugia: everything’s possible, but you’re theory (al though interesting) is not very probably imo. It requires quite a change in the foundation of the Naruverse, as the time/parallel time travel subject is a topic that has not been touched on and I think would drastically change the flow of this manga.

    Regarding #7, remember that Danzou was the Third’s main rival, so we can assume he was in the same league skillwise as the Third, who was considered the most powerful ninja at his prime. It’s not very consistent how age made the Third (naturally) weaker, but apparently is not affecting Danzou. This probably has something to do with the ‘experimentation’ that’s been going on and his special sharingan revival technique, but I digress.

    The Sharingan seems like the ultimate ability to have, but it’s been proven that non-sharingan ninja CAN be more powerful. For example, the First apparently smoked Madara with EMS. The Second Hokage’s been shafted this whole series, but if he’s anything like Madara’s lil brother Izuna then the Second was probably around a similar level as the First. The Third was the most powerful ninja at his prime. The Fourth, although young, was considered one of the greatest geniuses and outfoxed Madara’s kyuubi plans 16 years ago.

  101. So… if super genius ninja possess the Sharingan like Danzou and Kakashi do, then I see no reason why they can’t use sharingan effectively by treating it as just another jutsu/technique in their arsenal. For all intensive purposes, Kakashi’s use of his eye has been superb and probably exceeds the majority of Uchiha if they were still alive. I mean he’s achieved MS when apparently only Uchiha can. Kakashi naturally has low chakra reserves, so this limits his ability to maximize the use of his sharingan.

    If rumors of Danzou’s power are true, then Danzou is more powerful/skilled than Kakashi, so it’s not inconceivable that he can use his eye as effectively as an Uchiha… although using several at once seems a little absurd, but I digress again.

    In other words, if someone like Naruto or Kisame who has enormous chakra reserves possesses implanted sharingan eyes, with training, he would probably be able to use the eyes just as effectively as an Uchiha with comparable intelligence, genius and skill level.

  102. “charlotteahr, on December 31st, 2009 at 9:19 am Said:

    About how long it was between the 2nd and 3rd ninja wars… unless Jiraiya aged quickly between the two, I would say it would have to be at least 20 years. Jiraiya is noticably slimmer and younger (his hair is a lot shorter too) when he trains Nagato.”

    Jiraiya died at around 55 years old. So going by your argument:

    -Jiraiya was 39 years old when Naruto was born (16 years ago).

    Let’s assume that Minato (adult) was 21 years old when Naruto was born and that Jiraiya started training Minato when he was 12 years old, 9 years before Naruto was born.

    -So Jiraiya started training kid Minato when Jiraiya was 30 years old.

    If the gap between the end of the 2nd war and beginning of the 3rd war was ‘atleast 20 years’ according to you, then Jiraiya was less than 10 years old when the 2nd war ended? LOL

    Look at the Team Jiraiya picture when Minato was a kid. Jiraiya looks pretty young still. The red lines from his eyes are longer than when he trained Nagato and them, but pretty much the same length as they when the 2nd war was coming to an end.

  103. Even if the war started when Minato was 15 or 16, Jiraiya would have been in his mid teens when the 2nd war ended according to your assumption. Remember, he took a 3 year hiatus to train Nagato and them, so he would have met the three kids when he was like 12 years old or something, which doesn’t make sense at all.

    Here’s my suggested timetable, assuming Jiraiya was over 20 when the 2nd war started:

    -Jiraiya Age @ Death: 55

    -Age @ Naruto’s Birth: 39. (Minato’s Age: 21)

    -Age @ end of 3rd War: ~31-38

    -Age @ when he started training Minato: ~28-30

    -Age @ end of 2nd War: ~26-28

    …. (at least 3 year gap between of of 2nd war and when Jiraiya first met Nagato. I used 4 years)….

    -Age @ first met Nagato: ~22-24

  104. @star69, there’s one fundamental mistake you made with the time line, you assumed the war ended when Jiraiya started training Nagato and friends, but the whole Hanzo and Danzo thing suggests it didnt.
    The Second War started 20 years after the first, and we all know Tobirama trained Sarutobi in this period. Jiraiya as an adult trained the ame-orphans for three years. Then he trained Minato, who then trained Kakashi, and died the night of the Kyubi’s attack. Here are my estimates of character ages.

    72 years ago, Sarutobi is born and trained by Tobirama. When Sarutobi is 19 years old, the Sanin are born. 12 years later he trains them when he’s 31. This would be 46 years ago. Then he trains them or tutors them until they’re competent 6 years later, 40 years ago. When Jiraiya is about 18, he meats Yahiko and friends when they’re 12, and trains them for 3 years, ending 37 years ago. At this time let’s say Minato is born. Jiraiya starts training him at 12, which brings us to 25 years ago, Jiraiya would have been 33 at the time. With three years of training Minato would be 15 and Kakashi would have just been born. 13 years later Minato trains Kakashi, Rin and Obito, making him about 28 (one year older than Kakashi when he becomes Naruto, Sasuke and Saskura’s sensei). Kakashi was 27 in Part 1 and naruto was 13, which means that he was 14 when the Kyubi attacked, which means Minato was about 29-30 years old and Jiraiya would have been 50, which is wrong. He would have been 38-39 when the Kyubi attacked, so the whole timeline of the manga doesn’t fit. I think these are plotholes, but I think some of the ages are fairly accurate.

  105. @ Kisu, yea that was just a simple assumption. I actually assumed the war ended 1 year after Jiraiya left the 3 orphans (I made a note of a 4 year assumption).

    I just wanted to detail a sample time line to debunk charlotteahr’s comment about a 20 year gap btw the 2nd and 3rd wars.

    On your comment about plotholes… I made a similar comment a few days ago about that. Shit happens.. meaning Kishi gets new ideas all the time and he implements them as smoothly as possible into the overall storyline.

  106. isn´t this supose to a chapter discussion about chapter 477?? Seems to me it ain´t anymore 😀

  107. These plotholes were created by a simle mistake: you thought that ALL characters graduated from Academy when they were 12 years old, which is not true in many cases.

    OK, that’s my guess about “Naruto” ‘s timetable. You may not get it at first, but I think it makes sense. After all, please, SHOW MERCY, I ‘ve made a lot of research and calculations!!!

    Firstly, the ages (Part 1)

    Naruto: 13
    Minato: – (this tired me a lot!) Academy: 10 Chuunin: –
    Kakashi: 27 Academy: 5 Chuunin: 6
    Jiraiya: 50 Academy: 6 Chuunin: –
    Sarutobi: 69 – – – (if he lived right now, he would be 72, just like Danzo)

    Now, the calculations:

    When Jiraiya was born, Sarutobi was 69-50=19.

    When Jiraiya started training with Sarutobi, the later was 19+6=25.

    When NARUTO was born, Jiraiya was 50-13=37. Kakashi was 27-13=14.

    When Kakashi was born, Jiraiya was 50-27=23. When Minato trained Kakashi (5), Jiraiya was 23+5=28. These 5 years Jiraiya trained Minato (10), so when Kakasi graduated, Minato was 15 years old and already a Jonin to take over Kakashi’s team.

    If Jiraiya trained Minato at his 23 years, he must have trained Yahiko’s team 3 years ago, so 23-3=20. That means, when he returned to Konoha (23), he immediately started training Minato(10).

    Kakashi became a Jonin at 13. So, he was trained for 8 years by Minato (already 23).

    One year later, at Kakashi’s 14 and Minato’s 24, NARUTO was born. (Poor Minato, you were Hokage for just one year!)

    These are my thoughts on this topic. If we knew Minato’s age or Jiraiya’s promotion to Chuunin and Jonin, things would be much simpler, but we know at least Minato’s Graduation age, so I believe my guess is correct, I hope I didn’t make any mistake. Sorry, if all this tired you (it was a bit tiring for me too!), but it was sth that I wanted either way to find out my self!

  108. first theaory itachi sealed himself into sasuke for safe of saske
    second theory danzo maybe use sharigan for ilisons he used to on the other guys to because he got extra eyes.second theory is stupid but its theory?D

  109. I think when Danzou touch Sasuke it trigger Itachi just like when Madara revealed his sharingan Sasuke eye started to bleed and auto shoot amatsurasu.
    But for Danzou’s arm does he have the eyes on both top and bottom side or only one side? If both then he have plenty to go around. I think when karin saw it she saw the back side of his arm. The pic above shows Danzou’s front side.

  110. @bobby
    thats a pretty good theory

  111. i can’t believe there’s no manga this week either. that’s 2 weeks of torture in a row… screw this…

    the japs need to add another unsatisfied customer on their list.

  112. damn i’m angry……..

  113. This is for the guy who was talking about the flaws of Naruto and said something about why didnt Jiraiya say Minato was the chosen one when he was hailed as a once in a geration genius or watever and thought Nagato was the Chosen one well my answere is that he didnt think Nagato was till he seen Nagato had the Rinnegan eyes, said to be the strongest eye type, so yeah there you go

  114. @ Optimus Prime: can’t help but think you’re referring to me. Read below:

    -Jiraiya meets Nagato and sees the Rinnegan… CONCLUSION: Nagato is the chosen one.

    -Jiraiya receives news that Nagato and other 2 die, shortly after he leaves them… CONCLUSION: Nagato is probably NOT the chosen one since he’s dead (according to Jiraiya’s sources) and hasn’t accomplished anything by that time to warrant the chosen one conclusion… and did I mention that Jiraiya thinks he’s dead???

    -The next GENIUS ninja Jiraiya meets is Minato and apparently no 1 is even close to Minato’s genius… CONCLUSION: Minato CANNOT be the chosen 1 (according to your logic.)

  115. i g0t it late…nvm it’s a big SPOILER

    note: dun click it if you’re not excited, thus click it if y0u’re interested…i won’t waste my time of sharing this to y0u guyz…^^,

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