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Top Failings of the War Arc 3: The Sequel Nobody Asked For

Yes, yes, I know the title is woefully inaccurate. Yes, I know this is a highly anticipated post, and one you’ve all been waiting for with bated breath for over a year: the third part to my “Top Failings of the War Arc” series (second is here). Indeed, this post will be the beacon in the darkness of the void I have left in your hearts. Sit back, rejoice, and bask in my glorious wisdom. Kisu back, yo.

Now, initially I had planned to do this when the series ended. Rumor on the net was that Kishimoto said it would end in 2014, so it was my intention to do one post that chronicled all of the War Arc’s atrocities since the last one, but that was just a mistranslation. Now you get this post. Yay shoddy translators? Regardless, I had intended to include everything that made me cringe in this post, but I have decided just one topic is comprehensive enough to talk about, and is the root of all the problems of this arc. Yes, this post is about the villains.

But before we get to them, let’s talk about a fairly large retcon that put a whole new spin on the series. An unwelcome spin, at that.

YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THEM!!!!!!

Evil Brain Chakra

I don’t know if Kishimoto realizes the implications he introduced when he made this as an explanation for the typical douchebaggery the average Uchiha takes part in. See, what this means is the Uchiha are naturally predisposed to being evil. It means that Uchiha freaking out and becoming murder hobos (i.e. wandering ninjas that murder people, like Sasuke or Itachi) isn’t a weird happenstance, but something that should be expected. What this means is: they’re a clan of psychopaths and it is genetic. Now that you have a firm grasp of the Uchiha, let me explain the implications to you.

1. The Massacre was unambiguously a good thing. Why? Because they’re a clan of evil dirtbags. Nobody, and I mean nobody, would object to wiping out an army of Nazzies (well, except him), and we know they at least believed their cause was for the greater good, as misguided and wrong as they were. Meanwhile, the Uchiha are genetically compelled to be evil for evil’s sake.

2. Not genociding them all this time was a product of criminal negligence. If you had the power to kill every Natsee with the press of a button, but didn’t, you’d be as much an accessory to their atrocities as the guns they carried, since you can stop them but choose not to. That’s the Uchihas and Konoha, but worse. Tobirama was the only one smart enough to go “hey, maybe we should keep an eye on this clan of murder hobos,” and Danzo and the modern council were the only ones responsible enough to wipe them all out.

3. The black Zetsu retcon falls flat on its face. Kishimoto wants us to believe he steered them down the wrong path… but that doesn’t fly since we know taking an Uchiha’s lolipop is enough for that Uchiha to go on a murder rampage. Or if an Uchiha’s gradnma died, or if their puppy died, or anything at all that they even barely perceive as a slight against them.

Now that that’s out of the way, let’s move on to the villains:

Srsly, not about her

Obitobi aka “The Coolest Guy”

Where do I even begin with this walking disappointment? Okay, I have a brilliant idea, because I’m brilliant.

1. “I’m no one important.” His whole Masked Man phase. What was that even about? Why did he call himself Madara around Zetsu? Zetsu knew who he was! Really, this is the only decent incarnation of Obito. Getting rid of it for what he was to become is a failing in and of itself that could warrant its own post, but I wanna keep this read short and sweet. Not much to say about this beyond “wasn’t as bad as what came after”. Now to talk about what came after.

2. “It isn’t about Rin. THIS IS FOR KILLING RIN!”. This is what replaced The Masked Man. This whiny villain that can’t even make up his goddamn mind about what his motivation is. You could argue that Kishimoto intended him to flip flop to show that the original Obito is still in there somewhere, but that doesn’t work as an excuse for him since all it did was make one member of your big bad triumvirate a joke. Was he determined to bring Rin back in his Tsukuyomi world? Probably not since he couldn’t kill Naruto and Sasuke despite having the powers of the Naruniverse’s equivalent of God… but more on that later.

3. “To me, Obito is the coolest guy!” – Naruto. Right. Obito that murdered Neji in cold blood, showed no apprehension in killing his former sensei and his wife, Hiruzen’s wife, Konan (Obito sure likes killing women: must be because Rin friendzoned him), countless children from the Hidden Mist, thousands of ninjas in the war, and many more offscreen murders. This represents Kishimoto wanting us to think Obito is cool and redeemed… but he really isn’t. He truly, truly isn’t. After all he did he cannot be redeemed as simply as he did there. He committed suicide rather than continuing to fight… but more on that later.

Madara

How could a villain have so much build up, yet amount to such shit? Let me list why:

1. The power scale. Madara and Hashirama are absurdly powerful, to levels that are just stupid. These men can singlehandedly beat Biju and transform the landscape when they fight. Why are they this powerful? How could any clan even continue to exist with these two powerhouses running around? How did Kakuzu or Onoki survive their respective encounters with each? It’s simple, really. Retcons. Kishimoto realized he’d escalated the series to such a degree that the only way to live up to the hype he made for these two was to completely retcon Hashirama and Tobirama vs Sarutobi and inflate their power levels to end of Dragonball (Piccolo vs Goku) levels.

2. How can he do the things he does? The series bends itself backwards to accommodate this character. Why can he break free of Edo Tensei, being used by a ninja that has mastered it beyond anything any before him have, while Tobirama, the man who made it, cannot break free of an inferior Edo Tensei? Why can Madara just pull out people’s eyes and pop ’em into his eye sockets without any medical ninjutsu? Why does Madara have instant mastery over every technique, whether bloodline-related or not (do remember it took Kakashi years to be able to use Kamui to a degree that is less than Obito can)? Because plot, is the answer to all of these.

3. Get to the damn point. When Aizen from Bleach toyed with his opponents and let them live, he had a purpose for it. He needed people strong enough to make him feel fear for his life so he could evolve to further forms of power. He needed this to be able to fight all of Squad 0, so there was a purpose behind his tomfoolery. Madara is not this character. He toyed around with everyone, despite constantly mentioning “it’s time to get this over with.” Since this plan just requires him to activate a jutsu, he could’ve done it at any time, but wasted his efforts playing with his enemies. This is not “cool” or “villainous,” it’s called “being a goddamned idiot”. Kishimoto just needed a way for his characters to not lose to him, and couldn’t think of any so he ended up writing his villain as an incompetent knit.

4. “I still don’t know how i’m going to have Madara defeated” – Kishimoto. That speaks for itself.

“Why am I written so terribly?”

Kaguya

This “character” was introduced as the true final boss, supplanting the one that had been built up since the start of part 2. Before she took center stage as the big bad, she had only been mentioned in passing twice (her debut mention being in 646), and then 33 chapters later, she replaces Madara as big bad. Why? Because Kishimoto couldn’t figure out a way to have Madara lose. However, in doing so he introduced an even more powerful character… that just so happened to be an even bigger goddamned idiot than Madara.

She has the barest of motivations and it doesn’t even make sense. She wants to rule the world and create an army? FOR WHAT? You already rule the world. What, is she gonna take them off into space to fight the Saiyans or something? She had the power to end the fight in a finger flick, but never did it. Finally, and arguably the worst of all, she had absolutely no characterization whatsoever, as she was mute for almost the entirety of the fight, having Black Zetsu do the talking for her. For all you rookie writers out there, this is how to not write a character you mean to be important. Absolutely awful, she was. Really, the most infuriating thing about her is she is yet another character that was too stupid to use her power… but more on that later.

Such a brilliant character design!

Black Zetsu

Why? Just why? His only excuse for living is being a tool to make the Uchiha not be as bad, even though they are, and to make Kaguya be introduced into the plot. He’s just a plot device character and nothing else. An atrocious excuse for a villain. The sheer amount of retcons to justify him and White Zetsu.

Madara: “Black Zetsu is my will and White Zetsu was made from Hashirama!”

Later chapters: “White Zetsu is the result of Infinite Tsukuyomi and Black Zetsu is somehow from Kaguya!”

Never before has there been so many retcons in the same arc to things introduced in that very arc.

Now Let’s Talk About the Elephant in the Room

This is the “more on that later” section.

1. Obito had the power of Shinra Tensei on his side. Shinra Tensei’s power, according to the third databook, is to dispel ninjutsu, and we see Pain do that to the Rasenshuriken multiple times in the fight against Naruto. Naruto and Sasuke’s final attack against him wouldn’t have worked if he just [bleep]ing remembered he could use that.

2. Obito let himself die because he wanted to try to get lucky with Rin, rather than continue fighting. He had the time to run and intercept Kaguya’s bones, and then Kamui away the one fired at Kakashi. Had he remained where he was, he could’ve Kamui’d both bones away instead of wasting time trying to block with his body. He’d proven himself to be valuable to them in the fight as he was the only one that could also hop dimensions. If Kaguya wasn’t mentally damaged, Obito would’ve doomed them all by forgetting how his own powers worked.

3. Kaguya. I mentioned how Kubo gave Aizen a valid reasoning for having to leave his opponents alive, but Kishimoto tried doing it with Kaguya and failed. She wants Naruto and Sasuke’s chakras, but Black Zetsu tells her she doesn’t need it. That one line made the entire final battle utterly pointless. She’s there risking her defeat for something she doesn’t even need.

But let’s operate under the premise that she must have that chakra. All she needs to do is touch them, but she can never get in too close and they try their best not to be caught by her. It sure would be nice if the Rinnegan had a power that somehow sucked people in close to the user. Oh wait… It’s almost like Nagato is the only character that knew how to use the Rinnegan.

Now, what if Kaguya was a competent villain and just wanted to kill them? Well that’s easy too! Trap each of them in a separate dimension and wait for about 60 days. They’d die of hunger and she would be queen of the world. Now, if we factor in that she really wants their chakra, she could instead wait 20 days. They’d be tired, starving and too weak to fight. Boom, you just won.

How did Kaguya lose? She got blindsided by attacks from all angles. How is this even possible when she has the Byakugan? She should’ve seen them coming and be able to react accordingly.

4. Madara. Just use Shinra Tensei, bro. One Shinra Tensei from Pain shattered the bones of all of Naruto’s giant toads. One Shinra Tensei destroyed Konoha. Now imagine a Shinra Tensei boosted by the chakra of the 10 tails. Even before getting the ten tails, he could’ve just dropped meteors on everyone and end it there. Really, Madara had the absolute most ways he could’ve won, but because of stupidity (on both his and Kishimoto’s part) he was unable to.


In summation, the Naruto War Arc is most impacted negatively by its villains. Its mediocre villains that are incomprehensible to anyone that even critically looks at Naruto for an instant.

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33 Responses

  1. ROFLMAO. Kisu kisu kisu, how I miss debating Naruto with you. I have to say I agree with most of what you wrote, as a lot of the war was just Kishimoto writing himself into a corner, which is weird because part one was so great.

    I would say the only point I disagree with is that just because the Uchiha can gain power from despair does not mean they seek it. It’s the chakra as a response that gives them the Sharingan, not the other way around.

    I guess you could say those that suffer the most become the most powerful, but this can also lead to compassion (we are meant to believe Naruto and Sasuke are two sides of this same coin).

    Perhaps you are saving it for your next rant but Sasuke’s reasoning for fighting Naruto is as weak as everything else you wrote.

  2. Oh ho, no my friend. It’s not a matter of seeking power.

    I find the “Evil Brain Chakra” thing dumb (and extremely hilarious) because it’s meant to be an excuse for why the Uchiha are the way they are, and as such, make us feel sympathy for them. All it did was confirm that the Uchiha massacre was a good thing since the Uchiha as a race are genetically evil.

    What I’m saying is, Kishi should pass me his bong, because I want some of what he’s taking.

  3. I suck at explaining my thoughts, but I’ll try anyway.

    Yea, kishi purposely made the Uchihas that way, and it’s been talked about pretty much all throughout this manga, not just this war. They forge bonds(most of the time within their own clan, but sometimes outside it too) more powerfully than other ninja. And of course, since it is the ninja world, that bond gets consistently tested, and it can strain, or brake entirely. Everyone, not just the uchiha, goes through this, and they will either endure or succumb. Difference between the uchiha and the rest of the clan is their power benefits from this struggle, so it affects them a little more deeply, and makes them stronger as a result.

    This does not make them psychopaths though. To be more correct, it doesn’t make them any bigger psychopaths than other clans, especially back in Hashirama/Madara’s days were clans were no more than mercenaries, bodyguards, and killers for hire(not much has changed, has it lol). Those two clans were just better at it than the rest. Both play a factor, but It really is more nurture than nature that shaped the Uchiha that way. Also, If you watch Star Wars, people in the Naruto World looks at the Uchiha kinda like the way normal forks in the Star Wars universe would look at jedi.(I often compare Naruto to Star Wars cause there’re a lot of similarities between them, particularly the villains). They see them as these all powerful warriors and peacekeepers, but they have to constantly keep their emotions in check. Relatively speaking it doesn’t take much for a jedi to fall into sith territory. One slip up, and it’s all downhill from there. A jedi can go from a hero to a conqueror with relative ease. If one is interested in the Star Wars Universe, this happened too many times to name. What’s worse, they can gain easy power this way. Knowing that creates distrust and hostility from other people, and fear, just like the Uchiha. The world that ninjas live in (the kind that trains adolescent boys/girls to be pretty much killers) did nothing to help this. Neither did black zetsu. But even so, jedi always have a choice in how they live their lives and what actions they take. The Uchiha’s fate was their own fault, their own choice, just like itachi, Madara, sasuke, the elders, Hagoromo, etc.. made theirs .

    One thing I wanted to add too, from part of tobirama’s explanation, is that love and friendship, can fuel a Uchiha’s power too, not just hatred. Sasuke and Itachi are prime examples of this, and at times even obito showed hints of this too.

    I guess to summarized my point, this ‘curse of Hatred’ may influence their abilities, but it doesn’t have as much weight to their actions as you think it does.

    Almost everything else I agree with.

  4. I disagree with the whole Kayuga rant. She was never the inventor of ninjutsu. Her lack of Jutsus reflects her lack of knowledge of ninjutsu. Just take the tailed beast for example. They all have special chakras but without a real host, they cannot perform more than a few Jutsus. Kayuga is the perfect definition of a demon or tailed beast for that very reason.

  5. >”Sasuke and Itachi are prime examples of this”

    Are we reading the same manga? Did you miss the entirety of the Kage Summit Arc? Where Sasuke kept getting upgrades the more deranged he became? What? Sasuke is perhaps the single worst Uchiha, but it’s okay because it’s in his genes

    >”Everyone, not just the uchiha, goes through this”

    No, this is stated to specifically be an Uchiha thing. Tobirama explained it clearly. The Uchiha get attached to something, it goes, and then they flip out and become murder hobos. We’ve seen it happen onscreen many times. The only “good” Uchihas (re: ones that never fucking become murder hobos) are Shisui and Kagami Uchiha. That’s 2 Uchihas out of EVERY Uchiha that has ever been onscreen. They’re a threat to everyone and everything around them because it’s in their GENES for them to go crazy and become homicidal psychoes.

    And what makes them even worse is that that crazy evil brain chakra makes them more powerful the more insane and deranged they become. It’s a fucking stupid retcon that only muddies the manga’s already-muddy story.

    >”I guess to summarized my point, this ‘curse of Hatred’ may influence their abilities, but it doesn’t have as much weight to their actions as you think it does.”

    It’s not about power or abilities. I never even mentioned that in my post. This is about the retcon being stupid. It’s Kishimoto’s excuse for why the Uchihas are so fucking insane, and it is meant to make us feel sympathy for them, but it fails to do so on so many levels. You used a Star Wars comparison, so I shall as well. Remember the Sith Race? Would you wrong someone for wiping all of them off the face of Korriban? No? Well I don’t wrong anyone for the Uchiha massacre. The Uchiha Clan is at the center of every single major conflict in the ninja world.

    >”I disagree with the whole Kayuga rant. She was never the inventor of ninjutsu. Her lack of Jutsus reflects her lack of knowledge of ninjutsu. ”

    Cool. Good thing I never mentioned that. I talked about her using her Rinnegan’s powers. Because, you know, it’s a BLOODLINE trait, meaning these aren’t specific techniques. They’re not “ninjutsu,” they’re “bloodline abilities.” Everyone with a Rinnegan should be able to use Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin. She would’ve won just by using either. Or just trapping Naruto and Sasuke in separate dimensions and killing Obito.

    She’s said to have all bloodlines too, and we see her use Shikotsumyaku, so that just presents even MORE ways she could’ve won. Kaguya is a shit-tier villain.

  6. Wow good post Kisuzachi. I was trying to find something in their to debate about but I got nothing. I agree with everything.

    I was just sitting here thinking about Naruto and the question that came to my mind was, “what is Naruto about?” In the beginning it was about a guy named Naruto and his dream of becoming Hokage. Sounds easy enough but at this point in the manga, that question of “what is Naruto about” still eludes me. I mean the whole “hokage” thing seems so irrelevant now in the wake of what happen.

    If you start out reading the war arc from beginning to end, it feels like you are reading to different mangas. It starts off like a normal ninja war then ends up in who knows where. Obito went from super villain to hero, Madara started off edo tensei, to super villain who planned it all, only to get used by a guy he didn’t even know was using him. The SOSP went from shinobi legend to immortal demigod who just so happens to run low on chakra when things are getting bad. Naruto and Sakura has no character development. A lot of elements were introduced that didn’t help the plot whatsoever. (Example being how Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura each respectfully used the 3 Sannis summoning techniques trying to simulate them as predecessors. Another one would be Kakashi’s temporary power up given by our “never say die Uchiha” Obito.)

    Sitting here typing I can go on for awhile trying to figure out the war arc. It really started out good but in the end I think it was rushed. The reason I come back to read the manga is because with so much time invested I just want to see how it ends. Perhaps the question about “what is Naruto about?” will never be answered for me.

    Ohhh I did find something I disagree with you about your post Kisuzachi. Basically it’s this: “In Naruto, there are no villains.” All of them are misguided, met the wrong people, lost their dog, house, and everything else, never had someone use TALK NO JUTSU on them, never ate ramen, didn’t get to ask a girl out on a date, or in the case of the Uchiha’s were genetically drawn to the “dark side of the force.” I believe UTI said that the only real villain was Orochimaru. But even his actions have been questionable as of late.

  7. Welcome back kisu.

    Great post. I agree with everything said. Right now it’s just going through the motions of a manga. Hopefully this fight won’t be as lame as the war arc. So many great ninjas (well what we thought were great ninjas) had their legends completely obliterated. Orochimaru and Nagato are still the two beat villain-esque characters so far. Notice I said villain-esque because no-one has been a true villain who is truly evil. Now it looks like there is going to be a third part from the upcoming new movie. I just really don’t see how it’s going to work. If there is going to be a new part , it’s going to turn out worse than dragonball gt.

    Once again, good post Kisu, and great points made.

    I do have one question for you though. What do you think about this possibility of a new story, and how could it possibly improve on the overall story? The only way I see this working is if we scrap everything and just start anew with a totally new plot.

    At this point, I think he’s just trying to copy the Dragonball franchise, and have a thee

  8. Honestly, I don’t even like this manga anymore (remember when I did and there were posts from me on basically a weekly basis? Good times…). I’m kinda just reading to see the ending, and it’s been that way since Naruto and Bee vs Raikage years ago.

    I don’t care for The Last and its continuation of the story either. That series of movies will probably end up as bad as GT was, except worse because Kishi wrote the characters so awfully the past few years, whereas Toriyama left GT to start at a good place.

    The only Naruto thing I enjoy are the Storm games (they’re a guilty pleasure lol), to be quite honest.

    That was a very good post, Immortal. I wish I had had the time to visit and post on a weekly basis like back in the day. That way I could chronicle how I felt about this Arc from the start.

  9. Ah yes, the good days. When Bob was here, and everyone could have healthy arguments of what would come next, and not the agreeabiity upon how bad this whole second part has been over the last few years -_-.

  10. @UchihaTheInfamous

    I remember all the debates on Narutohurricane.com. The forum got so much traffic Bob had to move us to WordPress. It was so much fun in those days. Theories about how nature manipulation worked, etc. those things mattered then.

    I feel like Kishi either was rushed for some reason or he had no idea how to get to the ending he had envisioned. Oh well we wait for it to die a slow death.

  11. I agree with Kayuga having bloodlines but she’s still a goddess demon. Without someone telling her what to do like in her case, a black Zetsu, she does not think as rationally as a human. She was said to be the acual ten tailed Juubi and the traits that all tailed beast share is their lack of knowledge without a real host. Saying that Sasuke and Naruto could’ve been defeated if she had trapped them seperately in different dimension is expecting too much from a Demon. Demons don’t think or behave like humans. Unlike Madara and Obito who are humans, Kayuga is not and does not show hardly any emotions or personality. Her traits is more in line as a beast, an animal, a tailed beast or like I mention before, a demon.

    Kayuga does not have a rinnegan. Just like the ten tail Juubi, she does not posses one. She only has byakugan and a sharingan for eyes. Her sons were the ones that was born with a rinnegan. Kayuga has never posses a rinnegan and will never use any of it’s ability. The idea of her using shinra Tensei would be impossible. She does not possess that kind of bloodline. No where in the manga does she have rinnegan as eyes.

  12. @nss

    She has the exact same eye as Sasuke and the juubi. It’s the ultimate form of the sharingan and rinnegan put together.

  13. @uchihaTheInfamous
    Kayuga does not have a rinnegan nor does the Juubi. The giant sharingan on top of the Juubi and Kayuga is a RED sharingan. Sasuke sharingan/rinnegan is the only prototype for being BLUE with the sharingan markings.

  14. Kayuga- sharingan and byakugan
    No rinnegan
    http://images.saiyanisland.com/showphoto.php?photo=15451

    Juubi- sharingan
    No rinnegan
    http://images.saiyanisland.com/showphoto.php?photo=12365

    Neither possess a rinnegan. Both the manga and anime shows the Juubi with a sharingan.

  15. (Make sure to remove the ads on the page to see the photo. The link I’ve posted above is the manga cover of naruto).

  16. @ Kizu

    Welcome back. The only reason why I use to read this blog was to hear your logical, rational breakdown of the series and because everything you put in your post is the same damn things I been thinking…

    @Nss7

    You sure are REACHING I tell you…

    Taken from the Naruto Wikia

    Rinnegan

    “Kaguya wields her Rinnegan as a third eye on her forehead, which is red in colour and contains several concentric circles and nine tomoe.[27] Her third eye also grants her the Sharingan’s powers,[3] such as seeing the flow of chakra, casting and easily recognising genjutsu, heightened powers of perception as well as the ability to copy techniques. The eye once enabled, allowed Kaguya to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

    With her third eye, Kaguya is also able to instantaneously teleport herself and others around her to a different dimension, while simultaneously erasing the presence of their chakra.[28] Similarly, Kaguya is able to open and travel through rifts in space as a means of instantaneous travel”.

    So YES she had the RINNEGAN {-_-}

  17. “I agree with Kayuga having bloodlines”

    It’s not something for you to “agree with,” it was stated in-series. It’s canon that she has all bloodlines. It is also canon that she has the Rinnegan, except hers is on her forehead.

  18. @writer kisuzachi
    First of all,kudos for stepping up and doing a review about something lately its just being ‘its out’ post and it was getting kind of dull around here
    Now it’s time for me to do a little reviewing myself.

    “Yes, yes, I know the title is woefully inaccurate”

    I wish the title was the only thing that’s woefully inaccurate but as it is only 30% of your well-done review is accurate, the rest 70% is either FALSE,POINTLESS/BIASED or shows your POOR UNDERSTANDING of the manga. I’ll discuss your inaccuracies in these three parts

    F̶̲̥̅̊ALSE»»
    “Obitohad the power of Shinra Tensei on his side. Shinra Tensei’s power, according to the third databook, is to dispel ninjutsu, and we see Pain do that to the Rasenshuriken multiple times in the fight against Naruto. Naruto and Sasuke’s final attack against him wouldn’t have worked if he just [bleep]ing remembered he could use that.”×

    Now now nobody said that obito could use shinra tensei and as proof he never used it not even once.as for the reason(if there should be one)he may have needed both pair of rinnegan to perform that level of jutsu,we saw how powerful madara got from implanting his second rinnegan,spamming twice as much limbo clones and NO! Obito couldn’t implant both due to chakra problems as he clearly stated. now I said all this completely ignoring the fact that shinra tensei couldn’t possible repel naruto and sasuke final attack.it couldn’t repel a charging 4-tailed kyubi not to mention naruto and sasuke susano’d kurama konoha 11 haki powered super sword slice

    “He had the time to run and intercept Kaguya’s bones, and then Kamui away the one fired at Kakashi.”×

    ooook?so you are saying he commited sucide and he had another choice.I wanted to carry this to the poor-understanding section, but It should have been clear as crystal,so its just false really,if you actually read the chapter and not some I don’t know,wiki summary?Nevertheless…In that scenario everything was in slow-motion,kaguya bones were shot at high speed from close maybe mid-range and intended to hit its target at the “same time”,now I don’t know how fast an exhausted obito(who just gorged his eye out hijacking kaguya dimensions!!)can spam a kamui but my guess is not fast enough to open two portals.

    “Madara is not this character. He toyed around with everyone, despite constantly mentioning “it’s time to get this over with.” Since this plan just requires him to activate a jutsu,”×

    Another false point,no doubt madara loves to get into and enjoy his battles but by no means does he let that get in his way or never did he choose to toy with his opponet than finish things up when his PIECES are in place.
    For proof and example
    _After the edo-tensei was released and he reanimated himself(piece set),I don’t think I saw any more fight just a thorough beat down and tsunade cut in half,he didn’t even wait to finish them off before proceeding to his plan
    _then, when he looked like he toyed with naruto and bee,he only held back because he wanted the jinchuuriki alive while waiting for his revival
    _both times when obito was weakened he wasted no time in reviving himself and when he came back and got his rinnegan(piece set) after a little scuffle with the bijuu he was able to seal their asses in a minute with just three moves wasting no time in killing naruto and sasuke in the process .the same thing when he got his second rinnegan(piece set) he just dropped meteors(I mean plenty meteors which they dealt with),ignored them and attended to his plan.
    so frankly Kizu, I don’t know where you get the idea that madara toys instead of getting to the point definitely not from this manga
    I’m gonna adresss the “poor understanding and pointless/biased”parts of your review so stay tuned….

  19. …Continuing
    PȪOR UŊDERSTANDING»»
    “It isn’t about Rin. THIS IS FOR KILLING RIN!”

    This has been going on for quite a while.its a bit tricky probably due to translations. this conflict comes from two of kakashi’s and obito conversation quoting
    Kakashi:”how did this happen,why didn’t you comeback to konoha?
    Obito:why?that would be “because” you let rin die
    2nd conversation
    Obito: you are more pathetic than I thought if you think this is ‘all about’ rin
    Two words,” because” and “all about”,obito became exploited and evil because rin died,however the world(the hate breeds hate)ninja system killed rin,making obito angry at the world and vulnerable to madara’s ideology,that this world is fake and there’s a better world and he’s willing to change it to just that.yes rin and his happy team minato are his motivation but this is ‘all about the world’ that killed rin
    Bringing it to a more realistic scale,take batman for example,(although he took a sort of different path)bruce only became batman because his parent were killed right in front of him,because of that he decide to change gotham.if someone were to ask him,”why exactly are you batman?”he’d answer”because my parents were murdered and I realized how sh*tty this city is”..if he goes on to ask”so this is all about your parents??”I’m pretty sure batman would say NO! This is about changing gotham to a better place(some ppl may argue that,some villians even told him to his face that what’s really doing is a temper tantrum for his parents but that’s just personal opinion and left for audiences to decide.

    kaguya
    “This “character” was introduced as the true final boss, supplanting the one that had been built up since the start of part 2. Before she took center stage as the big bad, she had only been mentioned in passingtwice(her debut mention being in 646), and then 33 chapters later, she replaces Madara as big bad.”

    Hey not my favourite of characters too, but I don’t think you get kaguya,she didn’t just “pop” out of no where,she is the product of a twist,we’ve all known the juubi as the most powerful big bad,it turns out kaguya and the juubi are one not seperate entities.more like the juubi in a human form with consciousness hence her lack of human trait and ‘character’.(if you ask me she made half a debut with obito at the breif moment,when he didn’t know who he was).
    There’s a point,nay lots of points in what Nss7 says about kaguya
    -i won’t call kaguya’s 3rd eye a rinnegan nor a sharingan,its more like the rinnegan and sharingan put together maybe a ultimate rinnegan
    -kaguya lacks knowledge of ninjutsu shinra tensei,bansho tenin were all ninjutsu,they were bloodline but ninjutsu(you wouldn’t say oonoki bloodline dust particle is not a ninjutsu now will you?). The rinnegan is like a raw material,you just process a jutsu from.take the asura path,a complete rip-off of puppetry ninjutsu or better still animal path summoning jutsu,did you expect kaguya to summon animals too??….all senju had the(earth and water) bloodline limit but where they all able to convert it to ninjutsu and spam wood jutsu?.I don’t remember kaguya doing any of the pain’s justu so I don’t know why you’d expect kaguya to start doing ninjutsu all of a sudden that would be the plothole,

    But let’s say she had shinra tensei and bansho tenin did she really need them?when she had that shock wave fist that shattered sasuke susano and lethal disintegrating bones.did she need to use bansho tenin to get close,when she could just open a dimension right between their ears and didn’t she try just grabbing them,didn’t work out well as naruto tapped out and drawing them close is a two-edged sword as they are also looking to grab her,the only decision was to beat them which she couldn’t cuz they were strong as hell.
    I’ll answer the rest real quick

    “Why can he break free of Edo Tensei, being used by a ninja that has mastered it beyond anything any before him have, while Tobirama, the man who made it, cannot break free of an inferior Edo Tensei?”

    I don’t know, maybe because the ninja that has super mastered it was busy getting caught up in a genjutsu and releasing the jutsu and absolutely had no control or idea of what’s going on

    “Why can Madara just pull out people’s eyes and pop ‘em into his eye sockets without any medical ninjutsu?”

    You tell me,do ppl who can regenerate automatically need any medical ninjutsu

    “Why does Madara have instant mastery over every technique, whether bloodline-related or not (do remember it took Kakashi years to be able to use Kamuito a degree that is less than Obito can)?”

    Do remember kakashi is not an uchiha and also it took kakashi years to ‘master’ kamui not years to spam a single one,the sharingan has be likened to a weapon if an uchiha, madara had the chakra, knowledge and all,what’s left to pull the trigger.
    Ok that’s all you’ll get the last section after the commerials…☺

  20. POINTƪESŚ/BIĄSED»»
    “Evil brain chakra”
    I really don’t know where this came from,no-one asked for a scientific explanation about the MS,nevertheless kishi gave it anyway,I don’t know why kishi spoils fans with explaining any and almost everything,it only makes them pissed whwn they don’t get one.
    Okay I knew tobirama said something about brain chakra but I don’t remember the chakra being labeled “evil”,that’s a biased opinion of yours.the chakra was labeled “special” that changes the shape of the eye,however if and only if the person falls to darkness,he draws from this SPECIAL chakra rapidly that makes him stronger,so the lesson here is that HATE MAKES UCHIHAS STRONGER. not NOT CHAKRA MAKES UCHIHA EVIL so that whole topic and nazi comparison is just off

    “Almighty push”
    You seem to like shinra tensei maybe a bit too much first you blame obito for not using it,then you go ahead and blame madara and kaguya too.sorry, there was a time when shinra tensei was the most powerful jutsu but after this war with the debut of
    Gai’s gate evening elephant and night moth
    Supersized tailed beast bomb
    Hashirama giant bitch slaps statue
    Madara perfect susano sword slash
    Truth seeking balls
    Limbo….with all these jutsu shinra tensei is so 2000 and late,sage mode naruto could take S.T no sweat,4 tailed kyubi could counter it no.sweat and even katsuyu could survive a 5 minutes charged shinra tensei ya,no sweat,why would madara use that in place of limbo which repelled all 9 tailed beast.

    “To me obito was the coolest guy”
    This line pissed me off too I was like wtf cooler than jiraiya? But I realised its just me being biased.naruto talk no jutsu has being about hate breeding hate from the beginning so why should he ignore all his philosophy now.kishi is not trying to make him redeemed,obito said by himself he couldn’t be redeemed and any hateful world you’ve got for him, am pretty sure black zetsu said more

    “How did Kaguya lose? She got blindsided by attacks from all angles. How is this even possible when she has the Byakugan? She should’ve seen them coming and be able to react accordingly.”

    Kaguya was blindsided by kakashi’s genius strategy as are all villians,the fact that you can see an attack doesn’t mean you can dodge it,that’s what kakashi aimed for and using his kamui ability it was possible.there was no way naruto and team could defeat with raw power she had more of that.if you don’t like the way she was defeated,it’ll be your personal opinion it doesn’t make the manga story dull,maybe you could write a more exiciting fanfic

    “Now, what if Kaguya was a competent villain and just wanted to kill them? Well that’s easy too! Trap each of them in a separate dimension and wait for about 60 days. They’d die of hunger and she would be queen of the world. Now, if we factor in that she really wants their chakra, she could instead wait 20 days. They’d be tired, starving and too weak to fight. Boom, you just won.”

    So that would be your fanfic the big bad villian who has being giving all the power and her opponets are clearly dangerous but inferior.so she with the power of god would wait for 20,no 60 days for her obviously weaker opponent to starve and tire before attacking,wow so exciting.
    Ok so that’s all my rant to your rant. ₱ȇace

  21. Just one more thing,I don’t why naruto is the only one that gets bombarded with pointless questions I mentioned kishi spoiling his readers with too much answers.oda barely gives answers to his readers
    For example-
    Why doesn’t sanji clothes burn during diable jamble?
    How does the nami climatact work exactly
    How the freaking hell did franky perform a surgery on himself removing his insides and replacing it with iron,again BY HIMSELF!
    How does a ship run on cola?
    How does brook drink tea when he’s a skeleton?
    Lastly I’m an anime only fan of one-piece but luffy just cried about seeing sabo,I don’t if he’s giving a good explanation in the manga(knowing oda he just might not give any),but why would he let ace be in prison why luffy suffered to save him,then the war he wasn’t there only to come back for dead ace fruit?

  22. @Sannins I’m in the middle of work so I can’t comment fully, but about your explanation for almighty push, in the right hands it can still be an extremely useful attack. True, Pain’s shinrei tensei failed against naruto in his tailed beast mode during the invasion, but he was in his weakened state. He used plenty of chakra during the attack on the leaf village, and he only had one path left, which took a good beating during the fight, so it’s no surprise to me it failed. Also, Madara was able to repeal all the tailed beasts at once with his invisible shadow clone using almighty push, and Sasuke was able to capture them all instantly using shinrei tensei as well. They both only had one rinnegan at the time. My guess is obito wasn’t powerful enough to use the jutsus to their capacity like those two were. Obito was no longer able to use his eyes abilities when he became the ten tailed host, and yet Madara had no issues(probably he was stronger and they were his eyes), and Sasuke was augmented by Hagoromo’s power.

    We’ll see when sasuke an naruto fight for sure, since he’ll probably use everything he has to win.

  23. “Now now nobody said that obito could use shinra tensei and as proof he never used it not even once.as for the reason(if there should be one)he may have needed both pair of rinnegan to perform that level of jutsu”

    Do you see the irony in your post? There’s so much of it I’m getting poisoned. First of all, we were never told you need both Rinnegan to use its powers. Secondly, we know Obito does have access to the paths, since he planned on using Human Realm earlier.

    The burden of proof that he couldn’t use Shinra tensei is on you, and saying “we know he couldn’t because he didn’t” is both a bad argument and a silly way to think. I guess Kakashi doesn’t know over a thousand jutsu because he’s never used that many? Or the Kyubi doesn’t have infinite chakra because it’s never spammed Bijudama at everything? Or Tobirama didn’t know Edo Tensei because we never saw him use it? I could go on, but the point has been made.

    “now I said all this completely ignoring the fact that shinra tensei couldn’t possible repel naruto and sasuke final attack.it couldn’t repel a charging 4-tailed kyubi not to mention naruto and sasuke susano’d kurama konoha 11 haki powered super sword slice”

    Lol.

    This thing I quoted makes perfect sense if you operate under the premise that every attack is the same power level regardless of who is using it… except that isn’t the case in Naruto. Unless you also believe Konohamaru’s Rasengan is as strong as Tailed Beast Mode Naruto’s Rasengan? I hope you don’t actually believe that.

    We know for a fact that Shinra Tensei is scalable in power depending on how much chakra you put into it. Nagato destroyed Konoha when he put actually power behind his Shinra Tensei, and threw the frogs miles away with a weaker one, AND somehow manages not to break every bone in Sage Mode Naruto’s body when he uses it. Why? Because Shinra Tensei’s power is dependent on how much chakra you put behind the attack. Considering Obito and Madara has the Juubi, they had INFINITE chakra to put behind it, but never did for some reason (ie. Kishi’s a bad writer).

    “ooook?so you are saying he commited sucide and he had another choice.I wanted to carry this to the poor-understanding section, but It should have been clear as crystal,so its just false really,if you actually read the chapter and not some I don’t know,wiki summary?Nevertheless…In that scenario everything was in slow-motion,kaguya bones were shot at high speed from close maybe mid-range and intended to hit its target at the “same time”,now I don’t know how fast an exhausted obito(who just gorged his eye out hijacking kaguya dimensions!!)can spam a kamui but my guess is not fast enough to open two portals.”

    What are you even saying there? Let me break this down for you. Try to keep up.

    1. Kaguya shot her bones.

    2. Obito and Kakashi are fast enough to intercept the bones before they hit Naruto and Sasuke.

    3. Obito uses Kamui on the bone headed for Kakashi.

    That’s 2 actions taking place before Obito got hit. Now this is the tricky part. Imagine if instead of running to intercept the bones, Obito instead Kamui’d both of them away. Kamui is faster than a ninja can travel since it is instantaneous, meaning there would be even more time to get the two bones. This is common sense.

    “Another false point,no doubt madara loves to get into and enjoy his battles but by no means does he let that get in his way or never did he choose to toy with his opponet than finish things up when his PIECES are in place.”

    That’s really cool.

    So… since he doesn’t mess around when it comes to his plan, why didn’t he do this more?

    And why didn’t he actually kill the Alliance when he and Obito were on the Jubi? Did you even read the manga? They both gave Naruto and the army multiple chances instead of just hitting them with a volley of Jubi-level Bijudama.

    “After the edo-tensei was released and he reanimated himself(piece set),I don’t think I saw any more fight just a thorough beat down and tsunade cut in half,he didn’t even wait to finish them off before proceeding to his plan”

    The Kage fight only lasted as long as it did because, again, Madara decided to dick around instead of doing the meteor thing.

    “then, when he looked like he toyed with naruto and bee,he only held back because he wanted the jinchuuriki alive while waiting for his revival”

    A competent villain, like Pain, even when holding back so as to not kill Naruto decided that maybe he should break a few bones and beat him down. Do remember Madara didn’t need the Kyubi and Hachibi to awaken the 10 tails OR start the infinite Tsukuyomi, since he already had their chakra from the tentacle and the KinGin brothers.

    “both times when obito was weakened he wasted no time in reviving himself and when he came back and got his rinnegan(piece set) after a little scuffle with the bijuu he was able to seal their asses in a minute with just three moves wasting no time in killing naruto and sasuke in the process .the same thing when he got his second rinnegan(piece set) he just dropped meteors(I mean plenty meteors which they dealt with),ignored them and attended to his plan.”

    What are you even saying there.

    I don’t know, but I see “Naruto” and “Sasuke” so I’ll assume it’s after they get their Sage boosts. That only happened because he was busy dicking around instead of dropping meteors. When he does decide to start meteoring, it’s too late because his opponents had gotten on a level where they could destroy them.

    “Two words,” because” and “all about”,obito became exploited and evil because rin died,however the world(the hate breeds hate)ninja system killed rin,making obito angry at the world and vulnerable to madara’s ideology”

    Now, use your brain. Who is at the root of Obito’s motivation? Rin. Regardless of how you spin it, or how you argue it, Rin is at the center of his motivations: it’s ALL about Rin. Why does he hate the ninja world? Because it let Rin die. Why does he reject reality? Because Rin died. Why is he such a terribly-written character? Because Kishimoto is either a hack or doesn’t ca… I MEAN RIN!

    Also, when going for “realistic” examples, Batman isn’t the best place to go. See, Batman is as insane as the villains he fights. His character is all about his parents: or rather, the fact that they were killed. Batman gets a letter from Flashpoint Thomas Wayne? Batman breaks down into tears. Batman takes his fight against crime to a level where the crime rate in his city is down to 0 and just jaywalking will land you in the slammer? He gets asked if that’s a city his parents would’ve wanted, and he completely changes what he’s doing and joins the “bad’ guys.

    “Hey not my favourite of characters too, but I don’t think you get kaguya,she didn’t just “pop” out of no where,she is the product of a twist,”

    Cool, except the part where I mentioned that she had been previously mentioned 33 chapters before her debut. Anyway, her being “a twist” doesn’t justify her awful character. If things being “twists” made them instantly acceptable, that means M. Night Shyamalan must be the greatest director in movie history.

    This arc, especially the latter half, has had TOO MANY twists, and for the silliest reasons.

    “e’ve all known the juubi as the most powerful big bad,it turns out kaguya and the juubi are one not seperate entities.”

    Cool. What does that have to do with her being an awful character and an awful final boss?

    “-kaguya lacks knowledge of ninjutsu shinra tensei,bansho tenin were all ninjutsu,they were bloodline but ninjutsu(you wouldn’t say oonoki bloodline dust particle is not a ninjutsu now will you?”

    The Third Tsuchikage has a Kekkei Tota, which was never adequately explained, so he’s not a good comparison to draw from.

    Here’s what we know:

    1. Sasuke has an eye that looks exactly the same as Kaguya’s, and it is a Rinnegan.

    2. Ninjutsu didn’t exist when the Sage of Six was alive, yet he could do Chibaku Tensei and seal the Jubi in the moon. He complains about people taking his Ninshuu and warping it into Ninjutsu.

    3. You’re gonna sit here and argue that she didn’t know how to use the Rinnegan’s abilities, right? Except she does know techniques, since she could warp in and out of dimensions. Sasuke has not had any training with his Rinnegan, yet instantly after getting it, he could use Chibaku Tensei. Likewise, when Nagato activated the Rinnegan, he killed a Stone Ninja with 0 ninja training.

    “The rinnegan is like a raw material,you just process a jutsu from.take the asura path,a complete rip-off of puppetry ninjutsu or better still animal path summoning jutsu,did you expect kaguya to summon animals too??”

    What are you even saying there. She doesn’t need to summon animals when she can use Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin, or any of the other bloodline abilities she had (re: all of them).

    “all senju had the(earth and water) bloodline limit but where they all able to convert it to ninjutsu and spam wood jutsu?”

    I don’t think you understand the manga you’re so desperately grasping at straws to defend. Hashirama’s wood is unique to him because it’s a mutation or some such nonsense. I don’t see how this helps your counter argument (re: it doesn’t).

    “.I don’t remember kaguya doing any of the pain’s justu so I don’t know why you’d expect kaguya to start doing ninjutsu all of a sudden that would be the plothole,”

    Because, and try to keep up, SHE HAS A FUCKING RINNEGAN. Sasuke has a Rinnegan and is busting these techniques out. Tobi had a Rinnegan and used the Six Path’s of Pain and was gonna use Human Realm on Kabuto. There is ZERO fucking reason to believe she couldn’t use these techniques that the Rinnegan bestow on its user.

    “But let’s say she had shinra tensei and bansho tenin did she really need them?”

    Considering she lost? Yeah, she probably should’ve used them.

    “I don’t know, maybe because the ninja that has super mastered it was busy getting caught up in a genjutsu and releasing the jutsu and absolutely had no control or idea of what’s going on”

    I don’t think you are using your reasoning ability here. Madara, for some unknown reason, knows how to escape Kabuto’s perfected Edo Tensei, which didn’t exist in the world until Kabuto did it. Tobirama, meanwhile, can’t escape a weaker Edo Tensei, despite being the person that invented it. This doesn’t add up. Madara should’ve been reduced to ash like all the other Edo zombies.

    “You tell me,do ppl who can regenerate automatically need any medical ninjutsu”

    Lolwut. So plopping in an eye that isn’t his own somehow works? How can you regenerate what wasn’t there?

    “Do remember kakashi is not an uchiha”

    You don’t read this manga, I’m sure. The only problem encountered when a non-Uchiha uses a Sharingan is massive chakra drainage. Madara being an Uchiha just means it wouldn’t drain away his chakra, not instantly master the technique.

    “Okay I knew tobirama said something about brain chakra but I don’t remember the chakra being labeled “evil”,that’s a biased opinion of yours”

    “HATE MAKES UCHIHAS STRONGER. not NOT CHAKRA MAKES UCHIHA EVIL so that whole topic and nazi comparison is just off”

    Go read the manga. Re-read my post. Read the manga. Re-read my post.


    “Evil Brain Chakra” is a funny term one of my friends coined. It’s “evil” because it creates a chakra that sends an Uchiha spiraling down into a life of murder hoboing. It compels them to become more and more psychotic to get more and more power, and it apparently happens frequently enough to be well-documented. That’s generally evil. But if debating semantics is your thing, consider it “Special Brain Chakra,” and what this sure as hell doesn’t do is negate any of my points on it.

    “You seem to like shinra tensei maybe a bit too much first you blame obito for not using it,then you go ahead and blame madara and kaguya too.sorry, there was a time when shinra tensei was the most powerful jutsu but after this war with the debut of”

    What are you even saying?

    The Shinra Tensei is the most powerful jutsu in this manga bar none because it perfectly scales with the user’s power.

    “But I realised its just me being biased”

    I don’t think you realize what ‘bias’ means. It’s a stupid line because Obito was an evil bastard. It’s spitting on all the people he’s killed and lives he’s ruined. And Kishimoto not redeeming him? When villains don’t get redeemed, they die with the story treating them like bad guys, but Kishimoto clearly, and I mean FUCKING CLEARLY intends for Obito to go out a good guy. Thus, Kishimoto redeemed him. He’s “the coolest guy,” after all.

    “So that would be your fanfic the big bad villian who has being giving all the power and her opponets are clearly dangerous but inferior.so she with the power of god would wait for 20,no 60 days for her obviously weaker opponent to starve and tire before attacking,wow so exciting.”

    Cool, so your argument is “not exciting enough”. K. I accept your concession.

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    Now with that out of the way, I don’t intend to reply to you further. Not only was your post condescending as all get out, you also didn’t make any valid points. This has all been a tremendous waste of my time, but I felt it necessary so you don’t sway any readers with your awful reasoning.

    Also, the main administrators of this blog are no longer around. I see that the people that are left are trying to keep this place alive, so don’t knock the “It’s Out!!!” posts. This is a community. You can all post if you want new content. Just email Pretend3r or whoever’s making the posts currently and have them post your article for you. I don’t have the time to stick around, else I’d be the one doing it for y’all. Remember, it’s up to the community to keep this place and the great memories we have of it alive. That is all.

  24. @kisu
    Your points on Kayuga is flat out wrong. Kayuga is not human. She can’t use the byakugan, rinnegan or sharingan abilities to the fullest because she does not have the human intelligent to be able to perform those Jutsus. She can’t speak more than a few words at a time or fully communicate to someone or she does not even speak at all. She doesn’t understand other people’s pain and suffering or her own emotions. She can’t negotiate. She doesn’t know how to reason. She doesn’t question anything. She doesn’t explain things herself or give a reason for anything. She doesn’t justify anything. She can’t give a talk no jutsu. She’s a demon and a tailed beast. Therefore, not a human and lacks humanistic intelligent.

    All tailed beast have massive chakra but they all lack human intelligents to perform wide variety of Jutsus, just like Kayuga. Most tailed beast would spam tailed beast bomb or are only capable of using a few Jutsus. Many of them cannot adapt to using new jutsu, combining jutsu to form new ones or invent new ones without a human host. Kayuga share the same principal as a tailed beast. She cannot perform many ninjutsu because she doesn’t know how to or she does not “understand” the concept of chakra or jutsu. Otherwise, the ten tailed would’ve spam rinnegan and all of the bloodline Jutsus. But since Kayuga and ten tailed are considered as one entity, their intelligent and behaviors are about the same. That without a human host, they can’t perform more complex and sophisticated type of Jutsus such as summoning a Gedo statue, using gravity push/pull, form meteors, use chidori or rasengan, Hyuuga’s 64 palm attack or spinning chakra shield, use 8 gates tai jutsu, shadow clones, etc etc. the point is she does not have the capacity to understand Jutsus or how to use them to be able to perform more Jutsus. We’ve seen this time after time with tailed beast that they cannot talk, understand or perform many Jutsus without a human. Human intelligence is what seperate Madara, Obito, Sasuke, and nagato from Kayuga. They all can perform rinnegan technique because they’re human and have the IQ to do so. Kayuga and the 10 tailed Juubi does not, so they can’t do those Jutsus alone.

  25. “Your points on Kayuga is flat out wrong. Kayuga is not human. She can’t use the byakugan, rinnegan or sharingan abilities to the fullest because she does not have the human intelligent to be able to perform those Jutsus.”

    What? No. Kaguya is as intelligent as any human. Did you miss those sentences she was able to form? Or the fact that SHE came up with the plan to free herself via Black Zetsu? Why would you even THINK she’s not of human intelligence? What manga were you even reading?

    ————

    See you all next year if this manga is still going.

  26. @ Kizu

    I’m glad that you had a rebuttal to the one poster because again you rationalize everything and put it in its proper context.

  27. @kisu
    Honestly I didn’t want to reply you either cuz my point I made were pretty clear. Your reply to me shows/proves nothing but reflects your absolute ignorance and blindness to correction.I wasn’t really eager to reply again because you are totally impervious to truth and corrections,why wouldn’t you be?you admitted to not liking the manga,I mean if I hated a movie or ptv show,I’ll just stare,fast forward or even sleep through it,seeing nothing but negative things but what I won’t do is claim to be a ‘know it all’,writing a biased review of what I hate and don’t understand,but for the sake of actual fans of the manga whom you are swaying I’ll say my two cents about your reply

    Seriously now,I take offense for you saying I knocked the “its out” post,pretend3r(not whoever) has been doing real good in bleach and helped us with the naruto comment,instead I was encouraging old and new writers to come on and that the naruto section would be dull without them

  28. Like I said,for the sake of saving actual fans from your ignorance,I say ignorance because only that will make you not see clear and simple facts like
    -a depleted obito who just exhausted his and sakura chakra,neither has the time to open two kamui portals nor chakra to make a big enough portal to intercept both of kaguya bones shot at high speed and meant to hit at the same time,he and kakashi sprinting were in manga slow motion, the whole ordeal happened in a second

    -or the simple fact that kabuto already released,get it? RELEASED edo tensei before madara could reanimate himself,unlike tobirama who was kept on a tight leash by a senju cell-strengthened oro of all ppl,if you still ask any question after this reason,its as silly asking,he created fireball jutsu,why did he get burnt when it was used him?

    -Also I stand by madara not wasting time,(your precious example Aizen is a perfect example of someone who wasted time and got his ass smacked for it not madara,madara actually killed,yeah! you know what I mean,killed naruto and sasuke)you keep saying meteors but didn’t all kage level and lot of jounins survive that technique last time,I guessed you missed the part when madara got better control of the juubi atlas, destroyed HQ and attempted to nuke the whole alliance or perhaps ignored it as usual.madara didn’t need all tailed beast but he wanted them either way,that aside why the hell would he drop a meteor which strong guys would most likely survive anyway,harming the juubi and himself that is so not tactical and that my friend is bad writing.

    -also about the rinnegan,you should revisit UTI and nss7 post.obito could not use shinra tensei pre-jinchuriki because of chakra problems and as a jinchuriki couldn’t use doujutsu at all same with madara not until he synchronized with shinju and perhaps got better control. you still haven’t answered my question of why you expect kaguya to use ninjutsu?maybe you expected the juubi to use shinra tensei too or maybe summon animals,hahahaha.why not it has a rinnegan doesn’t it?LOL(so6p is half human with his ninshu)

    -about madara transplanting eyes,your replies pretty proves my point,make me wonder why you don’t get it,ignorance maybe?
    “How can you regenerate what wasn’t there?”
    EXACTLY!so what if there’s an eye there,wouldn’t it freaking regenerate,why the hell would he need a medical ninjutsu
    “The only problem encountered when a non-Uchiha uses a Sharingan is massive chakra drainage.”
    EXACTLY,the only problem is chakra drainage,kakashi as your comparison didn’t have difficulty opening a kamui portal,instead his chakra depleted to almost zero when he did, not until he mastered it and could he do it frequently,just like the earth wall the alliance performed,they could all do earth wall but theirs was so much weaker and smaller than the real earth masters

    -evil brain chakra,the name isn’t the only thing wrong the base of that topic is wrong,read your freaking link for crying out loud,according to tobirama sci-fi explanation there are 3 stages
    Stage 1»uchiha loses a loved one making them despair (as would normal ppl)
    Stage 2»that love turns into hate,(as would normal ppl),like shikamaru avenging asuma and naruto against pain
    Stage 3»but here’s were the uchihas are special, there’s a SYMPTOM,special chakra is produced in the brain,which makes uchiha stronger as the hate grows
    Here you are putting stage 3 before stage two and upsetting the whole damn theory.Get it?if you still don’t then am really talking to a child.

    -lastly about obito being redeemed,I don’t believe obito is redeemed either but if you think the fact obito killed thousands but saved millions and the whole world is not enough to redeem him,that’s your personal opinion,just as you think he isn’t redeemed,there are also ppl who think he is redeemed.but don’t you dare push it on the author,the same author,which had naruto forgive him also had obito and zetsu say he isn’t redeemed.you know what’ll be extremely bad writing,is having naruto say “go to hell,I hope you rot and burn” after all his blah blah talk no jutsu blah.

  29. Correction to my last post don’t look at UTI post, ts dartuchiha,he was the smart one
    @dartuchiha&maybe kizu could draw some answers too
    No doubt shinra tensei is an extremely powerful jutsu but I have to disagree that it would have made any difference in obito,madara or kaguya’s fight outcome.
    Even if boosted by chakra,first of all shinra tensei may look like a shockwave jutsu but it isn’t,it is a gravity jutsu that repels and attract using the user as the center of gravity(the difference is you get the damage from a shockwave when it hits you but as for shinra tensei you get the damage when you are repelled and hit something like a wall).so if any boost is added it will only increase the repelling distance from the user not necesserily the power just like what happened at konoha the repelling distance was stretched to the fences,even if we treat it as shockwave that get immensely powerful,I doesn’t beats the truth-seeking balls in defence or massive tailed best bomb and kaguya shock waves and bones in offence or limbo in tactic capabilty.
    That aside from a writer point of view,when we here shinra tensei,we see pein/nagato,it was like his trademark. to have your second,third and fourth villian use it as their trademark too and not bust new more exciting ones is bad writing

    The only thing that made sense in this review is how kishi rushed the manga,that is completely true..
    if this whole black zetsu, uchiha tablet,kaguya and sasuke vs naruto plot were spread in seperate arcs with story built around each,it would have made a lot of sense,rather than everything occurring in one war,on one battlefield and in 4 freaking manga days,naruto storyline took a downhill because of this but it doesn’t fall face flat as you put it.
    Unfortunately that only made 30% or less of the review the rest being blah blah blah*am confused*blah blah blah*i hate this*blah blah blah*it should have happened like this* blah blah….PEACE

  30. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shinra_Tensei Actually increasing the amount of force the USER puts in to it increases its potency… In other words it can repel or it can destroy depending on the users preference and force put into it so theoretically a stronger user will yield a stronger tensei due to them being able to use more force into it than a weaker individual…. All I got to say on that one. The rest of the previous posts bah too much to have to correct

  31. @kisu
    You’re missing the point. What don’t you understand about Kayuga not being human? She doesn’t act or think like one and she never invented ninjutsu in the first place to use all the rinnegans abilities. Shinra Tensei is considered as a ninjutsu. Neither she or the Juubi can use shinra Tensei because they’re not human and weren’t inventors of that jutsu or the concept of Jutsus to begin with.

    (Black Zetsu)
    Black Zetsu isn’t acually Kayuga. I think you have confuse the two together. Black Zetsu is kayuga’s son and he address her as “mother.” Black Zetsu was the one that carried out the plan for Kayuga, not Kayuga herself. He plotted the whole scheme to bring her back to rule the world and he did all the talking for her. Just like the sage of the six paths, black Zetsu is just as intelligent but much more menacing. Some readers have even assume that black Zetsu May even be the sage of the six paths brother. However, the point is, Kayuga is not the human nor the most smartest creature or tailed beast that you’re making her out as. Black Zetsu is the one behind the whole plot.

  32. Black Zetsu is the son of Kayuga. He’s the intelligent one that wants to watch the world crumble. Kayuga aka 10 tail Juubi is not the smart one.
    http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/681/9
    http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/690/9

  33. @token
    What’s your point???it just seems you want to disagree with me so bad
    “Actually increasing the amount of force the USER puts in to it increases its potency…”

    Yeah,that’s true for every jutsu,no-one is having any argument about chakra and force increasing its “POTENCY”

    “In other words it can repel or it can destroy depending on the users preference and force”

    *sigh*yeah,The destruction comes from the repulsive force,I don’t know what you mean by repel “OR” destroy.

    “so theoretically a stronger user will yield a stronger tensei”

    Accurate!but that’s not what the argument is about…its about the nature of the jutsu,shinra tensei is a gravity-based repel technique,that doesn’t change no matter the chakra put into it.it repels farther and increasing its scale and force
    When chakra/force is added Naruto’s rasengan grows bigger and deals more damage,but it doesn’t become as deadly as a rasenshuriken. Naruto has loads of chakra in kurama mode but I don’t see him making rasengans the size of buildings,he just performs a tailed beast bomb.why?simple. because its more POWERFUL
    Now if we ASSUME the fact that obito and kaguya could do shinra tensei(not that they could)naruto being repel backward and smashed against a couple of wall and stones,would have done little or no damage to naruto’s cloak.sasuke would just escape by teleportation and be more than happy to counter the five seconds limit and there are so many ways to counter bansho tenin I can’t even count.

    If you really want to disagree with me(and be woefully inaccurate at the same time) just say
    -Almighty push isn’t a gravity-repel jutsu
    -or almighty push is stronger than truth seeking balls
    -or bansho tenin is more tactical and dangerous than kaguya coming out from between your ears
    -or S.T is powerful than kaguya’s susano’o shattering attacks

    ” All I got to say on that one. The rest of the previous posts bah too much to have to correct”
    By all means correct me,with “proof” from the manga anime or wiki,I’ll happy to eat my humble pie if you are right

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