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Jiraiya wins!!!?

Author: Mart1

The results are in people. Jiriya won, followed by Nagato, Naruto and Madara in that order. Sadly these are almost exactly the results I predicted at the start of the tournament with the exception of a few things. 1. I didn’t think Naruto would beat Madara 2. I didn’t know whether Naruto or Sasuke would make it to the final round (but knew it would be one of them) 3. I didn’t know Killer Bee and Mei Terumi would win their first round matches. Despite being completely predicted, the results did bring me some happiness, they were very close in the final round. Note: percents are given in the form challenger: #% of contestant/ #% of challenger.

Jiraiya: Four wins. (vs.); Nagato: 58/42, Naruto: 54/46, Madara 53/47. They were all within a few votes, I have to acknowledge Jiraiya as the winner, but I think in time all three of these have the chance to close the gap a bit. (even though Nagato’s dead we still haven’t seen his stats/databook entries, which can reveal a whole lot of information). Why do I think Jiraiya won? Well despite being tied for the highest (known) stats (with Itachi), He is a well rounded ninja, he has a jutsu for almost any situation, and though his jutsu FOR that situation might not be as strong as a ninja who specialized in jutsu for that situation, he can always change the situation because he is well suited to any. He isn’t my favorite ninja, but I like him, R.I.P. Jiraiya (until I can prove someone is stronger than you of course).

Nagato: Two wins, one loss. vs.; Jiraiya: 42/58 (loss), Naruto: 61/39, Madara: 59/41. I think he deserves his wins. I think he is a very powerful ninja, and there is little to say. For a little bit he was at the top of the ninja world and well deserves his top seat position.

Naruto: One win, two loss. vs.; Jiraiya: 46/54 (loss), Nagato: 39/61 (loss), Madara: 62/38. He’s 16. The next youngest to make it to the final four is Nagato who is at least twice his age. As the title character, he’s basically destined for greatness. I think he is quite close to surpassing Jiraiya (a large number of people admitted that if he learns to become symbiotic with the Nine-tails he would be stronger than him) and is probably the strongest fighter in the village. He definitely has a way to go before I would consider him for Hokage, but I believe he will reach it one day.

Madara: Three losses. vs.; Jiraiya: 47/53, Nagato: 41/59, Naruto: 38/62. This one surprised me a bit. I know we know little about Madara, and that some even question his identity, but he is still a highly skilled ninja. We often get lost in the large, flashy-dramatic ninjutsu that most Shinobi use. Next to people like Naruto, Nagato and Jiraiya who leave craters in their wakes after their battles, the subtle way that Madara fights seems… weak. But for those who question Madara’s strength, I have a question. What does it take to kill? A ball of flame? A huge swamp? Getting trapped by hundreds of pounds of rock? A rasengan? Sure those might kill (though we’ve seen ninja survive all of them). But all it REALLY takes is: a kunai, a well placed punch, or a good counter attack. Madara, as a ninja represents this idea. He doesn’t scream and run into battle, he plans, he calculates, and waits for the perfect opportunity to strike. This alone would make Madara formidable, but on top of that, he was (and possibly still is) one of the strongest ninja around in the leave-a-crater definition of strength. Onoki was certainly afraid, and he’s a Kage. Madara may not be as strong as he once was, but I have a feeling when his plans come to fruition, he will be much stronger.

With these results, I am left with the question, what do I think it would take to beat Jiraiya? Here are the ninja I think are the closest:

Itachi: I think Itachi lost to him because of Swamp of the Underworld. If Itachi had a way to neutralize this then he could probably beat Jiraiya. Another possibility is if Senjutsu was ineffective in neutralizing Tsukyoumi, we have no real way of knowing this and our only possibly solution to this is to see if Sasuke’s genjutsu is effective against Naruto’s Senjutsu.

Naruto: As I said above, most people think Kyubi control would put Naruto over Jiraiya, but Naruto already has massive chakras and some access to the Kyubi’s chakra, so I would go a different way, I want to see Naruto master a few more techniques. If Naruto had a few giant element attacks to counter Jiraiya’s I think Jiraiya wouldn’t be able to do much and something like FTG or knowledge of sealing ninjutsu would ensure his victory in my mind.

Nagato: It comes down mostly to what he said after he defeated Jiraiya, it’s a matter of opinion, but I think if Nagato could use big element jutsu in each type (since we know he has every type) and possibly a better look at Nagato fighting at full power, but really I just want to know his stats (which I expect to be 5 for all categories).

Madara: I pretty much explained this above… He just needs to show off more of his abilities.

As far as the bleach tournament goes here is what I’ve decided… 1. I will wait about a month 2. It will be just bleach 3. I will consider the AL’s input into my post (If you don’t know or can’t guess the acronym forget about it, it doesn’t concern you.) 4. It will be on bleach but I plan to promote it extensively on Shannaro in my own way.

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41 Responses

  1. first post *.*

  2. I think MANY of the VOTERS haven’t seen Nagato in action or they probably skipped through PAINS INVASION ARC, skipped through the WHOLE entire fight between PAIN & JIRAIYA, or maybe the voters are stuck on EPISODE 3. I was watching 159 today, and was thinking of changing my name to Rinnegan invasion, but it doesn’t have a ring to it, so I’ll stick to what I got.

    If Itachi wasn’t sick and didn’t cure about Konoha more than his own Clan. I think he can sweep the floor with Jiraiya. Probably not as quick & easy as Pain did. I think their fight will come down to whose smarter. Itachi wouldn’t Toy around with Jiraiya like he does Kakashi. I don’t hate Jiraiya, Let’s just say he’s not a main eventer. Pain proved he wasn’t unbeatable.

    Next time we vote there would be a new Sasuke, a new Naruto, new Kabuto, maybe a stronger Kakashi & Kisame.

  3. @Byakugan Invasion
    Funny you should say that, about changing your name, I was thinking of changing my name to JiraiyaPawnsAll or Jiraiya FTW, which one sounds better? Maybe people voted for Jiraiya because they chose to go on what people said in the manga, they also realized that Kishi must be getting rather desperate to finish the manga, to create such a good character and kill him of in such an anti-climatic way, it would have been better had Pain attacked the Konoha, Jiraiya faces him both are about evenly matched, results in the most epic battle ever, no gay anti-climatic endings, Jiraiya has the slight upperhand, Pain notices Naruto, tries to attack him, Jiraiya takes the attack, gets mortally wounded, Naruto is determined and fights an already weakened Pain, Pain retreats and Jiraiya tells him about his lineage and tells him about Sage Mode, Naruto trains and when Pain attacks he is ready. Kishi showed us only a glimpse of Jiraiya’s ability killing him of like that, why not have Pain attack him all out? Now that little storyline Kishi took will forever make me vote for Jiraiya, call it a little cloud in the story. Get my drift?
    Jiraiya Rules. FTW 8) Peaceout 😉

  4. @John: I vote JiraiyaFTW… I think Jiraiya fought to his max ability in the Pein fight. If he could have done it with some ace in the hole jutsu he would have used it. Jiraiya has several strong abilities, but he was backed into a corner, and had to rely soley on the toads to try and win. Without their genjutsu he wouldn’t have even stood a chance.

  5. Plus ASURA PATH (the path that died the most in Konoha lol) ripped Jiraiya’s arm off XD!!

  6. I will still agree with John, Pein himself said he wouldve lost if Jiraiya had not known the truth, im gonna take that exactly how that sounds, and about itachi being able to take him down, why would he be willing to kill kakashi but not Jiraiya if he could, he had a chance along with one of the strongest other shinobi in Kisame to help him take on Jiraiya but he didnt cause he feared the best he could do would end up in a stale mate, so im gonna go with what itachi says to be true.

  7. So what! Sasuke didn’t know anything about Danzo. Danzo didn’t know anything about Sasuke. Pain didn’t know nobody’s techniques when he invaded Konoha, but yet he destroyed everything. I could go on & on. Saying Jiraiya didn’t know the truth is the LAMEST excuse ever. Pain had the upper hand and Jiraiya wasn’t ready. If Itachi wasn’t a double agent I could see him beating Jiraiya, but Itachi was not trying to kill no one from Konoha. His purpose was to protect his brother, allowing his brother to kill him, giving Sasuke and Naruto powers, etc. We will never see Itachi vs Jiraiya because it didn’t go along with the storyline, but we got to see a glimpse of them together, and that resulted of Itachi burning through his summoning toad

    I hope Kabuto can use Jiraiya better than Jiraiya used himself. Kabuto FTW

  8. @walmart1 and Kisu
    Saying Jiraiya had no chance without the toads is a lie, that like saying that Itachi without his sharingan is nothing or that Nagato without his extra bodies is nothing, after Jiraiya discovered that each body could only perform one jutsu he immediately proceeded to defeat them, promptly, I might add. It’s a bit unfair to say that Jiraiya showed all he had, up until the point Jiraiya defeated the three bodies, Pain had not landed a single attack on Jiraiya, only after Jiraiya thought he won and was about to leave he gets blindsided, by Asura Path, and conveniently takes out his arm, the same Asura Path, who is no doubt, the strongest in terms of physical strength or raw power of the paths, the path, who in the anime took out the six tails in one shot. Nagato had all the time in the world to prepare, he had to time to switch his bodies around, while Jiraiya snooped around for info on Pain and after Konan tried in vain to stall him, I’m surprised Kisu is willing to call foul play on the Pain vs Naruto fight, but not on the Jiraiya vs Nagato fight, Pain clearly had the hometown advantage, he had alot of time to formulate strategy, he had Konan spar against Jiraiya, she failed miserably, he had time to sit in his chair and activate all his bodies, while Jiraiya on the other hand went in blindly, took out three bodies, found his tactics out, discovered his secret, that leaves me without a single doubt in my mind that had he not gotten his arm hacked of he would have continued fighting and eventually won, heck he had already discovered half of their powers. What it comes down to is that Nagato had extensive prep time, while Jiraiya had to infiltrate the village after a long travel, capture a couple of ninja and spar with Konan, among other things, and on top of that get drawn into battle. How can you Kisu be a supporter of such tactics when you are the leading arguer that Nagato shouldn’t have lost against Naruto, that Naruto had a whole lot of help and what not? It makes no sense. So yes JiraiyaFTW (AKA John)

    @Byakugan Invasion
    Sasuke didn’t need to know anything about Danzo, when he has Madara watching his ass, and Karin observing Danzo to uncover Danzo’s jutsu, kiddie gloves and careful chaperoning I say, not very ninja like I say, screaming and unleashing hidden Super Sayin powers provided by Kishi, and lets not forget that he had inside info on Danzo’s techniques thanks to Madara, an encyclopedia on jutsu and Karin who discovered Danzo’s Izanagi’s weakness, not a very valid comparison to Pain vs Jiraiya. Pain on the other hand had knowledge on Konoha, Akatsuki has a whole range of spies, Madara and Itachi are both former Konoha ninja and Orochimaru was as well, no doubt they sat around in circle time once in a while and discussed the villages. So Pain was not blind at all, he knew of Kakashi, knew Tsunades exploits from the war and stuff like that. Pain on the other hand was an enigma, he knew stuff on Jiraiya since all of Akatsuki seemed to fear Jiraiya, specially Kisame and Itachi, what more needs to be said? And last time I remeber the only time Jiraiya and Itachi were face to face Itachi and Kisame fled, the former having to use one of his strongest techniques to escape one of Jiraiya’s supplementary techniques, escape doesn’t equal victory and neither does weakened vision and body, even Itachi can’t keep using Amaterasu on an oncoming wall of flesh that seems to regenerate, look at what Kisame had to do to escape, he had to slash often and even then, the wall of flesh kept coming, needles to say they wouldn’t had escaped had Itachi not used Amaterasu on a weak section of the Toad Mouth Trap, so Jiraiya for the win. Kabuto is just a knockoff of Orochimaru nothing special, if anything Kabuto will lose control and Oro will come back. Jiraiya FTW!!!!!!.

    @Minatofan
    Glad to see someone gets it. 😉 That’s the great thing about Shannaro anyone can offer their opinion and comment on other’s opinions as well, I have seen many forums in which you have to sign up and be a member to place a response or pose a question or an opinion, there are many forums that are to exclusive and think Deidara is the strongest in the Narutoverse! how misguided is that, others think Kakuzu and yet others think Hidan, out of all the people Hidan! Very few forums choose Jiraiya, they give him to little credit, I found this forum, and I would only read the comments until I discovered anyone could post, that I could offer my own views, as well as, comment on others views, that’s why Shannaro is the best, freedom of speech and entertaining commentary on a manga and anime we all read. Jiraiya FTW enough said. 🙂

  9. “the same Asura Path, who is no doubt, the strongest in terms of physical strength or raw power of the paths, the path, who in the anime took out the six tails in one shot” so you’re admitting that the Asura Path is stronger than Jiraiya? O_O

  10. @John
    REALLY??? Akatsuki AFRAID of Jiraiya??? They have Nagato. Why would they be afraid of Jiraiya? Konan wasn’t afraid of Jiraiya. Maybe Zetsu and I say Maybe him because I don’t think Zetsu is the fighting type. Kisame on episode 85 deosn’t fear Jiraiya, and Jiraiya did nothing but stood there and get called a OLD MAN. Kisame also disrespects him by saying ” It’s hard to believe you’re one of the Great Sannin. Look at Itachi’s impression through the whole episode. He looks at Jiraiya just as Pain looked at Jiraiya when they fought. A foolish Old man who can’t hang with them. Itachi’s true intentions for coming to Konoha was not to fight Jiraiya or anyone else. He came to talk to the 3rd Hokage, and the elders to make sure Sasuke was safe. http://www.animefreak.tv/watch/naruto-episode-85-english-dubbed-online-free . Jiraiya and Itachi both have the same stats, but it will take Itachi a little longer to beat Jiraiya then Pain did. Give me a link or something that tells me Itachi was afraid of Jiraiya. Until then Nagato/Kabuto/Itachi FTW 😉
    I didn’t say escape equals victory. When was it shown in the Manga that Madara was giving Sasuke insight on Danzo moves??? Last time I checked Madara had kept Sasuke in another dimension along with Karin. Karin didn’t do nothing when Sasuke fought Danzo. Madara said he would kill her if she interfered. Madara didn’t do anything either to effect the fight, so what is your point? Sasuke didn’t know anything about Danzo. Danzo might have known SOMETHING from watching the chunin exams. Pain didn’t know Jiraiya could attack with his hair.LoL. JIRAIYA FANS PUT HIM ON A HIGH PEDISTAL. I know I put Kabuto on a High Pedistal, and you forget that Kabuto had abilities before he took Orochimaru’s power, so he isn’t a total rip off. Just wait until this War starts. Wasn’t Tsunade in 1 war?? Nagato was a kid then. He doesn’t know anything about Tsunade (aka the weakest Kage in Konoha). But then again Orochimaru was in Akatsuki, but whose to say Orochimaru mentioned Tsunade. They all could have been watching episodes of DBZ.

    Jiraiya isn’t all that sweet 2 me. Kabuto is going to use him right 😀 and Naruto is going to face him

  11. @Kisu
    You are too hopeful, I said “of the paths” meaning out of all of Pain’s bodies he has the most physical strength, again, out of all of Pains bodies, no doubt that if someone has a blade and you are not expecting it and you block at the last second even Jiraiya would lose an arm, having said that anybody would. To be clear Jiraiya would not have lost ;). Nice try Kisu. LOL

  12. Hinata sacrificed herself, so Naruto is suposed to be dead. Konan didn’t sacrificed herself. Jiraiya is no different then Pain when they both invaded each others village. They both had to go through people to get to their main target, Pain gave off more chakra then Jiraiya did. Nagato had 6 bodies to give Chakra. With or Without his Toad summons he still would have got beaten to death. As far as his arms goes, He should of never kept his guard down.

  13. @Byakugan Invasion
    Ready to get pawned. First, Kisame, may have insulted Jiraiya, but I thought it was funnier seeing Kisame run for his life, that just showed him eating his own words. I never said Konan was afraid, I said she was made to look like a noob by Jiraiya, who pawned her too. Funny how Itachi’s mouth was covered, for all we know his mouth could have been quivering, see how that works? Now here is a question I keep asking myself, if he only wanted to make sure the village was okay, then why did he waste his time looking for Naruto, who was in whole other town? Itachi had already made his point after pawning Kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma, Itachi had no idea Sasuke would be in the other town looking for Naruto, why risk Naruto like that for Kisame to injure? Why? Because his priority may have been Sasuke’s well being, why would he care about Naruto? Itachi at that point didn’t know Naruto and Sasuke were best friends or whatever, why go through all the elaborate scheming of trying to separate Jiraiya and Naruto, what purpose does it serve? According to Madara, Itachi placed Sasuke’s life above the village, therefore he would have no qualms taking Naruto, otherwise he would have just told Kisame that it wouldn’t be wise to battle with Jiraiya around, he just endangered himself for no reason, without any guarantee that Sasuke would show up. He would have taken Naruto to prove his loyalty to Akatsuki, if it were not for Jiraiya. Answer me why would he go through all that trouble just to fail, when he could have just told Kisame not right now. Having said that the reason is because he was worried about facing Jiraiya, I didn’t see Jiraiya back out in fact he outright called them out, until Sasuke showed up and got his ass whooped by Itachi, also if I remember correctly Itachi’s face was pretty much sweating with relief after having escaped.

    I don’t know, does Itachi look all cocky in this image? hell look at Kisame, he just crapped himself JK.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/03/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/07/

    lookie here…. he’s all tuckered out. 😉

    Here is Kabuto being scared of Jiraiya, look at his face priceless, you asked for a link well here you go.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/162/13/ 🙂

    Regarding Sasuke, you are completely wrong and I can prove it, here are instances in which Karin and Madara helped or warned Sasuke, Madara even almost had to interfere to save him. 8)

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/477/08/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/04/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/06/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/12/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/479/05/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/480/09/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/481/11/

    Does that answer you Sasuke vs Danzo comparison and why your point on Sasuke not having help being invalid. All the Sannin were in at least two wars, the Second and the Third shinobi war, so their is plenty of info going around, not to mention, they are known across the shinobi world, you greatly underestimate Tsunade’s prowess, I wouldn’t be surprised if she faced Kabuto during the war.You are right in one thing though, we Jiraiya fans put him in a high pedestal, but so do other fans with their respective characters, such as you with Kabuto, I’m pretty sure I alienate many when I say Jiraiya is the strongest, but it is my position nonetheless8) . So in short the only one who is FTW is Jiraiya, no one else. (except Sage Of Six Paths and The Third and The Fourth and Naruto, their allright even Itachi and Nagato honorable mention, not Kabuto though, I’m not too sweet on Kabuto 😉 )

  14. @Byakugan Invasion
    Jiraiya was completely different than Pain in his approach, Jiraiya was in no way harming non-ninja personal, comparing Hinata to a full fledged Akatsuki member like Konan is bogus, nothing against Hinata, she is my favorite female character after all, but she doesn’t come close to Konan, Jiraiya just made her look extremely weak. Nagato with or without his body summons ain’t much either, he would have died facing Jiraiya. As far as his arm goes, as far as Jiraiya was concerned the match was over, late entries are so lame and anti-climatic, especially if someone thinks the match is over.

  15. I agre with JiriayaFTW. Jman beats Pein any day.

  16. why are ya’ll argueing? Jman already won dis contest noting going to change that.

  17. @JiraiyaFTW
    I’m not trying to compare Hinata with Konan, I said Hinata “sacrificed herself” and that is why Naruto is alive. Konan didn’t fear Jiraiya. Nobody from Akatsuki fears Jiraiya (maybe Zetsu). Who would be more exhausted Pain or Jiraiya when both entered into each other’s village?? Jiraiya capturing 2 shonobi, and fought with Konan for a few minutes/ or Pain who went through an whole entire village with the likes of Kakashi, Tsunade, Konoha 11, etc. As far as I know Nagato’s Sage of 6 paths is the power of his rinnegan, not a MAGICAL place home to Frogs were he can summon animals. You can’t compare the two. If you compared Jiraiya’s Toad summonings to Nagato’s Animal path summonings you can do that, but you can’t take away a gift Nagato was born (Rinnegan). Nagato is the best.

    In the next tournanment, if Pervy sage wins again, What’s the point of even voting anymore? I thought voting was based off skill, not Popularity. Jiraiya can’t beat Pain, Itachi, or Orochimaru, Yeah I said it. Naruto is going to surpass him, Sasuke has EMS and will get stronger, Kabuto is gonna kill alot of people. NAGATO all day

  18. “why would he be willing to kill kakashi but not Jiraiya”: Easy to protect Konoha… He DIDN’T kill Kakashi and had NO intrest in capturing Naruto. Attacking Jiraiya would have been completely counter productive.

    “without the toads is a lie”: Actually it’s a fact… Jiraiya himself said he had no attacks that would work against PEIN. I’m not saying he didn’t have the toads, simply considering the easiest way to tip the scales.

    “Nagato had all the time in the world to prepare,”: Jiraiya KNEW he was going into enemy teritory and KNEW he had already been noticed once. A smart Ninja would have entered sage mode before venturing out into the world but Jiraiya choose not to.

    “heck he had already discovered half of their powers”: Knowing their abilities doesn’t mean he can defeat them, I’m fact after learning thier abilities he realized he COULDN’T defeat them. More bodies would only worsen this and make the genjutsu obsolete (since Deva realm countered all of the toads with ease.

    “thanks to Madara,”: Madara didn’t tell Sasuke anything, just thought it to himself.

    “Akatsuki has a whole range of spies,”: but none confirmed to be in Konoha, and any knowledge those three had would surely be out dated at best, meanwhile Jiraiya stated that he had a current active spy within Akatsuki. And give Madara’s secrecy, Akatsuki didn’t really believe in open information.

    “why are ya’ll argueing”: we like too…

    Anyway, whether or not Jiraiya would beat someone RIGHT NOW is not my concern, what I want to know is what you think it would take to undeniably beat Jiraiya or put the challenger over the top. Ex. Right now Itachi and Nagato are argueable either way, but if they were just slightly stronger it would be obvious. The reason I say this is because the polls are so close…

  19. “In the next tournanment”: It’s going to be a while before another naruto tournament.

  20. @Byakugan Invasion
    Why does it keep eating my comment? luckyly I saved it in a document just to post, took a while to write.

    So in other words Pain lost to Naruto for his lack of prep? Obviously Nagato didn’t plan on Naruto finding out his secret or his techniques, he didn’t expect a friend-no-jutsu or beautiful speech, that’s basically what you are saying when you say it was Jiraiya’s fault when he went to track Pain, all Jiraiya knew about the Akatsuki leader was his location, he didn’t know he controlled the village, he didn’t know his name name or who it was. It would have been easy for Jiraiya to start massacring people and ninja left and right in order to draw out Nagato, but you see that ain’t his style, no one told Pain to drop an A-Bomb on Konoha, that’s a lack of foresight on Nagato’s part, but you don’t call him on that? This is definitely not a popularity contest, last time I checked Jiraiya is not that popular in comparison to the other characters, so your point is mute. The way I see it people take our arguments and see which one’s hold more water, and obviously I contribute to his win. Jiraiya pawn’s that is all there is to it.

    Kisame, may have insulted Jiraiya, but I thought it was funnier seeing Kisame run for his life, that just showed him eating his own words. I never said Konan was afraid, I said she was made to look like a noob by Jiraiya, who pawned her too. Funny how Itachi’s mouth was covered, for all we know his mouth could have been quivering, see how that works? Now here is a question I keep asking myself, if he only wanted to make sure the village was okay, then why did he waste his time looking for Naruto, who was in whole other town? Itachi had already made his point after pawning Kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma, Itachi had no idea Sasuke would be in the other town looking for Naruto, why risk Naruto like that for Kisame to injure? Why? Because his priority may have been Sasuke’s well being, why would he care about Naruto? Itachi at that point didn’t know Naruto and Sasuke were best friends or whatever, why go through all the elaborate scheming of trying to separate Jiraiya and Naruto, what purpose does it serve? According to Madara, Itachi placed Sasuke’s life above the village, therefore he would have no qualms taking Naruto, otherwise he would have just told Kisame that it wouldn’t be wise to battle with Jiraiya around, he just endangered himself for no reason, without any guarantee that Sasuke would show up. He would have taken Naruto to prove his loyalty to Akatsuki, if it were not for Jiraiya. Answer me why would he go through all that trouble just to fail, when he could have just told Kisame not right now. Having said that the reason is because he was worried about facing Jiraiya, I didn’t see Jiraiya back out in fact he outright called them out, until Sasuke showed up and got his ass whooped by Itachi, also if I remember correctly Itachi’s face was pretty much sweating with relief after having escaped.

    I don’t know, does Itachi look all cocky in this image? hell look at Kisame, he just crapped himself JK.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/03/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/07/

    lookie here…. he’s all tuckered out. 😉

    Here is Kabuto being scared of Jiraiya, look at his face priceless, you asked for a link well here you go.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/162/13/ 🙂

    Regarding Sasuke, you are completely wrong and I can prove it, here are instances in which Karin and Madara helped or warned Sasuke, Madara even almost had to interfere to save him. 8)

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/477/08/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/04/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/06/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/12/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/479/05/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/480/09/

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/481/11/

    Does that answer you Sasuke vs Danzo comparison and why your point on Sasuke not having help being invalid.

    All the Sannin were in at least two wars, the Second and the Third shinobi war, so their is plenty of info going around, not to mention, they are known across the shinobi world, you greatly underestimate Tsunade’s prowess, I wouldn’t be surprised if she faced Kabuto during the war.You are right in one thing though, we Jiraiya fans put him in a high pedestal, but so do other fans with their respective characters, such as you with Kabuto, I’m pretty sure I alienate many when I say Jiraiya is the strongest, but it is my position nonetheless 8) . So in short the only one who is FTW is Jiraiya, no one else. (except Sage Of Six Paths and The Third and The Fourth and Naruto, their allright even Itachi and Nagato honorable mention, not Kabuto though, I’m not too sweet on Kabuto 😉 )

    @Mart1
    I think every person is meant to be surpassed by one person and one person alone, Jiraiya will be surpassed by Naruto, as soon as Naruto develops different jutsu, jutsu that can acomodate for any given situation. That shadow clone and rasengan fighting style is getting to repetitive, I would enjoy seeing Naruto use moves such as Toad Mouth Trap or even Needle Jizo, you know change it up a bit, wouldn’t you like to see that? Naruto having a wider arsenal of jutsu would be the best no question. Just like Sasuke is meant to surpass Itachi, do I believe he has? No, not necessarily, maybe in terms of Sharingan Techniques, but not as a ninja, Sasuke relies to much on his hand me downs, while Itachi didn’t, he excelled in all areas and rarely relied on his Mangekyo Sharingan, unless he was trying to prove a point. I just hope Naruto doesn’t start spamming Sage Mode, that would cheapen it, wouldn’t you agree? Jiraiya didn’t spam it and that’s why he didn’t use it in the very beginning. Think about this, not just anyone can make a contract with the toads, they have to accept you, that is part of Jiraiya’s skill set, since he was qualified to use them, not just anyone can use them, it is a mutual contract, just like Naruto showed when he tried making a contract with the toads, he may have signed the contract, but initially Gamabunta didn’t listen to him. So Naruto in time will surpass Jiraiya, but surpassing someone doesn’t make the other person’s skills obsolete, wouldn’t you agree. Now who in your mind will surpass Nagato? 😉

  21. honestly speaking Pein is a beast, jiraiya was called a sannin for surviving against the person Pein single-handedly killed off. He was able to last as long as he did against Pein because of the environment had he fought where Naruto fought he would t have been able to even get into sage mode.

    I like jiraiya, but I honestly think that itachi and Pein would take him out on an open field battle. I really think the battleground needs to be considered more. I also think KB could take out jiraiya.

  22. at jiraiyaFTW: let me talk football (i.e. Soccer) for a while. Lionel Messi could wipe the floor with pele at both their best, but pele’s legacy would make even messi question whether he could take him out… Messi=itachi pele=jiraiya.

    Jiraiya’s legacy surpasses the man and in all honesty if itachi felt that escape was futile and had to engage jiraiya i.e. Like if that was his mission, he would have given him a run for his money! Susann’o anybody?

  23. @Madzikage
    Again Jiraiya, Oro and Tsunade were in their youth, between 15 and 21 years old, you can do math for yourself, look at 2 previous Mart1 Tournament posts for the math or take my word for it, Nagato/Pain was in his early 40’s when he took down Hanzo, no doubt Hanzo suffered with arthritis at that age, while Nagato/Pain was a strong 40 year old, the Sannin had been fighting a prolonged war when confronted by Hanzo they survived a Kage level ninja’s attacks. Now concerning the field, Jiraiya had the disadvantage not Nagato, Nagato knows his turf, Jiraiya doesn’t, Jiraiya lost because he got ambushed by the other bodies he couldn’t see, had he seen them he would not have lost, you can consider that. What about Susanno?, it is one giant death trap that would hinder Itachi more than help him out. Concerning your soccer analogy it would be safer to compare Jiraiya to Hugo Sanchez and Nagato with Lionel Messi, I am a huge soccer fan and huge fan of the anime/manga Captain Tsubasa, if you don’t know who Hugo Sanchez is look him up, I bet even Lionel Messi can’t compare to this dude, he’s one of my favorite soccer players and one of Mexico’s best, as well as, one of Europe’s top scores and one of the world’s best during his time and of all time, few if any have accomplished what he has. Lionel is good, Hugo Sanchez is great, here I’ll give you a link to see some of his great goals.

    Take into account that even when Mexican players were greatly discriminated in Europe at the time he managed to overcome and accomplish much, just like Jiraiya was always on the move never having much time to train, just at look at how many missions he has accomplished and how many wars he has been drawn into surviving them all. Speaking of soccer, the start of the World Cup South Africa 2010 right around the corner. WHAT!! WHAT!!

  24. hugo sanchez is awesome like nagato level and nagato wasn’t 40 when he killed Hanzou he killed him soon after yahiko’s death during his civil war in Ame. He was probably in his late teens or early 20s to be honest. But I think you’ll never let it go. At the end of the day he DID defeat jiraiya without even using the full array of techniques he used against Naruto who mind you he didn’t even want to kill. Ultimate badass.

  25. Hugo Sanchez=Jiraiya (Old School Bad ass)
    Lionel Messi=Nagato (Not Old, Not New just right)
    Giovanni Dos Santos=Naruto 😉 LOL (New School)

    Actually, Nagato defeated Hanzo within the scope of three years or something like that, according to the Ame ninja Jiraiya had captured, they recently won the civil War in Ame and uptill recently destroyed the remnant’s of Hanzo’s forces. Nagato is not that young, he was 10 during the second war, 13 after three years’ of training with Jiraiya, 25-30 during the time Yahiko died during the Third Shinnobi War and assuming the war ended right there and then add 13 or 16 years and you have a 43 or 46 year old Nagato facing Hanzo. You are right I will not let it go, what it comes down to is that Jiraiya did not have a whole village at his disposal and mind you he got his arm severed before he was even tired, meaning he could have kept going and going and going. Therefore, in my conclusion Jiraiya is #1 Badass.

  26. “was even tired”: Actually he was tired… He knew he was fighting a battle he couldn’t win and that all of his attacks were ineffective… He hadn’t been injured yet, but he was out of moves when his arm was severed.

  27. @Mart1
    Do you know why it keeps eating my comments? I had answered your previous comment with a long ass response only to have it eaten. That’s depressing 😦 . As to this comment, in most Naruto fights both ninjas always suffer some sort of damage before the climatic ending, in this fight, Jiraiya had effectively “ended” the fight without, so much as an attack landed on him or without panting his lungs of, you can verify this by re-reading the chapter, his moves became very limited ones his arm was severed, but before that there was no indication that he was on the verge of death or anywhere near it. As readers we had no idea on Nagato’s secret until further on, Jiraiya on the other hand did find it out, even after having his arm severed and on top of that still took out one the bodies, even as he bled profusely and was confronted by the Six Pains, only after he decided to focus on Pain’s secret as opposed to fighting then and only then did he die. Without Pains cheap ellaborate trick Jiraiya would not have lost, that was his secret. 😉

    No comment on football(soccer)? Not a fan of the sport? Really slow week for Naruto, huh? 😉

  28. It was marked as spam… you had a long as comment with multiple links… the computer thought you were an ad agency…

  29. “Now who in your mind will surpass Nagato?”: Kabuto… You may not be too impressed with him, but I’ve liked him since the first episode he was in. “IF” he can do even as much as he has claimed he has already surpassed Nagato in my mind since it isn’t that hard to find a convient source of sacrifices for Edo Tensei…

    As for Kabuto… He’s not scared so much as worried, and not so much of Jiraiya as the overall situation (that he and a weakened Oro. would have to take on four ninja two of which were Sanin). Also remember that since then Kabuto has had a major power jump via edo tensei and absorbing Oro. it’s been three+ years since then and he has grown almost as much as Sasuke has.

    As for Itachi: I agree that before he knew Naruto, he could have been going after him (though even this may have been for apperances because he could have neutralized Jiraiya much more effectively by using a kunochi or a willing coconspirator instead of a hypnotized hooker) though my oppinion that he didn’t want to attack Jiraiya for Konoha’s sake still stands. There is no way he didn’t know who Jiraiya was, or what taking him out after Konoha’s recent destruction would mean. You say he cares more for Sasuke than the village but I don’t see how it applies here. He certaily cares MORE for Sasuke, but he still loves the village, and his plan for Sasuke to return there as a hero would sort of be useless if there was no village to return to.

    I think that Sasuke has surpassed Itachi battle wise, even with the use of hand-me-downs, and I think spaming is unavoidable. I think that Sasuke and Naruto being antithetical characters they will surpass Jiraiya at the same time. In my oppinion I think this has already occured, but even if you don’t, you have to admit that logically if they are equal and one is greater than Jiraiya the other must also be. I don’t really want to see Naruto use too many techniques, just a few more specific ones (wind and water element jutsu of any range/strength, FTG, and Kyubbi control.) and I think Naruto spamming Sage mode is unavoidable.

  30. “Not a fan of the sport”: I’m an american…

    “Jiraiya had effectively “ended” the fight”: Not really, he thought he ended it, but we see this several times over like Naruto vs. Neji, Kakashi vs. Zabuza, Neji vs. Kidomaru, ect. where you take the brunt of the attack to get in a killing blow. Nagato’s secret had nothing to do with the fact that he was able to strategize and impliment this trick, as there are multiple ways to fake defeat.

  31. @JiraiyaFTW
    C’mon on man everyone knows NARUTO is suppose to be DEAD, Nagato WASN’T trying to KILL Naruto, “he needed his 9 tails”, but I’m sure you know that. Hinata saved Naruto, Even the old Frogs interfered. A 100% Naruto (sage mode) went against a 60% – 70% Pein basically.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/03/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/06/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/07/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/08/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/09/
    I don’t think I need to go any further, you know what happens after that. I can’t stand it when a “JIRAIYA FAN”, ” say o Jiraiya had no clue of what he was going up against, he could of beat Pein if he knew his secrets “. Well let me ask you this. If Someone STOLED your grandmothers T.V. and PISSED on her bed, and you knew the person who did it. Are you going to find out how strong robber is, or take revenge and attack the robber NO matter what the situation is. Pein didn’t have any TRICKS, he just knew the SURROUNDINGS better that’s all. It’s not like the whole entire village attacked Jiraiya like Konoha attacked Pein. I don’t think Jiraiya would had kill Konan that easy as it was showed, I think Konan is like Gaara or Suigetsu instead she’s like paper. Some would say she’s weak, well I think she has potiential. We really haven’t seen much from her to judge rather she’s weak or not, I don’t get why people would say Zetsu is weak. We haven’t seen nothing much from him either.

    I asked you to show me a picture of Itachi being scared of Jiraiya, not Kabuto. I notice you repeated yourself saying Itachi and Kisame ran from Jiraiya. Are you serious? The best tag team on Akatsuki scared of Jiraiya? That’s a joke man. Like I mentioned before it wasn’t Itachi’s INTENTIONS to harm anyone from Konoha. He was a “DOUBLE AGENT”. Him facing Jiraiya would disrupt the storyline. Although that would have been a EPIC battle, but we all know Itachi can beat Jiraiya, maybe not as quick as Pein got rid of him. But go back into the chapters BOTH Itachi and Pein look at Jiraiya as if he wasn’t a challenge , Which was true Jiraiya can’t hang with the likes of them, and that is why he died.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/04/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/147/03/
    Nobody from Akatsuki is afraid of Jiraiya, Hidan or Zetsu MIGHT be surprised at his presence, but that’s were it stops

    Speaking of RUNNING AWAY. Wasn’t Jiraiya doing that when he faced Pein? Yes he’s running for his life, You can say no he was strategizing, and even that couldn’t stop Pein
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/04/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/06/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/07/

    Run Forest(Jiraiya) run 😉 . I like Jiraiya, but his fans are crazy if they think he can beat Pein. KB & Itachi could also win. Tell me do you own Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm? Itachi is by far the best player on the game. He can use time for advantage! Jiraiya fans put Jiraiya on a High Pedistal. Whoever thinks Jiraiya is the best are the very same people who haven’t gone passed chapter 373. How can you say Jiraiya FTW, when he’s dead? When I say Nagato FTW I say it because no one can beat him when he’s 100%, No one can beat him without some type of interference. The only thing I agree with you on is the whole comparison I made with Pein vs Jiraiya & Sasuke vs Danzo. And I agree with you Sasuke did need a little help ( not that much help to determine the outcome of the match though), but the point I was trying to make was Sasuke didn’t know anything about Danzo, just as Pein didn’t know anything from Jiraiya’s needle Jizo. Most of the time a shonobi wins for analyzing the fight. Jiraiya did all that analyzing and still lost. You also mentioned that all of the Sannin fought in atleast 2 wars. QUESTION what does that have to do Akatsuki? Akatsuki were hired to fight someone else battles. Knowing this also makes me think who would win this new war, because if the some of the countries were using Akatsuki to fight their battles, How will they defeat someone that was stronger than their own shonobi? BTW Hanzo wasn’t 60, he was either in his late 40’s or mid 50’s. Pein would have been 29 or 32

    You asked me was I ready to get pawned. Nope I never been, never will . Booker T-SuuUcckka lol Kabuto FTW.

  32. my comment isn’t showing up 😦

  33. @JiraiyaFTW
    C’mon on man everyone knows NARUTO is suppose to be DEAD, Nagato WASN’T trying to KILL Naruto, “he needed his 9 tails”, but I’m sure you know that. Hinata saved Naruto, Even the old Frogs interfered. A 100% Naruto (sage mode) went against a 60% – 70% Pein basically.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/07/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/08/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/09/
    I don’t think I need to go any further, you know what happens after that. I can’t stand it when a “JIRAIYA FAN”, ” say o Jiraiya had no clue of what he was going up against, he could of beat Pein if he knew his secrets “. Well let me ask you this. If Someone STOLED your grandmothers T.V. and PISSED on her bed, and you knew the person who did it. Are you going to find out how strong robber is, or take revenge and attack the robber NO matter what the situation is. Pein didn’t have any TRICKS, he just knew the SURROUNDINGS better that’s all. It’s not like the whole entire village attacked Jiraiya like Konoha attacked Pein. I don’t think Jiraiya would had kill Konan that easy as it was showed, I think Konan is like Gaara or Suigetsu instead she’s like paper. Some would say she’s weak, well I think she has potiential. We really haven’t seen much from her to judge rather she’s weak or not, I don’t get why people would say Zetsu is weak. We haven’t seen nothing much from him either.

    I asked you to show me a picture of Itachi being scared of Jiraiya, not Kabuto. I notice you repeated yourself saying Itachi and Kisame ran from Jiraiya. Are you serious? The best tag team on Akatsuki scared of Jiraiya? That’s a joke man. Like I mentioned before it wasn’t Itachi’s INTENTIONS to harm anyone from Konoha. He was a “DOUBLE AGENT”. Him facing Jiraiya would disrupt the storyline. Although that would have been a EPIC battle, but we all know Itachi can beat Jiraiya, maybe not as quick as Pein got rid of him. But go back into the chapters BOTH Itachi and Pein look at Jiraiya as if he wasn’t a challenge , Which was true Jiraiya can’t hang with the likes of them, and that is why he died.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/04/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/147/03/
    Nobody from Akatsuki is afraid of Jiraiya, Hidan or Zetsu MIGHT be surprised at his presence, but that’s were it stops

    Speaking of RUNNING AWAY. Wasn’t Jiraiya doing that when he faced Pein? Yes he’s running for his life, You can say no he was strategizing, and even that couldn’t stop Pein
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/04/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/06/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/07/

    Run Forest(Jiraiya) run 😉 . I like Jiraiya, but his fans are crazy if they think he can beat Pein. KB & Itachi could also win. Tell me do you own Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm? Itachi is by far the best player on the game. He can use time for advantage! Jiraiya fans put Jiraiya on a High Pedistal. Whoever thinks Jiraiya is the best are the very same people who haven’t gone passed chapter 373. How can you say Jiraiya FTW, when he’s dead? When I say Nagato FTW I say it because no one can beat him when he’s 100%, No one can beat him without some type of interference. The only thing I agree with you on is the whole comparison I made with Pein vs Jiraiya & Sasuke vs Danzo. And I agree with you Sasuke did need a little help ( not that much help to determine the outcome of the match though), but the point I was trying to make was Sasuke didn’t know anything about Danzo, just as Pein didn’t know anything from Jiraiya’s needle Jizo. Most of the time a shonobi wins for analyzing the fight. Jiraiya did all that analyzing and still lost. You also mentioned that all of the Sannin fought in atleast 2 wars. QUESTION what does that have to do Akatsuki? Akatsuki were hired to fight someone else battles. Knowing this also makes me think who would win this new war, because if the some of the countries were using Akatsuki to fight their battles, How will they defeat someone that was stronger than their own shonobi? BTW Hanzo wasn’t 60, he was either in his late 40’s or mid 50’s. Pein would have been 29 or 32

    You asked me was I ready to get pawned. Nope I never been, never will . Booker T-SuuUcckka lol Kabuto FTW.

  34. @ Byakugan invasion we bring up if Jiraiya had known he wouldve won cause well you know Pein himself said Jiraiya wouldve won if he had known the truth case closed on that. and to compare a video game to the anime and manga is kinda lame dude. itachi was willin to kidnap kakashi but couldnt do so cause Guy appreared and warned about reinforcements so you cant say that Itachi wasnt goin to harm Kakashi or something like that, so why not take out Jiraiya, mart or someone brought up it would hurt konoha as far as making them weaker but wouldnt that be the same as kakashi and i bring up that he failed in getting kakashi cause Guy showed so if he was willin to get Kakashi he would be willin to get Jiraiya if he could have. and bringing up Jiraiya running away to form a plan, hmm whats more cowardly, a guy to get away from a aponent who he aint assure of the abilities he could possess or someone to control 6 other bodies to do all the work so he doesnt have to worry about dying

    Just wanna say im tired of hearing about Madara, untill he actually shows his ems that we havent seen yet, or untill he actually does some crazy jutsu rather than wak o mole I say hes an imposter, who cares if his body isnt what it used to be from the fight against the first, he should still be able to bring out crazy jutsus if he really is madara, so madara fans can suck it.

  35. @Minatofan
    I wasn’t being serious when I was mentioned the video game, Chill out. I don’t know why you bring up Nagato’s 6 bodies. That’s the power of his Rinnegan. Your saying Nagato using the bodies as away from not dying?????? He didn’t have to bring back those people from Konoha but he did. It’s the power from his Rinnegan. Not no “MAGICAL LAND FULL OF TOADS”. In order for those 6 bodies to operate. Nagato was giving HIS chakra to those 6 bodies. To me that’s pretty amazing. And again that’s a ability from his Rinnegan not No escape from death

    Pein was praising Jiraiya when he said that Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret, After that he said “I can give you no higher praise than that, my Former Teacher”. Even if Jiraiya knew Pein’s secret, what makes you think Jiraya can beat him without help????? I bet Pein didn’t know Jiraiya can use his Hair as a weapon either. Sasuke didn’t know what Danzo can do, but you seen the results of that battle, Sasuke didn’t know anything about Deidara, but we seen the results from that battle. My point is, you don’t have to know anything about your opponent to beat them, and Pein was only praising his former teacher nothing else. Before the Chunin exams, Did any of the participants knew each other’s Abilities & Secrets,huh???????????????????????????? Lol. Nobody is putting Madara on a high pedestal, but guess what he’s alive. Jiraiya isn’t. Those who think Jiraiya is better than Nagato or Itachi, Yall stuck on STUPID 4real. I know his death was sad and all, but damn the series is still going on. Only the strong survives. Don’t worry though Kabuto will bring back Jiraiya and use him right.

    You seen how easily Itachi stopped Orochimaru from stealing his body. Itachi had Orochimaru looking like a fool, what do you think Jiraiya or Tsunade can do against Itachi??? Itachi can beat all 3 of them 1 on 1. It was a reason why Itachi was trying to take Kakashi, I don’t think he was trying to harm him though. Remember Kakashi never explained how he got the Mangekyo sharigan, maybe Itachi taught him, who knows. Remember Itachi was the same person who gave Naruto some of his powers, but nobody is praising Itachi? Itachi had no intentions to harm anyone from Konoha, as a child he feared wars. All he wanted was peace.

    I’m not saying Jiraiya sucks. He’s definitely top 3, He’s just not top 2 IMO.

    KabutoFTW

  36. @Byakugan Invasion
    Funny how you can call out Jiraiya on his “Magical Land of Toads”, when it is Nagato the was spamming the summoning jutsu, even more so than Jiraiya? “Magical Land of Every Other Animal” I say. Have you though about Nagato and his “Magical Eyes”? . You say that Nagato using his 6 bodies was one of his powers and yeah that’s true, but it is also a big time cop out on Nagato’s part playing with words to try and confuse Jiraiya, calling every body Pain, what’s the deal with that? If he were so strong why go through with an elaborate scheme to take on Jiraiya? If Pain had just attacked Jiraiya with his 6 bodies at the same time, from the very beginning and beaten him hands down, we wouldn’t be arguing, but that was not the case. Nagato always had way more info on Jiraiya than Jiraiya on Nagato, how do I figure? Well each of Pain’s original bodies, the original 6, were associated with Jiraiya at one time or another, Nagato could have easily read their minds and done his research on Jiraiya, so it is possible for Nagato to have some insight into Jiraiya’s jutsu. You say Madara is alive and Jiraiya isn’t, but Madara has not done much to even be in such a high pedestal, all he has done is take advantage of Nagato’s idealogy and used him as a pawn, not much else, I wouldn’t be surprised if he were in fact really weak, fighting Danzo’s men and losing an arm is not much of an accomplishment. You say Nagato was just prasing Jiraiya, well praise is based on truth more often than not, Nagato admits it, that’s good enough for me. All I know is that as the circumstance change in battle, so do fighting styles and no doubt Jiraiya could have acomodated for that if he saw he was facing 6 bodies. Byakugan Invasion, we are well aware that the series is still on going, but it seems you forget were you are posting your comments, this post reads “Jiraiya wins!!?”, we are only defending the results nothing more, I have already seen the most recent chapter. Not only the strong survive, but the very cowardly as well. How can Kabuto use him right? that makes no sense, if anything Jiraiya would show way more abilities that he didn’t get a chance to use, nothing more. The reason Itachi pawned Oro is because in their first encounter Oro tried to absorb his body by using something similiar to a genjutsu, I stress similar, not actually genjutsu, you get what I am saying? It is obvious that Itachi would win a genjutsu based battle, him having the Sharingan and all. Jiraiya would not be using common genjutsu against Itachi, he would fight him and over power him in both elemental jutsu and strength, Jiraiya is very proficient at genjutsu cancel, proficient to the point that he taught even Naruto the basics. I don’t think Itachi taught Kakashi, since if you go back and read when Kakashi inferred about learning the Magenkyo to Itachi, Itachi was surprised. You seem to forget that all Jiraiya wanted was peace and mutual understanding between all Shinobi of the world, despite his prowess as a shinobi Jiraiya was a firm believer in peace,as well, if I remember correctly he tried to talk to Nagato and Konan, before they attacked him. Itachi is in my top 3 favorite shinobies 🙂 and he definitely does not suck, but Jiraiya would end up winning nonetheless. Oh…. and it’s not KabutoFTW its JiraiyaFTW. 😉

  37. Naruto 494 is out on mangasteam! but back to this, Pein is the only one who is a one man army. To be quite honest he could have attacked jiraiya with all 6 at once but hey that would have made for a very short battle! =D lets discuss the new manga

  38. @jiraiyaFTW anD ByakuGAN Invasion you guys are passionate nutters! At the end of the day it must be acknowledged that jiraiya does spam myokuban I mean Sage mode that throat trap, even his infiltration thing are all summonings. What I’ll give him is an ability to summon and the chakra necessary for such summons. And all too take out someone with purple eyes! I wouldn’t even put him in my top5.

    Naruto 494 is out in mangastream.

    PS: how do I make a post for that? I tried to publish it earlier today but just got it sent to review.

  39. “kakashi cause Guy showed”: When did he ever say anything about kidnapping Kakashi??? He just wanted to give Kakashi a beat down so they would know he was still a threat if they hurt Sasuke. He didn’t intend to kill or do any more than he already had, as he explained to Kisame. Though you bring up a good question, what’s the difference between Kakashi and Jiraiya? The answer is strength, now I’m not saying Kakashi isn’t well known or strong, but Jiraiya’s death would hurt Konoha a lot more than Kakashi’s both in military terms and reputational terms.

    Who the hell brought ou Madara minatofan???: But either way, him beating anyone is simple game theory… He can attack (however weakly) and CANNOT be hit. meanwhile his opponent can attack at great strength but never hurt Madara but can be hurt himself. So he is undefeatable, so the worst he can do is a tie.

    As far as genjutsu cancel goes, it doesn’t work on MS Genjutsu as two ninja (Kakashi and Kurenai) both much better at it than Jiraiya tried to use it and failed in doing so.

  40. Nagato: “If Jiraiya knew my secret he would have won……”

    Sasuke vs random ninja. Random ninja gets his ass severely kicked

    Sasuke: “If Random Ninja knew I used lightning and wore a rubber suit, knew I used Genjutsu and brought a team of ninjas to snap him out of them, knew I use Amaterasu and brought scrolls to seal it , knew I used Susanoo and brought a chakra-absorbing ninja to absorb it, and knew I used Katon and learned some Suiton, then he would have won”

    Tenten vs 5 year old. Tenten barely beats the 5 year old.

    Tenten: “If only that five year old knew Fuuton he would have won by deflecting my weapons”

    See how ridiculous this is? Not knowing what your opponent can do is what makes these fights entertaining! Seeing how our favorites use the moves we KNOW they have, apply them to different situations and use them in different ways is what makes these battles nice to look at. This is precisely the reason no one likes Sasugay’s battles. Instead of applying what he knows, he just pulls out a different move we’ve never seen before, but I digress…….for now ;). I didnt realize this was such a heated debate though, had I known I would have been on Team Nagato days ago lol :D.

  41. woooooooooooooooow. jiraiya cannot beat pein or itachi. itachi is the best and he could kill like any1 if he didnt hav that disease that let sasuke beat him. orochimaru can beat jiraiya 2. kabuto, well no but itachi is the best 4ever.

    Kakashi/Itachi/Pein/orochimaru r awesome!

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