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What is THAT JUTSU?

The Key is Kyuubi Sage Mode:
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This is a question that has been pondered ever since Jiraiya mentioned it at the beginning of part 2, and over time people have come up with many theories as to what it could be. The first theory was that it was four-tail mode (used against Orochimaru)

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but that proved to be false and as it currently stands many people are of the opinion that it is either the The Flying Thunder God Technique or The Death God Consuming Souls Technique, both of which were used by Minato.

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However, as many people have mentioned these techniques do not seem to adequately fit the bill, so here is my theory on the matter:
1. It has to be something so powerful that it can only be accomplished with bijuu level chakra and someone with high chakra levels.
2. It has to be an advancement of a technique that Minato could use.
3. Must not involve complex hands seals or genjutsu (given that these are not things Naruto has any aptitude for).
4. It has to be simple enough for Naruto to use and therefore have some similarity to techniques that Naruto has already shown in his arsenal.
5. Powerful enough to take out Madara.
What this means is that bijuu transformation is not the case given that firstly, Madara and Sasuke have been shown to have some measure of control/influence over the kyuubi. Additionally, even at 8tails, Pein felt that he could still contain it (therefore bijuu transformation has too many wholes in it). Additionally, it needs to be something that would seriously hamper Madara’s time/space jutsu which would seem to require either wearing him out or striking him down.
MY ANSWER: Mass Shadow Clones with Kyuubi’s chakra used in the divide.
Think about this for a moment…. Naruto already knows how to use mass shadow clones but its weakness has always been the fact that the clones are too weak (because of the divided chakra) to do any real damage to the more skilled ninja. However, naruto has proved to be a strong enough ninja in and of himself and 1000s of at strength (both normal mode and sage mode) Narutos is more than enough to take out the most powerful ninja.
This is also an advancement of FTG insofar as it overcomes the ‘flaw’ in FTG namely the use of the special seal, essentially, it turns Naruto into a one man army and because of the complexity and need to divide up specific chakra, requires synergy with the Kyuubi. In my opinion if this were the case then it would make those 3yrs training with Jiraiya appear not to have been a waste.
Now just imagine thousands of these occurring in these blink of an eye!
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50 Responses

  1. I don’t get it. What jutsu are you talking about, and when did Jiraiya mention it??

  2. I think It’s something that will surpass any thing Minato has ever accomplished something using massive chakra with high destructive power that can be concentrated in a small area or a large area

  3. That is A load of crap. . Firstly minato doesnot know of naruto’s abilities strengths and weaknesses the Key is simply to control the seal. .. and the jutsu possibilities are infinite it can be transformation into the bijuu like killerbee with full control or also gaara’s forced sleep technique to let the kyubii out completely. .. it can also be a bloodine limit or similar jutsu passed down by minato or naruto’s mother which hasn’t been mentioned of yet … btw naruto already shoued the sage kyubi mode when fighting pein

  4. interesting thought…..but that doesnt seem interesting enough to fall under the title of ‘THAT JUTSU’….like it would b gd 2 c that but i wanna c something never seen in naruverse…….if it has 2 beat madara or even sasuke i want the jutsu 2 be a surpise like when naruto threw the ransenshiruken…..uchiha 4 ever

  5. surprise….. rasenshiruken……sorry bout the typos…

  6. hahhaha i kno this is totally off topic but i cant believe that they are coming out with a pokemon black and white versions. the graphics are like your playing grand theft auto well, thats the best way i can explain it lol

  7. Madara’s Teleporting Technique

    This unnamed time-space jutsu, centered in his right eye, allows Madara to teleport himself or anything he touches to another location in an instant. When observed, both Karin and Shino Aburame noted that Madara’s chakra would completely disappear and then reappear, depending on if Madara was teleporting away or to a location. Madara states it is within his power to locate Taka as they traveled to Konoha, if this means Madara can teleport to the location of anyone he wishes to find or is an unrelated tracking jutsu is currently unknown.

    Kakashi Hatake likens this technique’s characteristics to the Flying Thunder God Technique because it is also a time and space manipulation technique, but notes that Madara’s version seems to be much more versatile. The ability can be used without predefined locations and without hand seals.

    Similar to Kamui, Madara is also capable of teleporting other people to a separate dimension, which is conducted in a similar manner as his “self-teleportation”, in that the same swirling patterning, centered upon his eye, is present. However, instead of teleporting the targeted component, this technique’s effect acts as an attractive force, both visibly drawing the target inwards and distorting their form until they disappear. When displayed, the separate dimension appears to be largely composed of a random arrangement of various rectangular prisms.[1]

    It can also be used to transport only parts of Madara’s body elsewhere, leaving him visible to opponents but impervious to attack and physical harm. Kakashi and Yamato speculate that if Madara wants to attack, he must become solid, leaving him vulnerable.[2] This is later confirmed when he “absorbs” Torune and is injured by the nano insects in Torune’s body, forcing him to detach his own arm.

    In the anime, after speaking with Pain and Konan, Madara then instantly disappears with a flash of red lightning; However, this was changed in the episode 155, as Madara appears in a similar way he appears in manga.

  8. This jutsu was created by Minato Namikaze, and quite possibly the reason behind his nickname, “Konoha’s Yellow Flash” (木ノ葉の黄色い閃光, Konoha no Kīroi Senkō). It allows the user to move himself to another location in the blink of an eye. Although it is often compared with the Body Flicker Technique, the speed and range of this jutsu are much greater. In principle, this jutsu is similar to the Reverse Summoning Technique, as it revolves around manipulation of time and space rather than accelerated movement, but instead of bringing something to users, it sends them somewhere. Additionally, it makes no noise and produces no puff of smoke, allowing the user to appear behind someone unnoticed.

    The seal appearing on the opponent after being marked by Minato.To activate this jutsu, the user needs a special seal or “jutsu formula” (術式, jutsu-shiki) to mark the destination. After this is done, the user enters a dimensional void that almost instantaneously transports himself to the location of the seal. Minato applied the formula in advance to weapons such as kunai. By giving one such kunai to a person, he can immediately teleport to that person at any time. He can also apply the mark to a touched area, such as his opponent or some other surrounding feature.

    Furthermore, if an object marked with the seal may touch the ground, Minato will immediately know the position of everyone close to the object. This technique also possesses surveillance purposes as he can continuously sense where anyone is as long as the seal is on them. No matter where an opponent is, he arrived directly next to them. The jutsu is also very unique because it requires no use of chakra, due to a special secondary seal that emits the same chakra as him, allowing him to have an instant connection to the area.

    The customized seal marked kunai Minato uses for his Flying Thunder God Technique.It is because of this technique that Konoha came out victorious in the Iwagakure-Konohagakure Ninja War. After having his subordinates toss marked kunai randomly into the enemy ranks, Minato used the technique to appear within their ranks, using the great speed of this jutsu to seemingly appear to be in several places at once and wipe out entire squadrons one by one in moments before they could even react.

  9. Interesting.
    but i dont think it is the Mass Shadow Clone Juitsu. Imagine Sage Mode is hard to maintain. Naruto could only make 2 clone to maintain it. Right now Kyubbi chakara needed to be learnt.
    If THAT Juitsu by your theory means the only requiry is Mass amount of Chakara so the Kyubbi chakara will do the job. I see very low possibility of the Mass Shadow Clone(harden) Juitsu.
    THAT juitsu in my opinon must have something to do with Kyubbi and Kyubbi is needed to complete THAT Juitsu. That is the only fact which i am sure of.

    Madara and MInato teleportation Juitsu difference is.
    Minato’s need to make a seal and he can get to the place of the seal in a BLINK.

    For Madara, I dont think he need a seal but the teleport slowly. His way is like using sharringgan to twist the time, Like the way Kakashi change the dimension of Daderia(the mouth bomb guy) attack

  10. @pain: I don’t understand the relevance of ur observations to the ‘that jutsu’ I’m talking about. For clarity’s sake, it is the jutsu that jiraiya tried teaching Naruto during the time skip and warned him not to use.
    @abhi: it has nothing to do with minato, it has to do with jiraiya knowing his student and handing down a development of minato’s techniques.
    I fully agree that its not that interesting a technique but to be honest expecting Naruto to be capable of anything else is asking too much. He has taijutsu and limited ninjutsu so ‘that jutsu’ would need to factor that in. It has to be what he’s capable of.

  11. OMG “that jutsu” is totally Kyuubi transformation. Naruto has not been able to control it yet, and in that same conversation that Jiraiya mentioned it, he tells Naruto to not lose his cool.

    Plus, that is exactly what Jiraiya and Naruto were working on when Naruto lost control, which is what the Toad Scroll was talking about, so it is confirmed in my mind that it is a full Kyuubi transformation, with Naruto in control.

  12. If “that jutsu” only fully transform.. Its so dspointing to me..
    I still think madara used obito body so his sharingan same type as khakasi..

  13. @Indra

    I don’t see how “that jutsu” being a kyuubi transformation is disappointing? I would expect Naruto’s bijuu powers to be even more incredible than Killerbee, plus Kishi seems to have hinted that Naruto could combine them with Sage Mode.

    Also, I can’t see how Naruto is expected to work on a different technique that requires Kyuubi chakra when he hasn’t mastered it yet. It would be like Kakashi expecting Naruto to make FRS before Naruto knew how to make the Rasengan. The progression has to be sequential.

  14. kyuubi transformation. jitaiya even said not to use that jutsu which means naruto could already sort of use it like the 4 tail transformtion

  15. I think it is Genjutsu OR high level sealing jutsu because these are the only things that can control the Kyubbi. I think Minato PLANED to make Naruto a bijju for some time. I think he developed things like Rasengan FOR a bijju (imagine a chakra cannon/rasengan attack) and FTG as a way of moving something that size quickly into the heart of a village or as an ultimate technique (imagine if the Kyubbi could reverse summon naruto so he could avoid attacks like Madara). I think a genjutsu if used would be more like Gaara’s or Danzo’s while a Sealing jutsu would be in the vein of FTG. These seem like the level of techniques that would be on “that jutsu” level with Kyubbi control as a first step.

  16. For ” That Jutsu” I think it has to do with having complete access to the Kyubi chakra without losing control, or his original body, you know, Naruto still remains in his human form, similar to Ichigo’s hollowfication, initially Ichigo would lose control and it would chow in his outward appearance, but as he continued to master it, he retained his original appearance even more. It is obvious that Minato had no idea of Naruto learning Sage Mode, but a key would allow him to effectively control the Kyuubi, anyone else think that “that jutsu” refers to Naruto learning to summon the Kyuubi in the way he summons Gamabunta? Minato fought Madara and the Kyuubi that day, maybe he left Naruto that key so Naruto can summon the Kyuubi into battle while Naruto retains control of it by subjugating it with the key, you know the Kyuubi and Naruto fighting side by side, like Madara and the Kyuubi did back then.

  17. I hadn’t thought about this before but you mentioning the seal the 3rd and 4th used.

    Wouldn’t it be a trip if naruto ended up using that on Sasuke?

  18. @Mart

    I don’t think that it is Genjutsu or a Sealing Jutsu. Genjutsu is Naruto’s worst field. He may be able to cancel Genjutsu, but there is no way he can utilize it.

    For Sealing, although it seems more probable, I don’t see it coming to fruition. I mean, the level of chakra control it takes to perform Sealing Jutsu is EXTREMELY high. He wouldn’t be able to control his chakra enough to use a Sealing Jutsu.

    He did plan to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto. Jiraiya mentioned something about Minato always having as reason for what he’s done when he was about to fight Pein.

    Now, I believe that THAT JUTSU is… something that won’t be known until Madara and Naruto fight. We all know Kishi loves toying with his fans, so, we could guess for the rest of our lives and still get it wrong. All I know is that it’ll be something grand!

  19. “Genjutsu is Naruto’s worst field”: that’s sort of the point, he has everything else

    “the level of chakra control it takes to perform Sealing Jutsu is EXTREMELY high.” Senjutsu means he has this level of skill.

  20. Madara’s Teleporting Technique

    This unnamed time-space jutsu, centered in his right eye, allows Madara to teleport himself or anything he touches to another location in an instant. When observed, both Karin and Shino Aburame noted that Madara’s chakra would completely disappear and then reappear, depending on if Madara was teleporting away or to a location. Madara states it is within his power to locate Taka as they traveled to Konoha, if this means Madara can teleport to the location of anyone he wishes to find or is an unrelated tracking jutsu is currently unknown.

    Kakashi Hatake likens this technique’s characteristics to the Flying Thunder God Technique because it is also a time and space manipulation technique, but notes that Madara’s version seems to be much more versatile. The ability can be used without predefined locations and without hand seals.

    Similar to Kamui, Madara is also capable of teleporting other people to a separate dimension, which is conducted in a similar manner as his “self-teleportation”, in that the same swirling patterning, centered upon his eye, is present. However, instead of teleporting the targeted component, this technique’s effect acts as an attractive force, both visibly drawing the target inwards and distorting their form until they disappear. When displayed, the separate dimension appears to be largely composed of a random arrangement of various rectangular prisms.[1]

    It can also be used to transport only parts of Madara’s body elsewhere, leaving him visible to opponents but impervious to attack and physical harm. Kakashi and Yamato speculate that if Madara wants to attack, he must become solid, leaving him vulnerable.[2] This is later confirmed when he “absorbs” Torune and is injured by the nano insects in Torune’s body, forcing him to detach his own arm.

    In the anime, after speaking with Pain and Konan, Madara then instantly disappears with a flash of red lightning; However, this was changed in the episode 155, as Madara appears in a similar way he appears in manga

  21. @pain1975, what exactly is the point of all these random facts? I don’t see the relevance of pointing these irrelevant things out. Sorry dude, but they’re not ideas as to what the jutsu could be or even adding on to other people’s thoughts. They’re just copy and pasted from the wiki by the looks of it.

  22. Random thought….

    After considering how naruto is basically a highly skilled ninja stat respective aside from genjutsu maybe it is a Genjutsu were he takes his victim into his mind, where the kyubi appears locked in its cage.

    Obviously a being of pure Malice and the most evil chakra ( well secound to the sharingans but who cares) would scare the crap out of you. Naruto wouldnt need to learn the control his opponents sense in a form of hypnotisim like normal genjutsu just merely invade their mind somehow..

    or maybe its a chakra cloak, except it is his own chakra not the kyubi’s so its non damaging to naruto, only Jyira Farbade him to do it because it consumes to much chakra…

    But realistacly not even the creator knows yet, seeing as every other time a Sensei forbids the use of a techinique the student uses it anyway in some dramatic form. ( Lee opening the hidden Gates for instance) and naruto has been iin massive trouble heaps of times so why hasnt he used it? Because the creator doesnt even know yet….. Simple realistic and credible.

  23. @Dry: I like your comment about the author not knowing the direction of certain things and many of us can attest to the manga sometimes feeling though Kishi is pulling things out of his arse and ‘That Jutsu’ feels just like that. But I wanted people to just start to think what it could be and base it on a logically constructed argument which is what I hope I gave, taking into consideration, time to train, naruto’s abilities, etc, but good discussion so far, I hope it continues!

  24. About the genjutsu:

    NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY! Naruto just started figuring out chakra control and until he can make a one handed rasengan no problem I will not believe that he can do anything with genjutsu.

    About sealing jutsu:

    Naruto doesn’t even know how to use hand seals, except for Kage Bushin! How could we expect him to learn how to use chakra flow to seal anything else up? My argument is the same as above for the genjutsu, I could see Naruto developing sealing techniques eventually, even the slow Jiraiya became a seal master, but not yet.

    Also, I read an excerpt from the 2nd data book (keep in mind that the data books are writen by Kishimoto himself, so they are regarded as cannon material just like the manga), it was posted on mangahelpers.com:

    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466

    Shikifujin databook 2 pg 228
    User: The 3rd
    Level: S

    Sacrificing one’s life to the spirit of death and forever sealing the enemy’s soul!!

    The ultimate sealing jutsu where the user sacrifices his life as the victim’s soul is sealed into eternal darkness. The 4th used this jutsu on the Kyuubi and lost his life. Even a shinobi such as Orochimaru had no knowledge of it and with the 3rd’s death, this jutsu is forever enclosed in darkness and will never see the light of this world again.

    For one who is witness to this, there is no escape from the land of the dead!!

    (Pic of Spirit and the Sandaime)
    The appearance of a white clothed spirit of death!! From this point, only the invoker can see it!

    (Pic of Spirit with knife in its mouth)
    The one the spirit looks at will have his soul eaten and must forever live in agony.

    (Pic of beaded arm of spirit)
    An owner seal will appear on the bead-circled arm of the spirit. The arm will pierce through the invoker of the jutsu and pull out the soul of its victim.

    SOOOOOOO as you can see, no one else in the Naruto manga, according to Kishi, knows how to use the Reaper Death Seal. And thus Naruto will never ever learn it. Also, I would argue that with this data entry the 3rd Hokage MUST have been by Minato’s side during the Kyuubi fight.

  25. “until he can make a one handed rasengan no problem I will not believe that he can do anything with genjutsu.”: He has on several occasions…

    “data books are writen by Kishimoto himself”: Incorect, they are written by interns who work for Kishimoto (99.9% of the time)

    on DDCS: ALL of konoha’s jutsu are recorded on a master scroll (which Naruto stole in the begining)

  26. @Mart1, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/29/ I think that’s the scroll you’re talking about. But the sheer fact that Kishi stated no one else knew it (not even Orochimaru) means that it was not on the scroll. Would a genin as talentless as Naruto was back then really be able to steal one of the strongest Fuuinjutsus in the series, when a Sanin like Orochimaru couldnt? That makes 0 sense.

    ““until he can make a one handed rasengan no problem I will not believe that he can do anything with genjutsu.”: He has on several occasions…” – I know he has in the anime, but can you provide a manga link?

  27. “Kishi stated no one else knew it”: I’m sure that if Kishi wanted to teach him then that wouldn’t matter…

    “but can you provide a manga link?”: Being lazy, I’ll let you find them: 1. Valley of the End fight (used kyubbi chakra which means no shadow clones) 2. Against Tobi (twice, it’s unclear both times, but both times no clones were shown, though neither was the rasengan formation) 3. Against Pein (I think he used it three times without clones)

  28. @ Kisuzachi

    I think that this scroll may contain the DDCS. If you read some pages after the page you gave, Mizuki tells Naruto: “That scroll was used to seal you up”.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/33/

    So, I think it contains either the DDCS or the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style that were used to seal the Kyubi’s Yin and Yang chakra respectively.

    Moreover, Oro recognized the seal (left by DDCS) in Naruto’s stomach, thus he used the Five Elements Seal to block it.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/49/07/

    (See also the next page.)

    So, he might know it, but he didn’t know what had produced it, as he said when fighting Sarutobi: “So the technique that sealed the Nine Tails is this”.

    To conclude, I believe that this technique was not written in this scroll when Oro read it, as it was created and written in it by Minato, after Oro had left the village.

  29. @Wo Ai Ni

    Do we know Oro read the scroll of Konoha?

    I think it is obvious that Minato was not Hokage yet and the DDCS was not invented yet when Oro left, as Sarutobi was still Hokage.

    Also, you are right that the sealing jutsu was written on the scroll, the Sarutobi had to calm people down that he didn’t think Naruto would use the scroll to release the kyuubi. I get that the data books may not be written by Kishimoto himself, but I am pretty sure he has complete control over their content, unlike the Anime.

    As to Oro recognizing the seal, it could have gotten out that it was a 4-element seal, which is probably easily recognizable to someone who knows seals, like Oro or Jiraiya. Simply seeing a 4-element seal is enough for Oro to know he should counter it with a 5-element seal… even without knowing how the 4-element seal works. The seal on Naruto’s stomach is different from the jutsu that produced it, the other jinchurrikis were not produced from DDCS, as Chiyo was still alive after she put the Shukaku in Gaara.

    I highly doubt that Naruto will have access to the forbidden scroll until he himself becomes Hokage.

  30. @ ripcord

    We don’t know it for sure, I was just following Kisuzachi’s thought. However, in NS episode 114, where we saw many Orochimaru’s memories (most of them are added, though, not original, but they are nice), we see him in a room, outside from which is written “Entry restricted”, and after killing the “security guard” ninja, he reads many scrolls. He has probably read that scroll too. As Kisuzachi said, if Naruto could (and after Orochimaru’s attempt, Konoha must have strengthened the security measures), why not Orochimaru?

    As for Naruto’s seal, at least Orochimaru knew how it worked and that it was some kind of special seal, but he didn’t know how it was produced. And it is the same as the seal on Third’s stomach, so it was produced from DDCS. The other jinchuriki, as long as we know, were not created by this method, maybe there was no need for a sacrifice at all. Only in Gaara’s case, they sacrificed his mother to seal Shukaku more efficiently.

    In reality, Minato could have sealed the Kyubi’s full chakra with the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style and avoid all the trouble and above all his death, but the DDCS was used for sealing away the Yin chakra, so actually, he died for protecting his son from it and for giving Konoha a powerful weapon for any purpose or in case Madara would try again to attack the village, something that proves to be true with the forthcoming war.

  31. maybe its rasengan because he hasn’t fully perfected it with using only 1 hand and this might make a difference. i dont think it would be mass shadow clones because they can get ripped apart easily by anyone and they dont work all the time

  32. My theory may be a tad bit cliche, but i feel that THAT JUTSU could involve a number of different factors that would allow for Naruto to become a shinobi on a completely unprecedented level.
    The main component of this Jutsu would have to have some aspect of time/space manipulation that Naruto could control in his own unique way. If you think about it, some of the most powerful shinobi (minus the few with the more physical kekkai kenkais) have all had some form of a time/space ninjutsu so Naruto gaining such an ability is kind of a no brainer
    But i dont believe that time/space ninjutsu would be the end all be all of this Jutsu

  33. “Being lazy, I’ll let you find them:” lol, Mart you overestimate my zeal lol. I rarely post links because i think im the laziest commenter here.

    “Mizuki tells Naruto: “That scroll was used to seal you up”. “- Mizuki is a Chunin so I doubt he’d know which jutsu sealed the Kyubi. He probably assumed the scroll contained that Jutsu (because, where else could it possibly be?).

    “Moreover, Oro recognized the seal (left by DDCS) in Naruto’s stomach, thus he used the Five Elements Seal to block it.” Jiraiya also did this when it’s implied he’s never seen the jutsu before “It’s to protect this kid, right Fourth” http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/12/ So its as ripcord stated, “which is probably easily recognizable to someone who knows seals”

  34. Kisu.: I sure don’t feel like finding them, but they are there if anyone wants to disagree. Just look at Rasenrengan, which MEANS he has the one handed ability.

  35. rasenrengan was in sage mode..i wanna see a link of Naruto making a one-handed Rasengan in his own normal mode..no kyubi, no Sage chakra

  36. Yes, but I want to talk according to what I’ve read. Mizuki said this and we can’t overanalyze it, if from the 1st chapter Kishi implied such a complex thought, produced by a simple statement, then we are completely lost, as whatever has been said until now can be translated into sth else. Maybe you are right, but we can’t know it.

    Another thought: when Naruto opened the scroll, the first jutsu he read was the Kage Bunshin (maybe it’s one of the most ancient jutsus). If the jutsus are written in chronological order, then techniques, that are newer, as the DDCS or the ETSS, must be written more inside, so if he had kept rolling it out, he would have read many others too, and maybe even the above mentioned.

    The fact is that Oro didn’t know it. So, it was written after he had left the village (you must also make a contract with the Death God to see him, so it is indeed written somewhere), thus he didn’t know it and I think as well as other jutsus, like Chidori or Rasengan that were created later. He used the Five Elements to block its flow of chakra, so he might know its function or he just did this to prevent any more action from Naruto (he has seen him starting to take the Kyubi’s characteristics).

    Jiraiya used the reverse seal (when Oro later notices that his seal has been removed, he remarks that there are very few ninja capable of doing so) , but unlike Oro, I think he knew this seal, he also had the key to it, hadn’t he? I think this page is given for our information, not for Jiraiya. (Just like Pain said “if he knew our secret, he could have won”, to whom he said this? To no one, it seems to be only a tribute to the great Sanin.) But now it’s me who searches too much into things! After all, even if we don’t find the answer, I think it’s a small, unimportant fact, compared to other facts.

  37. I think of sage mode AS his own power, However, there are still the Madara fights, he also only needed clones for the Odama rasengan and FRS. I don’t see a reason as to why he wouldn’t be able too though, if he was able to do it in Sage Mode.

  38. @Wo Ai Ni

    I understand that Jiraiay had the toad scroll, but since Jiraiya wasn’t with MInato during the Kyuubi attack (we know this because Jiraiya doesn’t know why Minato sealed the kyuubi in Naruto) it is likely that Minato created the Toad Scroll and told him to seal himself inside Jiraiya for safekeeping, since Jiraiya was also familliar with the toads.

    About Pain, I think he was saying it either to himself (just like when he divided up the Realms for the attack on Konoha) or to Zetsu who Pain knew was nearby as he told Zetsu to come out right after he said that.

    @mart1

    Sure, Sage Mode is Naruto’s own power, but he can’t use it all the time. I agree that Naruto has gotten better at chakra control even out of sage mode, it is subtle but Kishi has shown us how his speed has improved. However, he is a long way from being a genjutsu user. I don’t even think that fits his combat style, and I don’t think I’d even enjoy seeing Naruto use a genjutsu.

  39. Yes, Jiraiya wasn’t with Minato and he regretted this too much for the rest of his life (“I failed to protect my teacher and my student”), but, unlike Oro, I think that when he saw the seal, he recognized its source (the DDCS). Wasn’t he curious back then how Minato defeated the Kyubi and what had caused his death? That’s my thought, though, we can’t confirm this from anywhere. For the safekeeping, however, you are right.

    About Pain, that’s what I was talking about, he said this to himself, I think only for us the readers, to understand how powerful Jiraiya was, because he says after this “let us praise him as our teacher”, so I believe he said this to himself and not to Zetsu. (Because, AFTER this statement, he said “By the way, you can come out now”.) But again, I won’t insist, I just think that many characters’ statements are given for our information.

  40. “However, he is a long way from being a genjutsu user. I don’t even think that fits his combat style”: I think CERTAIN kinds of genjutsu would suit him like the original clone jutsu that was a genjutsu. He could use it in a prankster sort of way. Or self genjutsu, like Jiraiya’s, Danzo’s, or Gaara’s as I said before.

  41. @mart1

    Jiraiya and Danzo never used genjutsu, they only are able to use genjutsu deflection. In fact, even in Sage Mode Jiraiya mentions that he is unable to use genjutsu, so Ma & Pa toad have to. I don’t know what you’re talking about with Gaara and genjutsu though.

  42. “that justu” is a super sexy harem non jutsu ☺

  43. Ripcord: You know Izanagi was considered the ultimate genjutsu right? As for Jiraiya: Transparent Escape Technique and Gaara: Feining Sleep Technique.

  44. Naruto 491 is outttttttttttttt

  45. maybe just maybe he can can go into hermit mode while controlling the nine tails so he would be dumb strong plus he will control the fox by then so he would be set

  46. who wood win Kimimaro or guy?

  47. @Mart1

    Ok, I see your point about Danzo using Izanagi…. but it is a different kind of genjutsu, similar to Shisui’s eye. Plus they are sharingan only abilities. I guess he could have used his sharingan for other genjutsu…

    Gaara falling asleep isn’t a genjutsu is it? Anyways, if it is, it is self inflicted, Gaara would never be able to use a genjutsu on anyone else. FYI Jiraiya’s technique isn’t even a technique, he was just joking with Sarutobi, he certainly wasn’t using it when Ebisu caught him spying in Part one.

  48. “but it is a different kind of genjutsu, similar to Shisui’s eye.”: That’s what I am talking about Ripcord, I didn’t mean illusions like Itachi… Also how are shisui’s dojutsu similar to Izanagi in any way besides both using Sharingan?

    As for Jiraiya: I looked it up and is a jutsu, but it is ninjutsu, and clearly not a joke, as a lesser version was shown in Kakashi Gaiden. Still it is the same self inflicted type I was talking about above.

  49. That justu isn´t to contol the kyubbi, its´n not even a jutsu to control something that insde of you, the reason thay say taht the key is the way to complete that jutsu is beacuse he needs kyubbi amount och chakra with out the kyuubi to take over

  50. @karg

    I just don’t see how they could know what “that jutsu” would be if someone had control over the kyuubi if no one has ever had control over the kyuubi before. I think everyone is complicating this… just take the facts from what people say in the manga… I guess all this wild speculation is fun for some people.

    @Mart1

    Personally I would classify Shisui’s genjutsu and Izanagi almost as doujutsu because they REQUIRE sharingan to do it, as opposed to typical genjutsu (although I don’t know how we got side-tracked, we were talking about Naruto’s genjutsu ability).

    As to Jiraiya’s jutsu being used in Kakashi Gaiden, where was that because I can’t find it anywhere? Also, I don’t think “self-inflicted” genjutsu really counts for a genjutsu skill because ninjas are already skilled at manipulating their own chakra systems, the difficulty in real genjutsu is manipulating someone else’s chakra system.

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