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Naruto Chapter 489 – Kabuto is such a hax0rz

naruto-retro1Post Author: Bob

Hey folks, how is everyone enjoying April Fool’s day today. I hope everyone got a good laugh out of the prank chapter summary released two days ago. That’ll teach you guys not to take us too seriously here at Shannaro!!! In the end we’re just a bunch of jokers who write blogs once in a while, LOL. If it makes anyone feel better, I was pranked myself today, so consider that poetic justice I guess, hahaha.

Okay, on to the real chapter this week. Like a lot of you when I heard about the early spoilers about Kabuto’s resurrection of dead Akatsuki members, I thought that somebody else had beaten me to the punch with a fake spoiler reveal. But lo and behold, fact turns about to be stranger than fiction in this case and Kabuto indeed does pull it off. One thing that really surprised me was when Kabuto mentioned that the Second Hokage was the original creator of this jutsu. Hearing that alone made the Second a lot more cooler in my books because this jutsu is certainly not something a “good guy” would use. It’s no wonder why Edo Tensei was locked away as a forbidden jutsu by Konoha, but it makes me wonder what other dark techniques the Second had cooked up during his time.

Personally, I didn’t think Kabuto would make a move so soon after just reappearing last chapter, and I certainly didn’t expect him to pull off a jutsu of this scale. I guess this is one way to bring back popular villains that have been killed off already, but I think this seems almost too good to be true. Was Kabuto really this powerful of a jutsu user? I know he was like the Simpson’s version of Mr. Smithers to Orochimaru and stuck to his master like glue, but how did he manage to perfect the Edo Tensei jutsu in so such short a time when even at his prime, Orochimaru only managed to summon two bodies. The true test of the power of Kabuto’s jutsu, though, will come when these newly resurrected Akatsuki zombies go to battle. It certainly is very convenient for Madara that Kabuto came at this time to offer his services. Although I’m sure Madara has the resources to raise a mercenary army, the loss of the major members of his organization should have hampered his plans somewhat as they would be useful to spearhead any major attacks in the upcoming war. Now, all the big guns have returned, including Pein, Deidara, Kakuzu, Sasori and even Itachi. But I have my doubts whether these zombie knock-offs will come close to having the powers of their living predecessors. For one thing, the thought of bringing back Nagato for Kabuto to gain control of Pein’s bodies seems like a broken mechanic in this jutsu; the same goes for resurrecting Sasori in order to access his hundred puppet army. It feels like there’s no upper limit to how powerful Edo Tensei can go since Kabuto will be in control of a myriad of kekkeri genkai abilities. The only zombie Akatsuki that’s at a disadvantage right now is probably Itachi. After all, his little bro just took his eyes and Itachi doesn’t really have anything very special to offer without his Sharigans; maybe Madara can spare him some Sharingans on loan from his collection.


The Kabuto part really overshadowed the rest of the chapter which I felt was actually quite a refreshing read. For the first time in what feels like forever, there wasn’t a single appearance or mention of Sasuke. Not only that, Kishi seems to have listened to our complaints and brought back some much missed humor back into the manga. Even though a major conflict is looming on the horizon, it was nice to see our favorite Naruto characters genuinely smiling and happily going about life. I guess Tsunade’s awakening really brought back a lot of spirit into Konoha, which was much needed after the recent series of events. Of course, this means Kakashi has missed his chance at the Hokage throne yet again. But even though I cheered for his nomination in the past, the truth is Kakashi becoming the kage might mean we won’t be seeing him on the frontlines as often expect for major battles. So in the end, Tsunade’s return is a very good thing for everyone.


The scene with Naruto being summoned to toad mountain to meet the Elder Sage was a lot more relaxed than I anticipated considering that this might be a crucial point in how Naruto develops his powers in the future. The encounter with an octopus that the sage mentions is undoubtedly referring to a future meeting between Naruto and Killer Bee. And with the story leaning towards Naruto learning to better control the Kyuubi, this is strong indication that Naruto could be training under Killer Bee for a while in the future. I think we all know who “the young man with powerful eyes” is, but I wished the sage would offer a hint on how that battle might turn out; I think that would have been great foreshadowing, especially if the sage mentions an outcome we hadn’t anticipated before. Lastly, Naruto is granted access to the key to opening and closing the seal to the Kyuubi set by his father. It felt like Naruto was being granted the Nuclear Launch codes in this scene, because it gave him complete control over releasing the Kyuubi into the world again. This is very significant event in Naruto’s life right now, but I think he must feel a lot of conflict inside. On the one hand, he had promised in the past not to rely on the Kyuubi’s power anymore and made himself stronger through vigorous sage mode training. Going back and releasing Kyuubi’s powers again will be like going against all his hard work and personal accomplishments. But on the other hand, Naruto must consider whether he can win against the new Sasuke with just his powers alone. Even when Naruto fought Pein, he used his Kyuubi transformation (even if not willingly) to gain an upper hand. Also, Minato didn’t just seal Kyuubi inside Naruto without a reason, he foresaw Madara’s threat to Konoha and gave his son that power to resist Madara in the future. Right now, Naruto is still apprehensive of Kyuubi’s power considering that he has caused destruction and hurt his friends whenever he transformed. But I think his encounter with Killer Bee will help ease that mentality towards the Bijuu and give Naruto a power upgrade even greater than sage mode.

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155 Responses

  1. Excellent analysis Bob. I too really thought Edo Tensei was a joke, but like I said in your other blog post, I think Kishi wanted to express to us that Kabutoro is big trouble, and not just tomorrow but today.

    I don’t know about Itachi & his sharingans though, someone mentioned in your other post that Edo Tensei creates replicas in a sense, so Itachi should have his eyes back. Otherwise, you could say Kakuzu wouldn’t have any hearts either. It is possible Kakuzu has one heart… but Nagato already is emaciated so I guess they appear as they had died or something similar… so then Itachi is blind? Oh well I confused myself. Any takers on this one?

  2. I loved this chapter! I think you did a great job Bob, but I wonder what “that” Jutsu is the frog keeps talking about!

  3. When is comes to Kabuto, I can’t really say until I see him in battle but he has to be strong if he can control those ninja, he even surprised Madara! I think the biggest problem if the Nagato body because not only does he has the rinnegan, he has all 5 elemental chakras and the six path techniques and even the ability to to bring back the dead, but thats if he has power over the rinnegan!

  4. fuck , they can’t be like the original , impossible …. and kanbuto is like nail in the bones , he must die

  5. point of order. i believe Oro could produce 3 bodies but when he fought the third one was blocked. if you remember a 3rd coffin did start to come out.

    secondly, i dont see a problem with kabuto knowing this jutsu since he is part Oro now.

    also, does pein still have his eyes? i mean madara went to try and take them, so if he was succesful does that mean that the summon would have no eyes? the same goes for itachi, who we know had his eyes removed.

    if they have there eyes that make this technique uber since it is literally creating a sharingan and rinegan.

    oh well, it was nice to see some comical elements back. ha ha ha worm soup.

    oh and side note, i think kabuto is going to join akatsuki as a way of getting to sasuke. since he has stated in a past chapter sasuke is his first target (just after he implaneted the eye when the teams were searching for sasuke during the sasuke itachi ark.)

    ok im out.

  6. Haha great april fool’s. I was afraid I’d spoiled myself with the photos of Obito as I tried to find the link to CH 489.
    Correction: Orochimaru had the ability to summon three bodies. It was the Third who prevented the 4th Hokage to being summoned.
    Also, makes you wonder if Kabuto can summon more bodies. He was only limited to the fact these were the only DEAD Akatsuki memebers.

  7. What I don’t get, is why Kabuto didn’t summon Hashirama again, then keep these guys as back-ups just in case Madara won. Hashirama would be the perfect counter to someone claiming to be Madara, and would probably be very insightful and know most of Madara’s tricks.

  8. Actually, it shouldn’t be surprising (in my opinion) Kabuto is well known for his Medical Ninjutsu, combine that with Orochimaru’s chakra, body, and God (Kishi) knows how many years of following/skill Kabuto has learned… Yup, Kabuto becomes a beast immediately. The only problem I have is that the skip from assistant/side character to main villain is too massive! Can anyone tell me they see Kabuto fighting against ANY Naruto character beside Madara/Sasuke?!

  9. ZOMG DEIDARA! YAY YAY YAY! DEIDARA-KUN BABY X-3 I just wish he wasn’t so scraggly T_T

    Tsunade’s fat ._.

    Is it: Pein, Kakuzu, Deidara, Sasori then itachi? In that order, I mean.

    Finally, a brand new step towards the future. I’m anticipating a huge time-skip that involves Naruto training under Killer Bee, and when it comes back, Naruto’s like-19. I believe it will start out with Kabuto and Madara having gotten the Akatsuki Goons (GO DEIDARA GO!) ready for battle. Like, making them look alive again O_o You know, like Hashi and Tobi looked like. Their skin was gray, but they weren’t all…Old, RasenShurken torn, Explosified, Stabbed, and…Uh…Sick-ed O_O But I think Part III is approaching, and it’ll focus on the upcoming war, Kisame’s little undercover thing (how it went) and things like that.

    Awesome breakdown Bob-bo

  10. I see Kabuto getting in a SERIOUS brawl with either Kakashi or Yamato…or SAI for that matter. Hell, Sakura would even step up to battle him (if she can, once again, get over her uber “SASUKE! >:3” state she has been thrown in)

  11. Did people forget what Kabuto did to Tsunade? I think Kabuto joining Akatsuki is gonna be a hard squad to go against. Rinnegan + Sharigan + Sasori’s puppet’s + Kakuzu raw power + The new Kabuto + The new Sasuke + 7 tailed beast + Kisame + Black/White Zetsu + Tobi.

    I wonder what was Madara plan before he met up with Kabuto. I mean he said he was after the rinnegan, so does he still need them? And how will Sasuke react seeing Itachi Zombie. How can kabuto and Sasuke work together? Unless Kabuto would just be in the shadows of the war. The build up is great

  12. i dont think kabuto plans on actually using those puppets he said himself it was just a performance to show madara his power an i think his only motive 4 joining akatsuki is 2 get close to sasuke an well if he does plan on using them hes a RE RE cause i dont think sasuke will take it lightly seeing his brother used as a puppet its also possible kabuto doesn’t even know sasuke’s with akatsuki right now

  13. I think everyone seems to forget the edo tensei is a time space ninjustsu and all that it requires are dead bodies for the scarfice. That is why he was killing those ninjas in the last chapter. When the third explained it the ninja only comes back with about a third of there strength, but kubuto says he has taken the technique to the next level so he may be able to give them 100% of there power. Also kubuto is trying to get close to madara so he can get close to sasuke, remember he said he was gonna kill sasuke first then go after naruto.

  14. About if nagato and itachi still have thier eyes, and the rest of akatsuki with thier abilities, I don’t know if it’s known that the ninjas brought out by edo tensi technique still keep thier full strength as if they’re were really alive and well, but that technique doesn’t require their entire dead body parts and inn the battle with the third hokage the first hokage still had his kekke genkai wood techniques so since the sharigan and the rinnigan are itachi and nagato’s kekke genkai they should still have it with edo tensai.

    Some people think that Kabuto was made too powerful now, I’d say what did you expect? I mean he was already and excellent medical ninja, and orochimaru not exactly a pushover, with his knowledge of forbidden techniques and his regeneration abilities, as well as his huge reserves of chakra. Now with orochimaru’s dna inside him kabuto has become a serious threat to the ninja world. Did you see madara’s “oh shit” face? He doen’t just do that for anybody.

    It’s most likely now that naruto will recieve a little training from Bee on how to control the bijuu inside him, which I’m sure will be essential to fighting against sasuke. I’m positive he’s gonna throw some powerful genjutsu naruto’s way, and since the beggining of this story naruto hasn’t had the best of times fighting against it, and the kyuubi helping him out with this like the octopus did for Bee will be a huge help. Sasuke has already surpass itachi in strength chapters ago, but know that he has the ems, this will be naruto’s toughest fight yet, even more tougher than pain.

  15. Kabuto is no push over, in part one jiriya said 4 eyes could go toe to toe with kakashi if he wanted to plus his medical skills as well as hi dead soul justsu is crazy. Also I think everyone is forgeting that edo tensei is a time space ninjustsu and all that it requires are dead bodies for the scarfice. That is why he was killing those ninjas in the last chapter. When the third explained it the ninja only comes back with about a third of there strength, but kubuto says he has taken the technique to the next level so he may be able to give them 100% of there power. Also kubuto is trying to get close to madara so he can get close to sasuke, remember he said he was gonna kill sasuke first then go after naruto.

  16. NewLight1: it never said that the bodies came back at 1/3 power…

    Naruler: are you joking? Sai, Kakashi and Yammato combined would have no chance against any one of those ninja’s let alone, them as a group.

    BI: That just seems like the old Akatsuki plus Kabutorochi and Sasuke. Also, I think reviving Nagato is a bad idea, he may be able to regain his freewill now that Kabuto has re-jumpstarted his life, leading him to then revive the others and really attack Madara.

  17. @mart1
    The reason Kabuto didn’t summon Hashirama was because his soul was sealed, along with the Second’s and Third’s soul, so it’s safe to say that unless someone manages to unseal the Reaper Death Seal they won’t be coming back anytime soon. I wonder will Kabuto use Itachi to keep Sasuke at bay? Will he use Edo Tensei to bring back Jiraiya and make Jiraiya face Naruto or maybe Tsunade as a cruel joke? There are limitless possibilities with the introduction of Kabuto, no doubt that Madara crapped his pants when he realized that he had just been Edo Tensei-ed. I like that the plot is moving along fairly quickly now with trace elements of the old Naruto, I just hope we find out what Naruto thinks of Hinata’s feelings towards him, I hope he doesn’t say, “Were Just Friends”, that would be a big burn, and you see mart1 my spoiler were right 😉 . Well, peaceout

  18. ONe thing I notice forsure all the sumoning ninjas all are missing things that made them who they are, like itachi with his eyes, nagato with out his bodies, kuzuku with out his hearts, so im pretty sure there gonna have some kinda abilities, other wise there just a waste of summons, so kabuto has something up his sleeve, cant wait for narutos training with the 8tails, somethings tellin me that kisame is not going to capture him, kishi has def made up for the past few bad chapters, im likin were all this is heading, anyways nice prank bob lol

  19. “and you see mart1 my spoiler were right . Well, peaceout” – I was on the dis-information squad for bob-sama

    “so it’s safe to say that unless someone manages to unseal the Reaper Death Seal” – It was hinted at that Yondaime was about to be summoned via Edo Tensei until Hiruzen stopped it, which would mean Edo Tensei isn’t cancelled out by Reaper Death Seal inately (but the bodies can be killed with it). This comes from the soul that is sacrificed, which then becomes the deads tie to the mortal world, remove that and Edo Tensei can’t work. Thus I don’t think it was the two Hokage’s souls that were sealed, but the sound genin’s souls that were modified to resemble the two hokages.

  20. one of your best sypnosis yet..Ty sir

  21. My last word for all, I MEAN ALL INCLUDING MYSELF, all of you are correct that ONCE said he wanted Sasuke’s life. HOWEVER, Kabuto said he was tired of being Orochimaru’s shadow, so if he resented following Oro why would he target Sasuke, the person who set him free and gave the opportunity to control Orochimaru’s side and prove he had his own power?! AND If I wanted to take Sasuke’s life, I’d wait until he’s alone rather than having Madara KNOW THAT I EXIST AND LET HIM KNOW THAT I CAN USE ALMIGHTY JUTSU!!!!!! ANYWAY SHOULDNT KABUTO LEARN FROM HIS MASTER AND NOT PURSUE THIS PATH!!! SOMEONE ANSWER THAT CUZ I FIND KABUTOS MOTIVE SEVERLY FLAWED!!!

  22. Kabuto doesn’t connect freedom with Sasuke. He wants to kill Sasuke, but his self intrest comes before that, and so he would rather join Akatsuki than kill Sasuke.

  23. @ Mart1: u got a point there re: the summoning of the 4th… since technically his soul should be sealed from using his technique on the Kyuubi. I think we’re probably over-analyzing the permutations tho.

    I don’t think the dead summons from Edo Tensei have a choice… that is they must obey their summoner… The 1st and 2nd apologized to the Third (before Oro implanted his kunai in them) when they were summoned because they had no choice and would have to fight the Third due to the Edo Tensei technique.

  24. @ Bob:

    Good April Fool’s Joke. I’ll admit that I fell for it 🙂

    Anyway, keep up the good work! You’re doing a great job! This blog’s a great reprieve from the daily workload. On top of all that, ur a good ol Canuck as well 😉

  25. Kabuto bringing back these guys was a dick move (sorry for the graphic language). Deidara was forced into Akatsuki by Itachi, Nagato fought all his life for peace, Itachi gave up everything for Konoha and his emo little brother, Sasori found happiness letting his “parents” kill him and Kakuzu…..well he didn’t learn a lesson. Point is, none of these guys deserved to have their graves desecrated like this (except maybe Kakuzu). Well at least we got to see how tall Nagato was without his wheelchair thingy huh?

    I think Kishi gave this jutsu to the Second because he’s the least developed of all the Hokages, so Kishi basically felt sorry for him because Tobirama definitely didn’t seem like the type to use this technique. Yep Kishi definitely pulled this one from his ass. The Second would be known for this technique instead of water techs lol, but Kishi just thought it up so……..

    Naruto getting the key is what I call “OverPowered no Jutsu”. But thankfully, we’ve seen that the Kyubi isnt unstoppable (although it would take nothing short of Nagato to subdue it with force), so Naruto’s fights wont be predictable (unlike a certain black-haired, emo, Sharingan-using character who’s name shall not be mentioned since this chapter was 100% free of his presence)

    B.t.w, shouldn’t Karin have been tortured and interrogated rather than casually asking her questions? *sigh Konoha never fails to disappoint me.

  26. @DarthUchiha18, Sasuke has by no means surpassed ITachi yet.

    @pacman, Oro summoning three bodies was in the ANIME only.

    @NewLight, Kabuto killed two of the three ninja, so using them alone, he could not have revived five bodies. Also, where did it say the bodies come back only with a third of their power?

  27. “kisuzachi, on April 1, 2010 at 10:18 pm Said:
    @DarthUchiha18, Sasuke has by no means surpassed ITachi yet.” – THANK YOU!!!

    @ “I think Kishi gave this jutsu to the Second because he’s the least developed of all the Hokages, so Kishi basically felt sorry for him because Tobirama definitely didn’t seem like the type to use this technique. Yep Kishi definitely pulled this one from his ass. The Second would be known for this technique instead of water techs lol, but Kishi just thought it up so……..”

    -I thought this was a cop-out by Kishi as well. Not a big deal tho. But I don’t think the 2nd would have flaunted this technique around because it requires sacrificing a living person. It’s against the whole Senju-Konoha Will of Fire ‘high-brow’ ideal.

    The 2nd developing Edo Tensei is probably similar to Chiyo developing her revival technique. Once they finished it they probably banned it (forbidden jutsu’ed it) right away.

  28. When I first saw Kabuto using the Edo Tensei and Itachi is what cam forth, all I can think of is what will Sasuke think? I mean his brother being brought back from the grave in such an unsavory manner and being used like a puppet? I would be none too happy about it. Plus he isn’t exactly a Kabuto or Orochimaru fan. I’m curious to see what he does.

    The toad sage basically told us Killer Bee training is right around the corner so I think we can expect it pretty directly, just seems like the logical way to go.

  29. So far this war isn’t going exactly as planned; Kisame in the cloud village, Sasuke now has the eternal mangekyo, 7 tailed beasts are in Madara’s hands, and now he has the old akatsuki members back along with a stronger Kabuto. Still, looks like it’ll soon be time for Naruto to get some much needed jinchurriki training, and who knows, maybe we’ll get to see this mysterious kekkai genkai of Naruto’s that Kishi has mentioned.

  30. P.S.: That reminds me, how is zombie Itachi supposed to fight when Sasuke has his eyes?

  31. @ star69 &kisuzachi

    Trust me, at this point, sasuke has.

  32. yay yay yay kyuubiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. hmm..i think it was only in the anime where Orochimaru summoned 3 coffins and Hiruzen Sarutobi stopped one..in the manga ot looked like it was only two..
    yes the summoned Senju Hashirama still had his Kekkai Genkai:Wood Release when summoned by oro is beacuse it was in his chakra…I dunno about doujutsu, I think Sharingan users summoned by Edo Tensei wont have it coz the eyes arent an Uchiha’s..for the Rin’negan,they dont have this “god” gene that Nagato & the Rikudo Sage had which gives them access to the Metampsychosis Eyes[or Rin’negan]…
    thats my theory anyways..correct me if im wrong

  34. @ DarthUchiha18:

    I don’t think Sasuke was at a higher level than Itachi in his fight with Danzou.

    Genjutsu-wise, Itachi>Sasuke according to Danzou when he was belittling Sasuke’s Tsukiyomi.

    Susannoo: Itachi’s is more developed and stronger. Plus it has the sword and the shield.

    Amaratasu: a wash I guess.

    Pretty poor comparison, since there are other facets besides the three MS abilities… but Sasuke couldn’t do much against Itachi (who was always holding back and minus x% from giving away some power to Naruto) versus Sasuke who always went at him at 110%.

    Sasuke may indeed be stronger NOW with his new eyes, but we’ll have to see. I just don’t agree with your statement that Sasuke surpassed Itachi chapters ago.

  35. erm, no Bob, Itachi is not at disadvantage. the state original body of the summoned guy doesn’t matter when it comes to Edo Tensei

  36. i probably have this wrong so wasn’t the kyuubi sealed by minato with the reaper death seal? does that mean that the “key” to releasing/controlling the kyuubi has something to do with the reaper death seal? does that mean that we could see a few more details about the workings of the reaper death seal? a bit more clarification would be good (theres a reason that i am a question mark! – mostly that i don’t really know how things work but it is quite interesting to find out).

  37. Well, I don’t think that the bodys which have been summoned by Kabuto have the same strengh than the originals, because Kabuto will just controll them. They don’t make their own battle strategies anymore.
    And there is one thing I don’t understand, how can Kabuto summon all of them? As far as I know you need the ash or something else from the original bodys and then a dead body to do this Jutsu, but how could Kabuto have the something from Deidara or Itachi? I mean Deidara blows up and Itachi’s corpse is by Madara!

  38. Tsunade is fat, Kabuto is back from out of no where with Edo Tensei, Karin is bein questioned by Konaha interegators, Naruto and the gang is havin some well deserved r&r b4 the big war with the Akatski.

    The Scroll Toad finally got 2 Naruto after like a million chapters. Learning 2 use the Kyuubi chakra is exactly what Jirya started training Naruto for in the beginning while Kakashi was teaching emo boy one of his best jutsus. I guess that it is good that Naruto will be able to learn how to control Kyuubi’s powers especially from someone that also has a demon within him.

    I hope that Sakura can get over emo boy and learn a few new moves from Tsunade like her slug summoning jutsu or something that which would put her on the Sanin level with Naruto and emo.

    Now that Tsunade is awake she may want 2 choose a replacement because Konaha and the Daimyo aren’t really good at picking the right ninja for the job of Hokage I mean they picked Danzo…who was too old and far too weak compared to the younger generation of ninja.

    I hope that Naruto’s hidden kekkai genkai is Rinnengan because that would be AWSOME!!! I guess that is asking for too much though right?? I hope that Naruto does break Hinata’s heart and tell her that “we’re just friends”, but for those hopeless romantics out there I hope he tells her that they can’t discuss what their relationship shall b until after he learns to control Kyuubi’s powers.

    After all the anime I’ve watched in my life I smell a time skip around the corner. After the skip Karin will probably be a member of Konaha and with any luck a captain in their medical corps which would b very ironic and quite wierd for us Narutards being that she was their enemy; Neji will be a captain of an ANBU squad; Shikamaru will finally start applying himself and become a jonin as well as become part of a special war council against Akatski; Sakura will be a jonin and have a relationship with Naruto and rise to the level of Sanin; Shino will be a jonin and a member of ANBU; Ten Ten will actually have some important role(not likely…though I really hope she is killed off); Ino will be an interogator with her dad as a jonin; Lee will be a jonin and a teacher at the ninja academy; Hinata will be a teacher at the ninja academy; Choji will b well Choji; Kiba will be part of a special tracking corps; Naruto will finally b a jonin and known as either a master or more likely sage, and have an arsenal of new jutsu that Jirya had along with a Kyuubi/Sage mode combo transformation.

    As 4 the squad commanders they have a good future: Kurenai will have a son and name him after Asuma and Shikamaru is his godfather; Gai is well Gai with the added benefit that he trains a lot of Konahas special forces to fight Akatski; Kakashi has a new team but it is only chunin and they do a lot of S ranked missions until after the time skip then he stays around the village and he and Anko have a baby on the way as well(even though they aren’t seen together at all); I think that does it for now.

  39. Note my last post is just my opinion of their lives not facts but lets just hope that the next installment of NARUTO is a little bit like what i predicted as well as a lot more heart throbbing.

  40. where is this kekai genkai of naruto’s hinted at? i must have missed that.

  41. The Edo Tensei brings back the bodies in the way they died (somewhat) and to the users liking benefit off their techniques so Itachi should have a revived Sharingan, Nagato too. Where I may flaw is that a Kekkei Genkai (like 1st Hokage) is not perishable, eyes, bodily organs are.

  42. @BloodSasuke, if it DOES bring the bodies back in the state of how they died, how’d it bring Deidara back? He disintegrated lol. But the explanation fits everyone else, especially Nagato. After using Gedo Rinne Tensei and reviving everyone, his dark hair turned pale white then he died, just like the color hair that body has.

  43. finally naruto gets the scroll to unleash the kyubi, i think that after he learns to control the nine tails he will be more on par with sasuke. I finally think i figured out what “that” jutsu is that everyone keeps talking about. Naruto already figured it out when he told sasuke that they will both die when they fight. sasuke is too dangerous to the ninja world to keep living, and naruto realized that, the jutsu that they are refering to is the “death reaper seal” or what ever its called, i see this happening because of how the 3rd and the 4th died using the same technique.

  44. @alphagenius13, if it IS the “Dead Demon Consuming Seal”, then how can Naruto further complete it? And why would the Fourth want his son to die in such a manner (being forced to fight in the Reaper’s stomach for all eternity)

  45. Edo tensei don´t bring the real body back. it brings the sprit in another sacrifice live body http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/123/13/

  46. @ Sonelle, on April 2, 2010 at 3:14 am Said:

    “Now that Tsunade is awake she may want 2 choose a replacement because Konaha and the Daimyo aren’t really good at picking the right ninja for the job of Hokage I mean they picked Danzo…who was too old and far too weak compared to the younger generation of ninja.”

    -FYI, Danzo used his sharingan mind control/manipulation technique on the Daimyo, who from all accounts is just a regular person… albeit very rich and entitled.

    Also, Danzo is quite powerful. I don’t see how he’s considered ‘weak.’

  47. @ kisu & alphagenius13:

    I’m also under the assumption that ‘THAT JUTSU’ is the demon seal. I think completing it would be to further it so that the user doesn’t need to exchange his/her life when using it.

  48. Edo tensei…..

    seems like a powerful jutsu, BUT like bob said, i doubt the resurrected have the same power of the original live versions… we did see that jutsu in action during orochimaru’s invasion of konoha. the third fought against 2 zombies being of the 1st and 2nd, and successfully undid the 4th’s resurrection. i know the 3rd is pretty powerful, but i really don’t believe he was as powerful as the 1st who defeated madara. and since the 3rd defeated the 1st’s zombi, it’s clear that the zombi wasn’t as powerful as the 1st.

    hope that makes sense.

  49. Akatsuki members summoned by edo tensei aren’t as strong as original like when oro used it against third. Third alone handled also first and second. They can use their techniques but they look like they don’t care about their bodies and they don’t make smart moves as original. We’ll see how strong is this Kabuto version , but I still think they must be ordered because they are only puppets with inteligence, but still puppets. It will be interesting see when Sasuke and Kabuto meet. Also training Naruto with Bee will be nice but remember in samehada is still Kisame and he can kidnap Bee or sabotage their training somehow or just act as spy so tobi will know how naruto control kyubii

  50. i dont know if this has been mentioned so ill go ahead and say it

    in regards to this edo tensei crap, i believe there has been a major plothole that like will go, unexplained. orochimaru attempted to ET minato and only failed because he was stopped by hiruzen. that was the ONLY reason he failed. but minato’s soul has been sealed by the reaper monster thing. PLOTHOLE. it is from a long while ago, but kabuto’s reappearance makes it relevant again now. since the rules of soul sealing dont apply to awesome characters, i think its safe to say that kabuto will be able to resurrect ANYBODY. uuber possibilities include but are not limited to…. sage of six paths, orochimaru, madaras brother who got his eyes jacked, anybody with valid intel in madara, salamander hanzo, Yahiko (who knows how strong he could have been)..the list goes on. but these people who keep emerging with these god like abilities usually have one major weakness that can be easily exploited. we will just have to wait and see what kabuto’s is.

  51. in this chapter the scroll frog mentioned ” that jutsu” this is the 2nd time “that Jutsu” is mentioned and i am going crazy, what the hell is that jutsu..jiraiya mentioned it first on the mission to save gaara. so it must be something extremely powerful and dangerous.

  52. Damn I just forgot, doesn’t Diedara have a sister. She’s on the cover of the Manga, her name is Kurotsuchi. How would she react seeing her brother.

    With Sasori being revived, will we see a rematch with him and Kankurō? But then again it’s the nations against the New Akatsuki. Will Akatsuki attack one nation at a time? If so Sunagakure is in some deep trouble.

    I think a few you forgot what Kabuto said. He said he SURPASSED the 2nd and Orochimaru, so I think he mastered the technique to the point the ninja’s he revived have the same powers as they died

    WHAT IF HE RESURRECTS THE WHOLE ENTIRE UCHIHA CLAN!!!!

    Wait a minute dumb idea, he would have to kill a whole entire clan 😦 , but it would be sweet if he did though

    here are the possible resurrections:
    1. Minato Namikaze
    2. Kushina Uzamaki (that would be cold blooded,lol)
    3. Jiraiya
    4. Kimimaro
    5. Asuma
    6. Danzo
    7. Rin & Obito (could give Kakashi EMS, after all he didn’t kill no one close to him to get MS)

    I didn’t mention the 1st or the 2nd, because I want Kabuto to be original.

  53. @ X: I think it’s been mentioned above that in the manga Oro only summoned the 1st and the 2nd and NOT the 4th… I’m too lazy to check so this could be wrong.

    I agree with you about the plotholes, but sometimes we just need to leave the brain at the door and enjoy lol.

    The most recent one IMO is Kisame’s stealth mission… Kisame whooped Killerbee already, but the ORIGINAL plan was to have him hide inside Samehada to capture Killerbee in Killerbee’s backyard? WTF this is a retarded unnecessary roundabout.

    And Akatsuki foreseeing the exact time of Raikage to the rescue is equally retarded. To add to this, Madara essentially controlled when the Raikage left the summit… coulda just stalled another 10 mins and Killerbee would be back at Akatsuki HQ…

    But I digress…

  54. i don’t believe the resurrected bodies are permanent in the manga…just a part of kabuto’s power when he decides to use them. And they probably have most of their original abilities because edo tensei doesn’t use their original bodies, it uses their spirits in a sacrificial body. So Itachi can probably use his sharingon or MS, just like Nagato will probably use his tensei abilities himself without his bodies (like in the flashback against Hanzo when he repelled the kunai with shinra tensei).

    You’re right though Bob, it gets confusing where the line is drawn for most of the bodies since 3 of the 5 use additional parts or bodies for their main fighting. When it comes down to it though, they’re just zombies so it’s not they’ll push themselves with strength of will before they go out…again….which means they’re probably not nearly as powerful as before.

  55. and if it hasn’t been said yet, minato can’t be resurrected by edo tensei because his soul was consumed by the death god seal to “fight in hatred” forever or whatever. Same goes for Hiruzen and the 1st and 2nd Hokages since their souls were sealed as well. Edo Tensei just uses their souls in a fake sacrificial body so if their souls are already consumed in another realm it’s probably not possible?

  56. Kabuto is going to try to kill Sasuke. Why would he announce his intentions in the woods without following through with them?

    Maybe since then he’s forgiven Sasuke and is actually grateful for his new powers? I doubt it because what issues does he really have with Konoha? I guess they may have killed his entire family (maybe someone can fact check this). And how will Sasuke react when he sees his brother is used as a puppet? EMS your ass into oblivion. I think this will be a taste of Sasuke’s new powers so that way he won’t make the same mistakes the blind guy from bleach made (ie. getting his ugly head lopped off because he was distracted by seeing the world through his new eyes).

  57. Oh and why are the hokage’s two body guards on the cover if they’re dead? Does that make sense or did they some how manage to survive because Madara can only re locate people?

  58. First I wish to clarify several things:

    1. as stated, Edo Tensei does NOT use the original bodies of the summoned individual, it just REPLICATES that body EXACTLY based on DNA, which are restored to their full functionality with a seal. Therefore, Nagato will have a Renningan, Itachi a Sharingan, the others ect. the only one without most of his powers would be Sasori, who, as shown, has his original body (not the puppet one).

    2. In the Anime, Orochimaru summoned three coffins. On the first it said 1st (or 1) and out of it came the First Hokage. On the second it said 2nd (or 2) and out of it came the Second Hokage, THEN a third coffin started to come out of the ground, on which was written Yon (4th or 4). Following the theme of the resurections, and the fact that Hiruzen shit his pants about stopping THAT coffin, but not the other ones, it logically makes sense that in that coffin was Minato (who Kishimoto said was the strongest dead character). In the MANGA a Third coffin was summoned, HOWEVER, the THIRD HOKAGE stopped it from being Summoned (again) and due to the few views of the coffins, it didn’t show the Yon (4th or 4) on the coffin, however, it still logically follows that Minato would be summoned (Ockam’s razor logic, who else would Orochimaru choose to summon.) Now some may say that Dead Deamon Consuming Seal stops Edo Tensei from working. However, I think this is incorrect, I think they are inverse functions like + and – or * and /. Dead Deamon Consuming seal takes life, while Edo Tensei takes it back. I think that since Dead Deamon Consuming Seal is all about making a deal with a summoned Shinigami (Death God) so if you can make a deal to take a life, why not make a deal to take one back? These jutsu just seem Polar to me.

    3. Kabuto’s Edo Tensei: What I am hoping Kabuto will do (though I originally excpected Madara to do this) is create a zombified super body out of all of Akatsuki by combining them and then using THAT as his puppet instead of any of the originals.

  59. Kakuzu’s going to take Deidara, Itachi, Nagato, and Sasori’s hearts since they’re all zombies, they wouldn’t die without hearts and Sasori in his dead human form, as Kankuro has taken the former’s puppet form, to use as his own. Doing so, would make Kakuzu very powerful. -Maybe be pointless, but they could dig up Hidan from Nara clan grounds in Fire Country and reattach his head to another vessel.

    Itachi’s going to take Sasuke’s original Sharingan eyes as Sasuke has transplanted Itachi’s to his own eye sockets. (I wonder why Madara’s own brother didn’t take Madara’s eyes as an ‘exchange’.)

    Nagato- controlled by Kabuto, unwillingly brings back his zombie squad 6 Paths of Pain and even Jiraiya and Danzo.

    Deidara gets Sharingan eyes implanted to his own sockets from Madara.

    Sasori’s going to use the remaining scrolls he didn’t use ( http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/272/06/ )during the battle against Chiyo & Sakura. Since Sasori can live as the ‘undead’ without a heart, he’d make another puppet body in legions of human corpses. He’s gonna dig out a lot of graves. Maybe Zabuza & Haku human puppets.
    He’s gonna dig out Chiyo’s grave, and somehow turn her into one of their kekkei-genkai-possessed minions to be able to use the sacrificing resurrection technique as backup as many times as needed — since her body is already dead, it may require chakra transfers from others to keep on reviving the dead. Third and Fourth Hokage?

    Zetsu can vomit back out consumed bodies at preserved state and can be made to use as Nagato’s zombies (Danzo).

  60. reply to omoi: I think Itachi cannot takes Sasuke’s eyes because they’re already damaged. So it won’t be possible to take them.

  61. @walmart1 in which line did kishimoto stated that the 4th is the strongest in my opinion it was stated that the 4th is the greatest, the greatest does not mean the strongest…
    the strongest hokage must be the 1 because the 1 was the one who defeat madara… the 4th has died by trying that

  62. I thought the Yamanaka clan had blond hair. Whoever does the coloring messed up, and I didn’t know the 2 guards for Danzo came back. When was this chapter?

  63. @LordErcan

    If your logic follows, then Sasuke is stupid for taking Itachi’s eyes, since Itachi was completely blind at the end. It’s true though, I’ve always wondered why Madara’s brother didn’t just take, or at least try, Madara’s eyes. Perhaps it was because Madara was completely blind and his brother was not.

    @keilado

    We don’t know who Tobi really is first of all; second, the 4th Hokage did not have the ability to control/supress the Kyuubi chakra as the 1st Hokage had. For the 4th to stand up to the Kyuubi without that I think is impressive, even Orochimaru had trouble with the 4-tails. Plus, when Orochimaru was attacking Konoha during the chunnin exams, Anko tells the 3rd Hokage “I wish the 4th were still here” meaning he, even with the 3rd still alive, was considered the greatest, she didn’t say “I wish Hashirama were still here.”

    @Byakugan invasion

    I know, what’s up with the Orange! Kishi seems OBSESSED with orange hair in Part II of the manga, whereas no one had orange hair in Part I.

  64. @ripcord

    We actually know who tobi is, he is uchiha madara, the only think we don’t know about him is wether it is his body or the body of someone else.
    Well even if the 1st hokage has the ability to supress the kyuubis chakra did you think this is enough to defeat madara at the same moment, in the time where he was at his prime?
    Anko just wish that the 4th should be alive is that she only has never seen the first hokage in real.
    the only possibility that the 4th is stronger than the 1st is that it could be that hashirama had the rest of the bijus at this time.
    (Madara said this once that the first shared the bijus with the other nations.)

  65. Well to be fair, Kishi in the interview said that both the Third and the Fourth were the strongest among the dead ninja, this before Jiraiya and Itachi died of course, and that only a handful of ninjas surpassed both the Third and Fourth. The reason Anko said what she said was because she was aware of the toll time had taken on the Third, 70 something year will do that to a ninja. The Third was recognized as the strongest Hokage and Kage period during his lifetime, by Iruka and others, only dying because time had taken its toll. Regarding the First Hokage it has been said that he was the strongest ninja of HIS time by some Anbu Blackops and the likes of Madara most recently, I can’t stress the words OF HIS TIME enough, even Tobirama was considered the strongest during HIS time by the likes of Danzo. Is Edo Tensei powerful? yes, but its not unbeatable, it is not impossible to believe that all the strong ninja have counter measures against such techniques, probably most ninjas have techniques that are situational that unless otherwise necessary will never be used, Edo Tensei seems like a situational jutsu. So Edo Tensei is good and all, but it isn’t unbeatable.

  66. @John
    Madara exists in the time of the first hokage and he exists now, but the first hokage has more or less killed him( I think Izanagi safed him) and the 4th could not do this. The 4th has died in this battle and you must think about another thing tobi is not as strong as he was before!

    Well and about Edo Tensei, this jutsu is definitiv not unbeatable! First of all, the akatsuki members who has been revived are not the same as they were before they are somekind of zombies which cant think. That means they can’t reach their full potential!

  67. Now I must clarify several other things…

    1. “zombies which cant think.”- These aren’t the mmm brains type zombies that you see in horror films. Hashirama in his fight against Hiruzen was able to think quite coherently, he recognized the situation he was in and that he was under Edo Tensei within seconds.

    2. “Why not swith eyes so both Sharingan brothers can see?”: As Itachi showed when Sasuke was under Tsukyoumi, EMS is a combination of the two eye pairs. Both are individually broken but together make a whole single set, so someone must go blind.

    3. Minato was called the strongest in a Kishimoto interview. Why did he lose to Tobi when Hashirama beat Madara? Well 1. Hashirama spent years of his life fighting Madara, his whole jutsu style is a reflection of that and most of his jutsu are tailored to fighting Sharingan users. (just look at bringer of darkness) and 2. Madara grew considerably after his defeat, and learned his space/time teleportation AFTER his defeat at Hashirama’s hands (as stated by Kishimoto in an interview) 3. Minato died fighting the Kyubbi NOT Madara, though his fight with Madara may have contibuted to his death, Madara clearly wasn’t on top of the Kyubbi or someone would have seen him and if Madara had defeated him, he wouldn’t have been able to seal the kyubbi in Naruto.

  68. @Mart1
    to 1: The persons which are revived by Edo Tensei are zombies, not directly after they are summoned but after you give him the orders (Oro put a Kunai with a scroll or something inside them).
    That means they don’t fight like they normally would.

    to 2: I think you are absolute right

    to 3: You say that Yondaime fights only Kyuubi, but what we know is that Hashirama fights kyuubi and Madara.
    Well even if he had learned the space/time teleportation later after the fight with hashirama, he is still weaker than he was before. One of his goals is to gain back his old power! This means that he is now weaker than before.
    And who said that madara was on top of the kyuubi, i think this was never mention he has just controlled the Kyuubi.
    It is true that Hashirama had an advantage fighting madara back then because of his experienced fighting him, but even Minato would have the experience Hashirama had, he would still lose. The reason why Hashirama was so strong is because he could controll all the bijuus with his abilitys!

  69. “That means they don’t fight like they normally would.”: Actually, it just means they have to obey their summoner, it doesn’t hinder their fighting, as Hashirama told Hiruzen, “I am compelled to come at you with my full strength”

    “One of his goals is to gain back his old power! This means that he is now weaker than before.”- His goal is to have his old power AND his new power, because he would be stronger with the ADDITION of his old power, but that doesn’t mean his new powers are weaker than his old ones, just different. His old powers were far more destructive because their were orientated towards offense, and his new powers are defense oriented, together they make him “whole.”

    Hashirama has a specific jutsu to counter bijju, meaning he would have an advantage over any bijju fights, but not that he would be stronger than Minato in an unspecialized fight.

    “who said that madara was on top of the kyuubi”-someone said that Minato fought Madara and the Kyubbi at the same time, when it was two individual fights, my point being, that the Kyubbi wasn’t neccesarily being controled if Madara was defeated before the Kyubbi.

  70. @walmart1
    *Actually, it just means they have to obey their summoner, it doesn’t hinder their fighting, as Hashirama told Hiruzen, “I am compelled to come at you with my full strength*

    -I did not say that they have lost all there strengh what i mean is that they don’t fight with there normal fighting tactics. They just fight like puppets using their jutsus.

    *His goal is to have his old power AND his new power, because he would be stronger with the ADDITION of his old power, but that doesn’t mean his new powers are weaker than his old ones, just different. His old powers were far more destructive because their were orientated towards offense, and his new powers are defense oriented, together they make him “whole.”*

    -The only new power we know about is the space/time jutsu. What we have seen from him in a fight is that he only use that Jutsu ( against the bodyguards from Danzou)
    It could be that he don’t have anything else for now.
    Well, you could say that he just hide all his other Jutsus but would he really sacrifice an arm for this?
    And more or less Itachi also mention that he is just a former shell of himself.

    *Hashirama has a specific jutsu to counter bijju, meaning he would have an advantage over any bijju fights, but not that he would be stronger than Minato in an unspecialized fight.*

    -Well, but there are no unspecialized fights, take away the sharingan from Sasuke and he would have lost many of his battles, take away Minatos space/time Jutsu and he would just be a smart Naruto.
    Countering Bijuus is just one of his specials.
    And Madara mentioned that Hashirama was the only man who he had ever admired because he was the only one who was strong enough to defeat him.

    *who said that madara was on top of the kyuubi”-someone said that Minato fought Madara and the Kyubbi at the same time, when it was two individual fights, my point being, that the Kyubbi wasn’t neccesarily being controled if Madara was defeated before the Kyubbi.*

    -Minato says that “there was a man in the shadows who who pull the trigger” that means he had not fight directly with him. He just had controlled the Kyuubi for this attack probably because he can’t do anything now except teleporting.

  71. Wow so early on this long weekend morning and I wake up to this bickering argument…

    Re: y Madara and his bro didn’t just switch eyes… 1) Plot Hole; 2) Let’s not take everything Madara says to be 100% true… maybe he was jealous that his bro was on equal footing with him and stealing his eyes is killing two birds with one stone (attaining EMS and killing off his bro)… just some food for thought.

  72. Re: who’s stronger:

    The balance of power isn’t unambiguous in this manga like Dragon Ball Z – a good thing IMO.

    The First and Madara come from the same lineage (Rinnegan).. I’m sure that means that each Kekkai Genkai (sharingan v wood element) have elements that make them good counters to one another. Don’t discount the styles and experience fighting one another 1000000 times in the past as Mart1 has mentioned.

    I’m leaning more towards the Third (at his prime) being the strongest of all time. The Fourth was well on his way of surpassing the Third, but his life was cut short. That being said, I’m interpreting the Fourth to be more powerful than the Sannin at the time.

    Let’s give credit where credit is due: The Third oversaw a period of unprecedented Peace time and grew Konoha into the greatest superpower. No one probably even thought of invading Konoha during the Third’s prime years. He was probably in the Naruverse’s Hawaii or something during his retirement when the Kyuubi attacked since there’s no mention of the Third being there at all… maybe things woulda been different with 2 Hokages battling the Kyuubi (+ Madara in the background).

  73. welcome back bob ….again….
    i said the same thing too when i saw they key for kyuu
    it’s like giving a kid a bomb
    oh hear you go its gonna help you kill your enemies
    but it will also kill you
    wtf!!!
    on the up side we see comedy and and the return of the long missing anko and ibiki
    i got love for these two!!
    but on the down side even if naruto releases the kyuubi tobi ( i refuse to say mandara because it isn’t him) or sasuke can just control it with their sharingans
    and on another sour note

    IS ANYONE BUT ME PISSED OFF THAT HINATA’S CONFESSION WAS IGNORED AGAIN!!!

  74. @ “pushover, on April 3, 2010 at 9:18 am Said:

    -Well, but there are no unspecialized fights, take away the sharingan from Sasuke and he would have lost many of his battles, take away Minatos space/time Jutsu and he would just be a smart Naruto.”

    WOAH dude take it easy.

    There is a HUGE difference here.

    The sharingan is inherited at BIRTH. Albeit an Uchiha needs to ‘awaken’ it… but nonetheless it’s predetermined (not counting the Kakashi cases).

    The Fourth actually DEVELOPED his space time jutsu. The Fourth is just a regular Joe who was a genius.

  75. I knew that the whole power of the nine tails wasn’t sealed inside Naruto only! I’d said this before a few times.
    Back where he says “half the chakra” is sealed inside Naruto, I just have a major feeling that the other half is somehow connected to Sasuke.
    That’s the only way to explain his ability to have powered up so fast and that also relates to what Karin said. Unless of course Sasuke was just amped because Kishi wanted it that way and Karin is talking about Madara or someone else.

    I have a feeling that Naruto is not going to rely on the kyuubi strength. He’s been fine without it so far. I guess we never know, but in Naruto’s history, he always chooses a third option rather than the ones in front of him.

    I’m glad Kakashi didn’t become Hokage, he’s able of course but it really didn’t suit him at all.
    And before all the automatic haters come out with “kakashi pwns tsunade so STFU” kind of rubbish, I am merely just saying that it doesn’t suit him, which is what he said himself.

  76. “what i mean is that they don’t fight with there normal fighting tactics.”- I agree they don’t self preserve as much (since as Edo Tensei bodies there is no point), but that doesn’t mean they don’t know how to analyze the situation and react to it. Orochimaru didn’t say “use this jutsu then this then blah blah blah” he said kill Hiruzen, and after that it was up to them how to accomplish it. Pein would still use his bodies and protect his own, Itachi would use genjutsu, ect.

    “Well, you could say that he just hide all his other Jutsus but would he really sacrifice an arm for this?” well we have seen that he is able to regrow limbs, and his time/space ninjutsu is one of the most powerful in all of the Naruverse.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/ that is what minato said, which is “he saw through everything I did. He said that NOW madara was pulling the stings from the shadow, but implied that they actually fought.

    “there are no unspecialized fights”-What I am saying is that Minato vs. Hashirama, Minato would win and that because of Hashirama’s jutsu the A>B>C logic doesn’t really work. Just look at what Anko said when Hiruzen fought the TWO hokages simultaneously (“I wish Minato was here”). Without his Bijju (which he gave away) Hashirama is really weak.

  77. looks like you guys dealt with pushover already. I wanted to put my two cents in 8(. Well if he replies I call dibs! Bashing Hashirama is my specialty 8D

  78. @walmart1
    *I agree they don’t self preserve as much (since as Edo Tensei bodies there is no point), but that doesn’t mean they don’t know how to analyze the situation and react to it. Orochimaru didn’t say “use this jutsu then this then blah blah blah” he said kill Hiruzen, and after that it was up to them how to accomplish it. Pein would still use his bodies and protect his own, Itachi would use genjutsu, ect.*

    – Well, Oro don’t need to say what they must do after all this is a Jutsu and for Jutsus they don’t need to speak to do something. It could be possible that Oro had given the orders through his mind, and the kunais which he had implanted where the connections between the two but this is only a theory. We can’t say that they can analyze the situtation or not because we don’t know so much about this Jutsu, but what we know is that they are controlled by the user of the Jutsu.

    *“Well, you could say that he just hide all his other Jutsus but would he really sacrifice an arm for this?” well we have seen that he is able to regrow limbs, and his time/space ninjutsu is one of the most powerful in all of the Naruverse.*

    -Well, the only think i wanted to say is that madara is not as strong as he was before, madara has mentioned something like this when he has met the kages.
    It is true that the space/time Ninjutsu is one of the most powerful, but his space/time Ninjutsu has one weaknes, and this is he must be solid to attack, and I still think he can’t do any other strong Jutsus anymore ( But this is just my speculation)

    *http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/ that is what minato said, which is “he saw through everything I did. He said that NOW madara was pulling the stings from the shadow, but implied that they actually fought.*

    – On page 8 Minato says: ” There was someone controlling the nine tailed fox when attacking the village” which means he has controlled the fox (probably like Sasuke had controlled Manda).

    *“there are no unspecialized fights”-What I am saying is that Minato vs. Hashirama, Minato would win and that because of Hashirama’s jutsu the A>B>C logic doesn’t really work. Just look at what Anko said when Hiruzen fought the TWO hokages simultaneously (“I wish Minato was here”). Without his Bijju (which he gave away) Hashirama is really weak.*

    -Even when Anko said she wished that Minato was here, that don’t directly mean that Minato is stronger because when Minato was here too, they could fight the first and second hokage together.
    Why do you think is Hashirama weak, you know that he was firstly considered as the strongest in his time, secondly
    he had fought Madara while Madara has his EMS, which means that he has fight Madara while he used Susanno, Amaterasu, Tsyokonomi, and some new Jutsu we don’t know as well he had fought Kyuubi.
    The controll over the Bijuus is exactly one of the things why Hashirama is so strong!

  79. “It could be possible that Oro had given the orders through his mind, and the kunais which he had implanted where the connections between the two but this is only a theory” There weren’t any chakra strings or any thing even remotely hinting that orochimaru was controling them at that level.

    “We can’t say that they can analyze the situtation”-Hashirama DID analyze the situation, so we CAN say they could.

    “that madara is not as strong as he was before,” Even with the solidity factor, and the fact that he hasn’t been shown using other jutsu, he is still a master of combat, and can use this jutsu to trick others into attacking eachother, doing the work for him.

    “Madara while he used Susanno, Amaterasu, Tsyokonomi”- Madara didn’t use Amatseru or Sussano’o at that time either. (the proof of this is in his reaction when he got hit with Amatseru)

    “The controll over the Bijuus is exactly one of the things why Hashirama is so strong!”-In a fight without Bijju though, this skill is useless. Since neither Hashirama or Minato have tailed beasts in their posesion, it is a useless jutsu, you can’t control what you don’t have.

    “Why do you think is Hashirama weak”- I don’t nessecarily think that, I simply said that Minato was stronger, as stated by the Kishimoto interview. I was responding to this statement by Keilado: “the strongest hokage must be the 1 because the 1 was the one who defeat madara… the 4th has died by trying that”

  80. @walmart1
    *“It could be possible that Oro had given the orders through his mind, and the kunais which he had implanted where the connections between the two but this is only a theory” There weren’t any chakra strings or any thing even remotely hinting that orochimaru was controling them at that level.*

    – You don’t need chakra strings to controll someone pain could for example controll the bodys with another way too. And the hinting that Orochimaru was controlling them are the Kunais!

    *“We can’t say that they can analyze the situtation”-Hashirama DID analyze the situation, so we CAN say they could.*

    – When Orochimaru controlls them, then it could also be that they can’t analyze.

    *“that madara is not as strong as he was before,” Even with the solidity factor, and the fact that he hasn’t been shown using other jutsu, he is still a master of combat, and can use this jutsu to trick others into attacking eachother, doing the work for him.*

    -True, but all he can do is evading now and that is not enough to defeat for example the Kages.

    *“Madara while he used Susanno, Amaterasu, Tsyokonomi”- Madara didn’t use Amatseru or Sussano’o at that time either. (the proof of this is in his reaction when he got hit with Amatseru)*

    -Are you sure that this is a proof that he can’t use it?
    He was just surprised that Sasuke attacks so suddenly.
    Why else should he know so much about the MS when he can’t use the Jutsus of it?

    *“The controll over the Bijuus is exactly one of the things why Hashirama is so strong!”-In a fight without Bijju though, this skill is useless. Since neither Hashirama or Minato have tailed beasts in their posesion, it is a useless jutsu, you can’t control what you don’t have.*

    -Well, Hashirama has no tailed beast because he shared them to the other nations to stabilize the power.
    But do you think this is all he could do? I think he had much more moves which we don’t know and will never know.
    What we know for example is that he can controll many elements, which means has the ability to do many Jutsus.

  81. Dont forget one thing.. konan is still outside somewhere, she might be the key to the whole thing again. but i think she might die somehow, since nagato and yahiko are both dead.

  82. @pushover, they were being controlled, in the sense that a General controls his army, not like how a puppetmaster controls puppets. Puppets are mindless inanimate objects that cant perceive or carry out any action on their own, while a soldier is alive and can think of many numerous ways to carry out the General’s command. So while they are being controlled, or rather, while they are serving their summoner, its their choice as to how they execute the Summoners orders. Hashirama and Tobirama are the prime examples. Orochimaru said “Kill the old man”, but he didnt say “Hashirama! Smash the old guy with a tree, or Tobirama, drown the old man”, he gave an order and they CHOSE how to execute it.

    “When Orochimaru controlls them, then it could also be that they can’t analyze.” If they cant analyze then how can they fight? They actually tried to dodge and reacted to Sarutobi’s attacks. A mindless drone would continue the same battle strategy regardless of Sarutobi’s movements (like the Samurais did).

    “Well, Hashirama has no tailed beast because he shared them to the other nations to stabilize the power.
    But do you think this is all he could do? I think he had much more moves which we don’t know and will never know.” Hey, I think The Bridge Builder’s son-in-law had lots of super powerful jutsu that were never shown to us, AND he could beat Pain with one of those, but he just chose to die to show the people never to give up. See how farfetched that sounds? That’s exactly what you’re saying. Hashirama was the strongest IN HIS TIME, he doesn’t hold a candle to the ninjas alive these days. He’s probably just a skilled Jonin if he ever comes to the present time-line. Likewise, Madara wasnt all that strong compared to nowadays ninja if Hashirama could beat him. All that lives on are their legends.

  83. “When Orochimaru controlls them, then it could also be that they can’t analyze.” Orochimaru WAS controling them when they were analyzing, because before Orochimaru puts in the controling seal, they are just dead bodies.

    “Why else should he know so much about the MS when he can’t use the Jutsus of it?”-because his brother ALSO had the MS. he said “So this is Amatseru” meaning he had never even encountered it before let alone used it.

    “But do you think this is all he could do? I think he had much more moves which we don’t know and will never know.” And you DON’T think Minato has this as well??? thats just rediculous.

    “that is not enough to defeat for example the Kages.”- I think it is more than enough to take out a Kage. Danzo, who knew the most about Madara’s powers certainly saw him as a huge threat. With a simple teleport and stab strategy he could take out anyone. The key to this strategy is just dodging until his opponent makes a mistake or is to tired to block.

    “pain could” Pains rods acted as chakra strings, it’s like the wi-fi for chakra strings.

    “Orochimaru was controlling them are the Kunais!” Then why give the order at all or let them speak? The better thing would be to just deliver quick unrelenting strikes without giving Hiruzen time to come to terms with fighting his Sensei instead of letting Hashirama speak, which lead to Hiruzen getting peace of mind about fighting.

  84. @kisuzachi

    Where do you know that there are not controlled like a puppet?
    I already said that Oro did not need to SPEAK his orders.
    I said he controlled them with the Kunais.(Of course this is just a theory with the Kunais, but when this is true, then they have not analized the 3rd).
    And watch the way how they have fight no bunshins nothing like this, they just attack.

    *Hey, I think The Bridge Builder’s son-in-law had lots of super powerful jutsu that were never shown to us, AND he could beat Pain with one of those, but he just chose to die to show the people never to give up. See how farfetched that sounds? That’s exactly what you’re saying. Hashirama was the strongest IN HIS TIME, he doesn’t hold a candle to the ninjas alive these days.*

    – You compare elephants with ants…

    * He’s probably just a skilled Jonin if he ever comes to the present time-line. Likewise, Madara wasnt all that strong compared to nowadays ninja if Hashirama could beat him. All that lives on are their legends.*

    -Madara was stronger since than, when he wasn’t he don’t need to say that he want his true power back.

  85. @pushover, like Mart said before, Madara wants his true power back in addition to his new ones. If I were Madara, I sure as hell wouldn’t give up the teleportation for anything. Also, Hashirama beat a man he had fought all his life, thus he would have had to know HOW Madara fights and would have developed counters, Minato didn’t have any of this, yet he still managed to foil Madara’s plan.

    Don’t forget we’ve already seen what Hashirama could do (through Hashirama himself, Yamato and Danzo). And does he really stand out when you compare him to ninjas like Pain, Jiraiya, Itachi, Kakuzu (he lost to the First BEFORE he had the Earth Grudge Fear), Orochimaru and what we know of Minato? no he doesn’t.

    I’m not disputing that Madara was definitely stronger than he is now, that’s something everyone knows. But could Madara back then beat Madara right now? No, this Madara has nearly 100 years of experience and a jutsu that makes him near-invulnerable. You’re not getting it, they were ninja gods in their time, but their not outstanding compared to this generation (each generation gets stronger/more skilled).

    “You compare elephants with ants…” only to show you the sheer ridiculousness of your argument lol

  86. @walmart1

    *Orochimaru WAS controling them when they were analyzing, because before Orochimaru puts in the controling seal, they are just dead bodies.
    Then why give the order at all or let them speak? The better thing would be to just deliver quick unrelenting strikes without giving Hiruzen time to come to terms with fighting his Sensei instead of letting Hashirama speak, which lead to Hiruzen getting peace of mind about fighting.*

    -They speak BEFORE they get the Kunais implanted!
    This was no order, the order comes with the Kunais.

    *“pain could” Pains rods acted as chakra strings, it’s like the wi-fi for chakra strings.*

    -Yes and you can’t see them.

    *I think it is more than enough to take out a Kage. Danzo, who knew the most about Madara’s powers certainly saw him as a huge threat. With a simple teleport and stab strategy he could take out anyone. The key to this strategy is just dodging until his opponent makes a mistake or is to tired to block.*

    -Yes but against more of the Kages there is a high possibility that he would fail.
    Of course is there a possibility that he would fail also with his pasts power, but we have also seen how strong susanno is. This Jutsu also can defeat one Kage.

    *And you DON’T think Minato has this as well??? *

    -Of course he has some too, but the strongest of him are already known. The difference is we don’t know how Hashirama defeated Madara. I don’t think that the Jutsu we know from him are enough for that.

    *because his brother ALSO had the MS. he said “So this is Amatseru” meaning he had never even encountered it before let alone used it.*

    -Ok, but he took the eyes from his brother, he should have that ability then too.

  87. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/118/05/ Orochimaru implants the seal and then Hashirama says “No matter how much the world changes there is always fighting”

    “-Yes and you can’t see them.” What are you talking about? you can see them clearly except for a few partial shots of the bodies. Pein’s peircings are all smaller chakra rods.

    ” there is a high possibility that he would fail.” thats just a ridiculous statement… there is a POSSIBLITY that he would fail, but it is fairly low. EVEN if he had the MS three at the hieght of his power (which as I said he didn’t), there would be a greater chance of him losing THEN because Sasuke who supposedly took MS further than anyone before had quite a bit of trouble against the various Kages he fought. (and not just from exhaustion because he did the worst against the Raikage)

    “Ok, but he took the eyes from his brother, he should have that ability then too”- I disagree, because EMS doesn’t guarentee these techniques just as MS didn’t or that he could use them.

    “but the strongest of him are already known”- Hashirama’s jutsu were Wood element. These were his strongest because 1. that’s what he was known for and 2. he used these against Hiruzen.

    “I don’t think that the Jutsu we know from him are enough for that.” I do. I think that they were naturally so powerful that they lacked much technicall skill and just spammed giant sized jutsu at each other much like Hashirama did in his fight against Hiruzen. Hashirama simply got the edge because of his Bijju Control powers.

  88. About the MS debate, I am of the belief that you can only exchange eye pairs with your brother because a particular bloodline has certain MS jutsus, but in opposite eyes (as with Itachi and Sasuke). If this condition is not met, then getting someone else’s eyes won’t work.

    It is obvious that Orochimaru does NOT insert the kunai until after Hashirama says that there is always fighting. You can see that the kunai in Oro’s right hand is not inside a head yet and Hashirama is on Oro’s right. So your link disproves your point walmart1.

    Also, here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/119/13/

    we see that the kunai’s are not inside their heads. Also, we see that the personalities of the summoned spirits are erased
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/119/16/
    so they become mindless killing machines in a sense, in that they are forced to do Orochimaru’s will.

  89. An interesting thing the 3rd Hokage mentions about Edo Tensei though:
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/121/02/
    he says that it won’t be dispersed even if the summoner, Orochimaru, were to die. So it seems right now that Shikki Fuujin is the only way to end Edo Tensei… or at least right now it is. So it seems these new Akatsuki could be rather permanent.

  90. I guess we will just have to wait and see, though even if they were slightly less inteligent, they would still know all of their jutsu and be able to use them. Therefore they would still be able to take out just about anyone between them.

  91. Sorry for the multiple posts…

    I’m not sure if this is because Sarutobi broke Orochimaru’s jutsu or that they could speak all along but right before the 2 Hokages are sealed, they speak to Sarutobi appologizing:
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/123/11/

    Strangely though, Sarutobi’s soul looks to be split in 2… the portions that sealed the 1st and 2nd Hokages… I am not sure how that works, the splitting of a soul.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/06/

  92. @bob,
    edo tensei technique does not use the body of the summoned person becoz its not the body but the soul is summoned in this jutsu.,only DNA or some sample is required to summon the soul of the person frm the other world.

    the physical shell is of the human sacrifice made for resurrection.
    if u go back and look at he fight between oro and third after both hokage’s soul was sealed off only thing remained was the shell of two sound shinobi.so there is chance of itachi having sharingan..also nagato body is with konan, and kakuzu’s in konoha, deidara body got completely wiped out so there is no question of kabuto using their real bodies…

  93. @manisuchiha

    I think the debate would be that Nagato resembles himself when he died… so that means the Edo Tensei’ed Nagato is not his full strength self, or it would seem that way. So why should Itachi have his eyes or at least not be blind?

    I guess it is a matter of how the souls of the ninjas are preserved in death… does Itachi’s soul keep its sharingan?

  94. “Nagato resembles himself when he died…”: Of course he does, since the seal to restore the bodies wasn’t added. As far as Itachi’s eyes: it is my oppinion that since he died with them, his soul will have sharingan eyes, since the eyes were removed after he died the soul that resided in the eyes left with the rest of him.

  95. Does anyone have any theories as to why Deidara’s back? If they’re brought back in the same condition as when they died, then why’s Deidara there, and still in one piece no less?

  96. I guess ill be the first to back up Hashirama I dont think the Hashirama and his brother when they were summond by orochimaru came close to the real thing, think about this, the senju were known as the most physcially strongest clan, so if hes using a non senju body then its fair to say that he was no near his strongest , my point is dont take the fight between Hiruzen and the 2 hokage literal, as strong as Hashirma was the punch he had on Hiruzen shoulda broke every bone in his face. which to me makes me even more impressed on how strong there jutsu were, i personally think Madara is over rated he lost his arm from fighting shinobi that probably aint even on Kakashi’s level,

  97. @kisuzachi
    *Does anyone have any theories as to why Deidara’s back? If they’re brought back in the same condition as when they died, then why’s Deidara there, and still in one piece no less?*

    – read what manishuchiha wrote.
    The only questions is HOW did Kabuto the DNA of them all, afterall Deidara was complettly destroyed after the fight with Sasuke.

    @Mart1
    *As far as Itachi’s eyes: it is my oppinion that since he died with them, his soul will have sharingan eyes, since the eyes were removed after he died the soul that resided in the eyes left with the rest of him.*

    -Well, this is not Itachis real body and that’s why he will have his Sharingan (But as a said before, after Kabuto controlls him he will become a mindless freak)

    @ripcord
    *I think the debate would be that Nagato resembles himself when he died… so that means the Edo Tensei’ed Nagato is not his full strength self, or it would seem that way. So why should Itachi have his eyes or at least not be blind?
    I guess it is matter of how the souls of the ninjas are preserved in death… does Itachi’s soul keep its sharingan?*

    – I think that it is a matter when Kabuto get their DNA.
    But this is just my opinion.

    @waltmart1
    *http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/118/05/ Orochimaru implants the seal and then Hashirama says “No matter how much the world changes there is always fighting”*

    -as ripcord has already said this link shows the opposite.
    He talks first before Oro implant the Kunais.

    “-Yes and you can’t see them.” What are you talking about? you can see them clearly except for a few partial shots of the bodies. Pein’s peircings are all smaller chakra rods.

    – What I mean is you don’t see where the chakra comes from, I was talking about the range where Nagato is and where the bodys are which he can controll. The piercings are just recievers. The Kunai which Oro implanted could also be a reciever, and he give them the orders through this.

    *here is a POSSIBLITY that he would fail, but it is fairly low. EVEN if he had the MS three at the hieght of his power (which as I said he didn’t), there would be a greater chance of him losing THEN because Sasuke who supposedly took MS further than anyone before had quite a bit of trouble against the various Kages he fought. (and not just from exhaustion because he did the worst against the Raikage)*

    -Sasuke is a newbie in these Jutsus, he was learning it while fighting the Raikage.

    *disagree, because EMS doesn’t guarentee these techniques just as MS didn’t or that he could use them.*

    -Madara said that not every MS is capable of using Susanno, but Amaterasu was not mentioned.

    *Madara didn’t use Amatseru or Sussano’o at that time either. (the proof of this is in his reaction when he got hit with Amatseru)*

    -The reaction comes because he was surprised that Itachi had put this trigger into Sasuke eyes.

    *I do. I think that they were naturally so powerful that they lacked much technicall skill and just spammed giant sized jutsu at each other much like Hashirama did in his fight against Hiruzen. Hashirama simply got the edge because of his Bijju Control powers.*

    -This sounds like he would just spawn randomly trees and then hopes that some would hit…
    In his fight with 3rd Hokage he was controlled by Oro.

  98. @kisuzachi, on April 1, 2010 at 10:18 pm Said: three body was only summoned in the Anime…
    it was also stopped by the 3rd in the manga to, not just the anime http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/117/18/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/117/19/

  99. to do with the ressurection jutsu! im confused! how much chakra does each body have? is it either:

    A) equivalent to the Ninjas body that has been sacrificed?
    B) equivalent to the ninja that has been ressurected ?
    C) has to be divided like a mass shadow clone does?

    Im very curious to know what gerotora was talkin about when he mentioned perfecting “that” Jutsu, is it the Rasengan? or is it some Jutsu that has been created by either Minato or Jiraiaya that will be passed down or will the technique be something to do with Kyubi directly!! Hmmmm interesting!

    I personally think next chapter or maybe the one after that will be Naruto pondering the pro’s and Cons of what he has achieved without using Kyubi and what he will be able to do IE surpass sasuke! if or when he using the key.

  100. @Kisu.: “Does anyone have any theories as to why Deidara’s back?” I think everyone is back for a reason. I think Deidara will most likely try taking out Naruto since he has already fought Sasuke. OR he’s back because he knows SOMETHING about Tobi, He just doesn’t realize it yet, and Kabuto is going to use Pein to search their memories or something to learn Akatsuki’s secrets.

    @ Pushover: “think about this, the senju were known as the most physcially strongest clan, so if hes using a non senju body then its fair to say that he was no near his strongest” He was in a Senju body, as the ash used in the techniques added to the bodies of the sacrafices to make Hashirama’s.

    “(But as a said before, after Kabuto controlls him he will become a mindless freak)” and what exactly do you think this will do to him battle wise is what I want to know. Do you think not having his own will, will stop him from using them?

    “-Sasuke is a newbie in these Jutsus, he was learning it while fighting the Raikage.”- I took Sasuke’s version because it seemed stronger than Itachi’s but either one would have done as bad because Itachi was almost blind.

    “-This sounds like he would just spawn randomly trees and then hopes that some would hit… In his fight with 3rd Hokage he was controlled by Oro.”- I disagree about the nature of that control, but in his one fight, that’s all he did besides Taijutsu, also it would make sense that someone who fought against Madara would consentrate more on raw power and Kekkai Genkai than Technical Skills that would be seen, analyzed, potentially copied, and then countered.

    Other than these points I won’t keep arguing something we have no proof on. I will do on a blog on this though when I have time to gather evidence.

    “is it the Rasengan?”: Most people think that it is Dead Deamon Consuming Seal, BUT I’m starting to think that it is Edo Tensei, that way Naruto can bring back everyone at the cost of his life and die fighting Sasuke. He could then litterally fulfill Sasuke’s demands of “bring back my clan.” J-A-T though I called it first if it happens.

  101. @Mart, nah, I’m not wondering WHY he’s back, more like “how”. Everyone came back in the same state as when they died, but Deidara disintegrated, so how could he be back? That’s what I meant lol

  102. ““how””: I think Oro. collected stats on everyone in Akatsuki and/or Kabuto was able to find a small part of him to use. It would explain why Kabuto was in Amegakure (for Pein) and why waterfall ninja were chasing him (for Kakuzu). The other possibility is that he got bits and peices of Deidara from Manda’s corpse. Think of it as Deidara’s moment of “death” as the second he used that jutsu, not what happened afterwards, because upon using that last jutsu he used the last of his chakra.

  103. I agree with walmart1… Deidra officially died probably before he actually blew up into bits and pieces. Of course, he should be really bloated right now… oh well, I think this is one of those things that either will go unexplained (most likely) or will take a very long time for us to find out what is going on.

  104. you’re wrong, Orochimaru was going to resurrect three hokages, but Sandaime Hokage stopped it at two, figuring he couldn’t handle the 4th as an enemy

  105. @matt

    Try and mention who you’re talking about, as to who is wrong… cuz there is a lot of back and forth going on here. I agree with you though, that it must have been the 4th Hokage and Sarutobi managed to stop it. I think Sarutobi didn’t want to fight 3 Hokages, 2 was enough. Of course, I would argue Minato was the strongest so he would cause the most problems for Sarutobi.

  106. Also, the Sandaime would have stopped all 3 if he could, but he just couldn’t react fast enough to stop the first 2. Kudos to him for stopping the 3rd one though. He probably knew how because he studied under the 2nd Hokage.

  107. Wait a sec kankuro has sasori so how did he get summoned?
    Lol kakuzu is really happy now that ge is back

  108. @Matt
    I think the reason he stopped the summoning of the 4th is beacuse he don´t wan´t to se them as puppets for oro and not beacuse he don´t think he could handle them all

  109. i believe narutos mysterious jutsu is to summon the reaper of death, like sasukes sussano and he needs the kyuubis huge chakra to summon it

  110. I don’t get it. Why is everyone so curious about “what is that jutsu?!?” It’s so obvious it is a kyuubi transformation. The reason I know this is because that is what Jiraiya was working on with the Toad Scroll and Naruto, kyuubi control to end up with a full transformation.

    It has nothing to do with the reaper death seal, everyone that has used it so far has not needed a bijuu to do it. Plus, that jutsu is of little use to Naruto right now, it pays with someone’s life and that’s it.

  111. Ripcord: “that jutsu” obviously NEEDS bijju level chakra to complete, but by it’s own nature ISN’T just a bijju transformation because Minato a non jinkuri started it and left it unfinished. This means it is either FTG or DDCS (dead deamon consuming seal). DDCS just makes more sense given Naruto’s we will both die statement.

  112. @mart1

    I see what you’re saying BUT Jiraiya warned Naruto to not use “that jutsu” before he left at the start of Part II, and he reminded Naruto of what happens if he tries it. Soon after, Naruto goes 4 tails, it just goes well together.

    FTG didn’t exist at the beginning of Part II so how could Jiraiya know about it? Also, I can’t see how DDCS could be improved, other than removing the penalty, but it seems only the Rin’negan can do that.

    Think of the simplest conclusion to the facts that we have, controlling the kyuubi chakra leads to fully controlling the kyuubi, which is a HUGE weapon on its own. No one has ever done this, except Madara in a sense, but no one as a Jinchurriki. So, how could anyone know what to do with full control over the kyuubi chakra if no one has done it before? It assumes too much. Simplest explanation = Naruto fully transforms into the kyuubi while under control.

  113. I think that “that jutsu” is something enire new justu that we haven´t seen jet… ♫

  114. @ripcord
    If that jutsu is about the Kyuubi, then why didn´t Naruto know about the key? beacuse if Jiraiya had practice “that justu” with him they must have used the key to fully use the kuubi´s chakra…

  115. “FTG didn’t exist at the beginning of Part II”- You know FTG stands for Flying Thunder God right? That Minato invented it over 16 years ago and it was his trademark jutsu so of course Jiraiya would know about it…

    “other than removing the penalty”- Well with what we’ve seen in the Hiruzen fight, Shadow Clone Jutsu can be used to take out multiple people, with the Kyubbi chakra, Naruto could take out pretty much everyone alive…

    “Jiraiya warned Naruto to not use “that jutsu” ” I looked for this but I couldn’t find it anywhere

  116. @pushover
    As far as Itachi’s eyes: it is my oppinion that since he died with them, his soul will have sharingan eyes, since the eyes were removed after he died the soul that resided in the eyes left with the rest of him.*

    -Well, this is not Itachis real body and that’s why he will have his Sharingan

    hmm..my reply is that since that isnt itachi’s real Uchiha body then he might NOT have the sharingan coz it aint Uchiha..

    for Nagato that body doesnt have the genes necessary for activating Rin’negan[jus a theory]

  117. Here’s a rule of storytelling. If something hasn’t been used yet, but does exist, you call it “that” or “it” but if it was used in the past, then you call it by its name. That’s the Reason I dont believe its the Reaper. We all know the jutsu already so why would Kishi just not say it by now. Also, WHY WOULD THE FOURTH WANT HIS SON TO DIE? Remember he’s supposed to bring everlasting peace and that junk? How could he ever do that while dead?

    “Well with what we’ve seen in the Hiruzen fight, Shadow Clone Jutsu can be used to take out multiple people” – Yeah but you’re still gonna die. The Reaper puts his arm through the Summoner’s chest, which means even if you use clones you’re still a dead man. But shadow clones can be used to take out multiple opponents if the user is strong enough.

  118. @walmart1

    Ooops, you’re right, FTG is flying thunder god… all these acronyms combined with lack of sleep…zzz… Even so, I would think Sage Mode would be better for completing FTG. Aside from that, I doubt Jiraiya even attempted to teach Naruto FTG or anyone else for that matter. No one else knows how to do FTG except the 4th and he’s dead.

    About the penalty, I agree with kisuzachi, Hiruzen still had to pay with his soul, lets say that he failed to seal Orochimaru at all, he would still die from the reaper seal. So it doesn’t matter if Naruto could seal away a ton of people… he can do that anyway with Taiju Kage Bushin, we’ve already seen him make over 1000 clones.

    Here is the link about “that jutsu:”
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/251/13/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/251/14/

    You see Jiraiya mentioning in the same conversation about Naruto not getting too hot headed, meaning as he gets hot headed he uses “that jutsu” and goes out of control. We already know that the biggest thing Naruto did when training with Jiraiya was using the Kyuubi chakra and Jiraiya got severely injured in the process.

    About Naruto not knowing about the scroll toad… when Jiraiya unsealed Orochimaru’s seal on his stomach, Naruto had no idea what happened then either… plus when Naruto goes 4-tails or similar, he has no memory of the event so it isn’t too surprising he doesn’t know about it. I doubt he was paying attention if Jiraiya told him.

    @kisuzachi
    I agree, anytime it has been called “that jutsu” we haven’t seen it yet… it is a way for Kishi to keep the story a secret until he’s ready to reveal it… like when Naruto was working on FRS in Sage Mode.

  119. Guys, can I ask you something? I had a discussion with a friend and she insisted that it’s ONLY Itachi’s fault for the Sasuke’s current situation. By saying “hate me”, he taught him to develop only this sentiment, so after Sasuke had learned the truth, he could not feel (he didn’t know) any other sentiment, there was no more place for something else in his heart. When you have spent the most years of your life with hatred in your heart, you can’t just change and feel something else, like love/ hope/ faith/ happiness etc or just obey and forget everything and become a “law-abiding citizen”.

    I like Itachi really much, so I rejected this opinion. (Haha, the whole Itachi-Sasuke thing reminds me, with some alterations, of these verses of an old song: “All this pain that I’ve been through, I ‘ve been dying to save you, feel MY blood in YOUR veins flow, I ‘ve been dying to save you”.) Well, whatever, I have many counter arguments, but I would like to hear your opinion.

  120. I don’t know if that’s ALL there is too it though, of if it is even the same jutsu there… I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, I just think that there will be some thing MORE.

    I want “that jutsu” to be Edo Tensei, I THINK it will actually be FTG, and KNOW that he will at least have to learn Kyubbi control. HOWEVER on DDCS being the jutsu: “How could he ever do that while dead?”- What if he can sacrifice the Kyubbi instead of dying himself? this means he doesn’t die AND the Jubi can’t be formed.

  121. Wo Ai Ni: I think Madara is to blame, Itachi said right before Sasuke fought him that Sasuke was still a blank canvas.

  122. Hey guys, I have a theory on how Kabuto brought back Deidara. This may sound far-fetched. Haha. Remember Deidara’s arms? His right arm was taken out by Gaara using his sand jutsu on their fight at Sunagakure. His other arm was taken out by Kakashi’s Kamui. We saw that Tobi found this arm, and was reattached by Kakuzu, right? His other arm was replaced by a spare. I was wondering, how did Kabuto get Deidara’s DNA if his (deidara’s) body disintegrated? Now here comes my theory. Kabuto might have found Deidara’s crushed right arm somewhere. Haha.

  123. @Woi Ai Ni: “When you have spent the most years of your life with hatred in your heart” Actually a more logical response would be going into depression. When Megatron killed Optimus, he went into a depression. When Goku was gone, same thing happened to Vegeta. Remember that taking out this one person is your reason for living, remove that person and what happens? You no longer have a reason for living, i.e depression.

  124. “hat if he can sacrifice the Kyubbi instead of dying himself?” If a Biju is released from a Jinchuriki, then the former host dies. Not a very appealing theory there mart.

  125. “released from a Jinchuriki, then the former host dies”- That’s only the illusurory nine dragon jutsu, not neccesarily all cases. Plus there could be the case where it isn’t removed in that it leaves the body of the host, but dies and withers away into nothing.

  126. @walmart1
    I had to search hard for this one, but I knew it was out there. You all should really reread the manga if you don’t remember it so well….

    You see here:
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/07/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/08/

    So it doesn’t matter how the bijuu is extracted, it just matters how it is extracted. In fact, the Nine Dragon seal is only used to seal the bijuu away, but a part of that is injecting enough chakra to remove the bijuu.

  127. I meant to say “So it doesn’t matter how the bijuu is extracted, it just matters that it is extracted.”

  128. Who cares how Kabuto was able to summon the fallen Akatsuki members back with Edo Tensei, because thing is he did and there is nothing that no one can do about it now only be amazed by his transformation into Orochimaru lol. Finally I’m sure that Edo Tensei can resurrect anyone back to their former state, because remember the Secon Hokage was killed my a group of ninja and I’m sure that they didn’t kill him without doing significant damage to his body.
    As for “that jutsu” I’ve given up on trying to figure out what it is, because it is obvious that Kishi hasn’t created it yet and only wants to keep us readers interested and coming back. I figure that “that jutsu” must just be Naruto’s Kyuubi transformation into his Four-Tails state.
    I dought that it would be FTG because only the Fourth knew how to do it; he was only able to do it by combining his body ficker and special seals with his in human speed and I dought that Naruto or Jirya had the same speed for this technique.
    It may not be the Reaper Death Seal because I don’t think Jirya knew it because if he had he probably could have used it to kill Pein by removing Nagato’s soul through Animal realm’s body being that Nagato shared his soul with all six of his bodies. (At least I think so, but let me know what you think)

  129. What this is saying is that the Jinkuri’s bodies couldn’t handle the strength of the sealing jutsu because it was equal to releasing all of that Bijju’s chakra at once, however I am not talking about RELEASING the chakra, but sealing it further (inside the Shinigami’s belly.) it would have the effect of eradicating the chakra instead of releasing it.

    “You all should really reread the manga if you don’t remember it so well….” I do a fair amount of research on my own…

  130. “Nagato shared his soul with all six of his bodies”: I don’t think he did as they were more like the puppets that Sasori used than living beings. I think DDCS would have only taken out whichever body it was used on.

  131. walmart1 maybe right, but I was only trying to make a point that Jirya may not know DDCS so there is no way that he could have taught Naruto either.
    I dought that Jirya would have even if he did because in the flashback of him and Minato discussing Naruto’s name he said that giving him that name would make him Naruto’s godfather, and no godfather would want their godchild to die…right??

  132. OK, guys, thanks for the response. Yes, the “Madara reason” was my first argument and I think the most important if not the only one. At the pre-Itachi time, Sasuke hadn’t killed a single person, but now he can kill even… Moegi in cold blood.

    I think that after each meeting with Madara, he becomes more and more evil. At first, he saved Karin from Amaterasu and Killer Bee and few days later, he “kills” her, while smiling. He abandoned his teamates in the Kage Summit, that had also saved (and had been saved by them) few days ago and finally implants his brother eyes, although at first he had rejected this idea.

    Also, read this:

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-399/page010.html

    Pay attention to Madara’s declaration. He used exactly the same words that Sasuke is using right now. I think Sasuke is really manipulated by Madara, either with a jutsu or with just brainwashing. Also, he is the one who “designed” the Sasuke -Naruto fight and will force Sasuke to it:

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/10/

    In the end, my friend admitted that indeed Sasuke is probably under a genjutsu/ brainwashing; however, there was a record of hatred that Madara manipulated and used for his own goals. (Αfter all, all Uchihas are potential arrogants and criminals, with few exceptions, such as Obito, Itachi or Mikoto, it is as if it’s imprinted in their DNA.)

  133. @walmart1

    But the sacrifice for the Reaper Death Seal is the soul of the person who summons the Reaper Death Seal. So that would mean that the kyuubi would have to summon it, even if the kyuubi had a soul. We don’t really know that, all we know is that bijuu are chakra monsters.

    Plus, in the links I posted, Chiyo states that the removal of a bijuu causes the death of the host and in fact, I would think the Reaper Death Seal would be an even more forced removal of a bijuu than pushing it out with chakra, since Reaper Death Seal is an instantaneous ripping out of the soul when the seal is completed.

    My comment about rereading the manga isn’t just directed at you… a lot of people make these wild theories that contradict things that were already said in the manga. Maybe I take this too seriously, but I feel like if you’re going to get involved and make theories you should know what you’re talking about and not just be a casual reader.

  134. Ripcord: It’s one of those we won’t know until we know things, and even then not unless the theory is almost 100% right which I doubt it is. I’m hoping Naruto learns BOTH FTG and Kyubbi control, I just think that FTG is the one that should be tought to him since Kyubbi control can be learned on his own over time and mid fight.

    Those people also annoy me and I try not to be one of them, however I don’t claim to know everything, just most things, and have been wrong on the rare occasion. Then again, I enjoy it when someone proves me wrong.

  135. @walmart1

    Cool. Sorry if I got pushy. I personally have been hoping Naruto would learn FTG next… I thought for sure Kakashi or Tsundade or maybe the Toads would say “ok now you know who your dad is… here’s your inheritance” and Naruto would find the kunais and maybe with Sage Mode he could figure out FTG. I can’t believe Naruto hasn’t asked more about his dad or anyone else hasn’t told him about him yet… so bizzare.

    Of course, Kyuubi control would be cool… but I don’t see it having any connection to FTG, and I don’t see the Toad Scroll and more kyuubi chakra helping Naruto learn FTG… which in my opinion requires better chakra control as opposed to power.

  136. Maybe the FTG makes Naruto split with the kyuubi so only Naruto does the FTGhe, and e ned the key to make shure that the kyubbi dont split

  137. wow just found a nugget confriming that Edo Tensei is the Seconds Jutsu…

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/118/05/.

    I wonder how the Death Seal will be completed. Naruto is the only person to have survived having the death seal used on him, so im guessing there is more to the technique

  138. Madara doesn’t have Sasuke under a genjutsu or brainwashed he just manipulated him with the one fatal flaw that nearly all Uchihas have which is his PRIDE. Sasuke thinks that all he needs to do is to kill everyone in the Leaf in order to cleanse the Uchiha clan of their tainted name and heritage, but really it’ll only make it even worse because he didn’t take into consideration all of the other Hidden Villages and what they know of his clan as well as his own exploits,
    As for the hidden move of Naruto’s I just want to ask everyone to please give it up because it will just make your heads spin by trying to figure it out.
    If Kishi wanted us to know what it was then he probably would have hinted at what it was by now.
    But I do have to agree with Ripcord about why hasn’t Naruto asked more questions about his dad. He may know that there was a reason as to why no one has ever told him about his dad. Of course we do know that the Third Hokage has ordered anyone that knows who Naruto’s dad is not to reveal it to him (I do forget which chapter it is in, but I think that it was before Jirya went to the Rain Village when he and Tsunade were talking about Naruto’s parents).
    I have to agree with everyone else I’m 15% hoping that Naruto will learn FTG because that would be FREAKIN cool to see someone do it besides the dead guy!!!
    I want to take a moment and ask one serious question that I’m sure you guys will think I’m crazy but how was Minato able to take out the Kyuubi when bijuus are made out of chakra. I mean I know he was the strongest of all the Hokages and that he had an arsenal of secret jutsus at his disposal like the Rasengan, DDCS, FTG, and toad jutsus considering he trained under Jirya. So if anyone wants to can you answer my question in as silly a manner as you can…LOL:)

  139. @ Tsukage Naruto only survived because Minato used the Death Seal to imprison Kyuubi within Naruto’s body not to take out his soul just to use his body as a prison for Kyuubi; thus, unharming or even touching Naruto’s soul with the seal.
    P.S. Idk just lettin you know my opinion maybe someone else as a different opinion with more facts.

  140. The seal on Naruto and the DDCS are different, as stated multiple times. Just look at minato’s jutsu on narupedia.

    As for how Minato beat the Kyubbi: Bunta to fight on the Kyubbi’s scale and FTG plus DDCS as a finisher.

  141. Just read a spoiler, I don’t know if it’s real or not, But Kabuto tells Madara he wants Sasuke, Madara refuses, and Kabuto brings out another casket, doesn’t say who it was, but Madara was shocked and gave it a Ok.

  142. I didn’t realize that Kabuto used the same Edo Tensei that Pain uses are they the same? If madara wanted that technique then he’s got no choice to accept Kabuto’s offer. But even then are those dead bodies at their full state? or are they useless? I remember the 1st & 2nd Hokage was revived by Oro and they did used their abilities to their extent so I guess everyone do have their abilities back. This mean Pain will have his reningan as well as Itachi’s will have his sharingan.

  143. @9tail, Pain doesnt use Edo Tensei, but a few of his moves have the word “Tensei” in them

  144. @Byakugan Invasion
    *spoilers abridged version*
    I read the same spoilers, seems like Madara continues to crap himself and obey Kabuto request of handing over Sasuke, but only after the war, after Kabuto summons another casket, doesn’t say who it is, could it possibly be Madara’s little brother?. Naruto just discusses the usefulness of the Kyuubi whether to use or not and Kisame learns of Kumos military plans after spying on their meeting. Those are the spoilers for now.

  145. The encounter with an octopus that the sage mentions is undoubtedly referring to a future meeting between Naruto and Killer Bee.

    The octopus he mention it is sasuke not Killer Bee

  146. @John, or could it be the Sage of 6 Paths??? That would be crazy. Madara’s brother coming back to life would be just as crazy too. Now that I think about it, Madara’s brother sounds more believable. I think Killer bee’s village would be the first nation to get wiped out, Kisame has too much information on them

    I think Naruto should come up with his own technique, he’s not a copy cat like a Uchiha, but than again his dad was the youngest and by far the best Hokage

  147. About the spoiler:

    I say the casket can only be 2 people:
    1. Sage Six Paths, his Rin’negan are legendary and if Tobi is really Madara, then he probably figures that the Sage Six Paths would negate anything he tried to do with the bijuu.

    2. Madara. Yes, this would totally make Tobi freak out. Why? Because it would mean that Tobi isn’t Madara and Kabuto has proof (notice in the previous chapter how Kabuto said “you’re CALLING yourself Madara now” he didn’t say “oh right I forgot you’re really Madara”), so no one would take Tobi seriously anymore, his charade would be gone. Also, if Tobi isn’t Madara then odds are he isn’t powerful enough to to take on Madara himself.

    I doubt it is Madara’s brother… although this could end his plans too, since Madara’s brother knows the truth about the history of their clan. But I feel like this doesn’t add depth to the story as much. We will see.

    Also, I don’t take Tobi’s agreement too seriously, he says “after the war” which means Sasuke will have perfected EMS, which also means Sasuke will be no pushover and Tobi probably figures Sasuke will wipe the floor with Kabuto at that time.

  148. @ripcord- Ok I could agree with that. Now that I think about it, Tobi (self proclaimed Madara) is possibly Stronger than His brother, but we don’t know if Madara still has EMS or not, I never thought of it being Madara himself, but that would blow his cover wouldn’t it?

    If the other Great Nations + Sasuke see the original Madara than Tobi/Madara would be exposed as a fraud, but even if he was exposed I don’t think no one can touch him because of his Jutsu, and I don’t think Kabuto would use Madara or Sage of 6 Paths until the very end,

    or until they’re in deep trouble, I noticed that too when Kabuto said “So your CALLING yourself Madara”. Tobi has more secrets than Victoria. When Sasuke fully develops EMS I think him going up against the new Kabuto, would be a better show down then Orochimaru vs Hiruzen & Sasuke vs Danzo. I’m leading towards Kabuto by a little just for the plain fact he’s an all around ninja- Medical, High Chakra, 10 Jutsu’s that we know of, and Oro’s powers

  149. I think it might be someone interesting like Yagura. But I found those spoilers… Weird, maybe there is a better translation somewhere.

  150. @Byagugan invasion. I think saruotobi was the youngest person to become hokage out of the five. I’m not sure exactly what age they were when they achived the rank, but fact is saruotobi was in his teens (somewhere between 16-19 most likely) when he was declared the hokage.

  151. *spoiler alert*
    Here is the text version of the spoiler. looks like were going to have an early chapter, even the Raw is available already.

  152. *Spoiler Alert*
    Chapter text. Picture are out. Madara is getting pawned by Kabuto, seems like Kabuto is becoming the Aizen of the series.

    Madara: …you want to join forces?…What do I gain from teaming up with someone like you?
    Kabuto: War is upon us. I offer you military strength.

    What’s the true motivation behind Kabuto’s proposal…!?
    490: The Truth of the Kyubi!!

    Kabuto: Here is Itachi, Sasori, Deidara, Kakuzu, and…Nagato. A truly powerful group…Moreover…these aren’t the only Koma* I possess.
    [*TN: Koma is a Shogi piece]
    Madara: What’s the collateral?
    Kabuto: Uchiha Sasuke…
    Madara: …What are you plotting?
    Kabuto: …Nothing really…My interest is purely in ninjutsu. For that purpose I will need Sasuke-kun. I want a live, young, fine Uchiha for this.
    Madara: …And if I were to refuse?
    Kabuto: … (Kuchiyose Edo Tensei!!)

    One casket appears.
    Madara: …!? Th..this is!!
    You can’t see the body inside the casket.
    Kabuto: Do you think I would come here to meet you without a hand like this? That’s right…you can’t refuse!
    Madara: You…where did you get that!?
    Kabuto: It doesn’t matter…don’t worry though, I haven’t told anyone else about this.
    Madara: …Ha..haha….
    Kabuto: Is something funny?
    MadaraL Yakushi Kabuto, the vessel you’ve become…it’s different than how I would’ve imagined it…Even if I disagree with you, my military power is only dropping…You took advantage of that and came here…you’re a carefully strategic guy.
    Kabuto: What are you saying?
    Madara: Fine, I’ll join forces with you….But, Sasuke won’t be handed over until the results of the war have been decided…until then, you are not to meet with Sasuke. Also, I will have you guard and observe as well.
    Kabuto: Such an understanding person. As I thought, Uchiha Madara…though the vessel is different.
    Madara: …You’re an impertinent one…you’ve shown your military power, now use that to devise a plan to work over…follow me.
    Kabuto, what’s the meaning of this?? From the shape of his mouth, it seems he’s smiling.

    Kabuto follows behind Madara.
    The casket we were unable to see closes.
    No new arrivals.

    Looking at the dead bodies.
    Konoha Jounin A: For all these corpses in a small, narrow space…this trail of fallen shinobi, there’s no mistaking what’s ahead.
    Konoha Jounin B: And the trap?
    Konoha Jounin A: What should we do?
    Anko: Tokuma! Use your Byakugan 2 o’ clock from here.
    Tokuma: On it! (Byakugan!!)

    Kabuto and Madara are walking in the middle of a forrest.
    Tokuma: Captain Mitarashi…this is
    Anko: What is it?
    Tokuma: It’s not just Kabuto!…Akatsuki’s masked man is with him too!! The two just took an entrance underground!
    Anko: What did you say!?
    Jounin A: He’s the one who’s been going under the name of Madara in Akatsuki…Is this their hideout!?
    Jounin B: Why the heck is he with Kabuto?
    Jounin A: Have they joined forces?
    Anko: Has Kabuto purposefully led us here? To reveal to us Madara’s hideout…
    Jounin B: But why, if they joined forces?
    Anko: I don’t know…Anyway, we must take this information to the village!

    Fukasaku: What’s wrong!? Press on the seal of the scroll!
    Naruto: …
    Scroll Frog: Are you afraid Naruto…well, this is pointless then.
    Fukusaku: So what?
    Scroll Frog: Fukusaku-sama…the Kyubi’s strength — the Kyubi’s chakra and will — it is possible to unite those. It’s the power to control the Kyubi. In order to draw out the Kyubi’s chakra, one must change his chakra to make it their own strength. But it’s not that simple…by drawing his chakra, you draw out the Kyubi’s will as well. The Kyubi’s will is that of a hateful demon with tremendous power and chakra. And even if it guarantee’s strength, the heart of it’s wielder will soon be consumed by this hate. In short, to control the Kyubi, you must take both the will and the chakra of the Kyubi, and completely separate this hate from it’s will and chakra.

    From the 4th’s seal, some chakra has already been able to leak naturally onto Naruto. So with this key, you can fully release the seal and draw on all of the Kyubi’s chakra.
    Fukusaku: If that’s true…the Kyubi’s chakra will consume everything in and with that, its will.
    Scrol Frog: If Naruto’s will loses to that of the Kyubi’s, the Kyubi will restore itself completely.

  153. @John: next time post just the link please, some people don’t like reading the spoilers

  154. Speaking of link: http://mangastream.com/

    fresh off the press!

  155. @DarthUchiha, Minato was the youngest Hokage.

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