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Madara’s Weaknesses

I decided to write this quick, but I will probably fix it up a bit later…

I see six potential weaknesses for Madara:

1. No Ninjutsu: This one is simple. Madara hasn’t used anything other than his teleportation jutsu (which doesn’t use handsigns ect.) and his Sharingan. I’m guessing this is the weakness Hirishima bestowed upon him because it’s Ironic that the oldest Uchiha doesn’t use jutsu, even though given his age he has probably copied thousands…

2. Contact: It is possible to connect with Madara, though it is very hard. Here are the conditions 1. He must be teleporting the person who would be in contact with him (because then he has no where to hide his body for protection). 2. They must have an poison effect jutsu like bugs (The thing that actually hit him) (because otherwise it would likely miss or if it’s something like soul or chakra stealing end once Madara broke contact meaning it only does minimal damage.) It is also possible to make contact with Madara when he is Tangible, however, he is well aware of this and will sacrifice tangibility to dodge (He can also make objects and even people intangible with him, as seen when he teleported Sasuke.) So it is unlikely to hit him with this method.

3. Potential-Lag: Some people beleive this is a weakness Madara has or could have, in that he has a certain time in which he can’t teleport after his first use. I don’t think this is true based on his ability to dodge Onoki and E’s respective attacks while teleporting in less than seconds. Just thought it was worth presenting, because it is possible it takes time to build up the neccesary chakra to teleport (though again unlikely due to the fact that he doesn’t use hand signs and can teleport quickly)

4. Sight: This is a weakness I noticed, but it is completely speculatory. I beleive his Sharingan is the key to his teleportation. Notice when he first appears in an area, he does it in a slow, dramatic fashion. This could be because he has the same problem Nightstalker of X-men had, that it is unsafe to teleport to places he can’t see due to the posibility of getting stuck teleporting into a wall or such. It could also be that he uses the Sharingan to facilitate teleporting, because that is always what appears first, then the rest comes much quicker. THEN after his first entrance teleport, he is shown to be much quicker Teleporting… Just a guess, and probably not an end-all weakness, because he was able to teleport blind against Onoki. 

5. Chakra Use: Teleportation is a jutsu, however little chakra it uses, it still uses chakra, so there must be SOME limit on the number of times Madara can teleport.

6. Sealing and Counter Jutsu: Basically there could be a jutsu that stops all summonings (what the jutsu is based off of) so that if Madara enters a certain area, he can’t teleport out. There could also be a Madara Summoning Jutsu that Summons you to Madara or Madara to you.

If you can think of anymore tell me, pictures will come later.

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45 Responses

  1. I thought of another: 7. Non-contact jutsu like Amatseru, Yamanaka Mind control, and Kamui which are instead based on location/space.

  2. i like your analysis, but there is something i’d like to point out about the no ninjutsu weakness

    in the latest chapter, he says it might be a good time to pull out the rinnegan, considering he has one in his posesion (or can take it from nagato’s dead body) this will mean he will be able to master any jutsu. this means that he would still be able to get the rinnegan before any major fights. until then, he can just teleport away to a safe distance (or to his other dimension).

    also on the sealing and counter jutsu, is summoning a space-time ninjutsu?

    awesome post all the same 😀

  3. That was a good post! But in the earlier chapters, didn’t Team 7(with kakashi and Yamato) and Team Kurenai encounter Madara and when Shino used his bugs, well it didnt work. How come?

  4. “is summoning a space-time ninjutsu?”: Yes it is the most basic jutsu. It is named a space-time ninjutsu in the Sasuke vs. Deidara fight. The progression of Sapce time goes: Summoning (space time ninjutsu used on others), FTG (summoning yourself with tags), Madara’s Jutsu (Summoning yourself without tags).

    “when Shino used his bugs, well it didnt work. How come?”-Because unlike Torune, Shino’s bugs didn’t make contact. If Madara had tried to teleport Shino he would have had an opportunity to cross over any bugs on his hand onto Madara, but even then, since they aren’t infectious (they don’t enter the body in most cases) they would still get lost if Madara teleported a second time.

  5. not to be rude or anything, just that i’ve found it hard to follow what you guys are saying. use proper sentence structure next time please. i don’t wana strain my brain figuring out what u’re saying.

    so the jubi (10 tailed) is a lion!! woo

  6. Cesc, I wrote this in ten minutes at midnight because I couldn’t sleep, sorry if it’s not gramatically perfect, though the only mistakes I noticed when re-reading it just now were a lack of comas which isn’t all that problematic…

  7. didnt zetsu say something around the time of the sasuke / itachi fight to madara about moving at the speed of light, or near to it? that would certinly go a long ways to supporting the space time jutsu theory. if the way he “blinks” from one location to another in an instant does sound like a space/time movement to me.

    perhaps the way he moves is similar in nature to the way the 4th did but without tags, but one would have to wonder how he is able to also detect other people sometimes long distance’s away and jump to there location so easily.

    also, what kind of powers would a person with the rinegan in 1 eye and a MS in the other have? not too mention the massive leap in battle power madara should be able to get from using one of each.

  8. “didnt zetsu say something around the time of the sasuke / itachi fight to madara about moving at the speed of light, or near to it? that would certinly go a long ways to supporting the space time jutsu theory. if the way he “blinks” from one location to another in an instant does sound like a space/time movement to me.”-It went: “Your too slow”-Madara, “Well excuse me for not being able to move at the speed of light” then *** T.N.: This is a hyperbole (exagerated phrase). Also, Madara doesn’t simply move as Shino explained the in chapter before that sentance. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/07/

    “perhaps the way he moves is similar in nature to the way the 4th did but without tags, but one would have to wonder how he is able to also detect other people sometimes long distance’s away and jump to there location so easily.”-This is how it works according to Kakashi. And he is just a beast at sensing chakra, supposedly he can locate anyone in the world.

    “also, what kind of powers would a person with the rinegan in 1 eye and a MS in the other have? not too mention the massive leap in battle power madara should be able to get from using one of each.” I don’t know, though as Madara has yet to use offensive ninjutsu, when he finnally enters battle, I think he will put Nagato, Itachi, Jiriaya, and everyone else to shame, basically Aizening everyone but Sasuke and Naruto for a few chapters until his magical defeat by one of those two.

  9. @cesc

    stop whining your vagina is pouting, your not even using proper sentence structure by not begining your sentence with a capitol also what is “u’re” your trying to figure what people sasy when you dont even make sense oh and who said the jubi was a lion????

  10. Go eat yur mother’s cunt profess. I don’t know why you are even responding as I did not direct anything at you, so please shut the fuck up.

    I see walmart, I was not trying to be rude. I just had trouble understanding where you were going with the theories , like number 2, I do not quite understand what you mean.

  11. lol, cesc and Profess need to take a chill pill, all ur insults are up in my grill. word yo lol

    Hmm, I actually read this post last night, but didnt have time to comment. That’s using your noggin Mart 8D

    @fujin xero, there are only two Rinnegan eyes and they’re in a corpse now. Madara means he’s gonna go pluck them out of Nagato’s corpse.

    @anyone, considering Nagato’s been dead for a while now, shouldnt his eyes have decayed by now? Eyes decay fastest I think

  12. sounds like bullet points to me.

  13. “sounds like bullet points to me.”: That’s basically what I wanted to be. I was just trying to brainstorm ways to beat Madara. It’s not a huge theory, just the weaknesses I happened to notice. It’s not like a super villan like Madara is going to have many weakpoints.

    “@anyone, considering Nagato’s been dead for a while now, shouldnt his eyes have decayed by now? Eyes decay fastest I think”-Ninja bodies are special in that they can be Autopsied well after death and still reveal secrets. It is also possible to obtain any Kekkai Genkai including Doujutsu from a dead corpse, oh, and Kishi says so…

    “I see walmart, I was not trying to be rude. I just had trouble understanding where you were going with the theories , like number 2, I do not quite understand what you mean.”- I mean that it is POSSIBLE to hit him even with his Jutsu, It’s just REALLY hard.

  14. i think one question that needs to be addressed is not madara’s weaknesses but more one naruto will be learning for new jutsu. naruto can defeat a person like madara, or maybe even sasuke (post itachi’s eyes) with just sage mode and rasen-shuriken.

    the one thing we do know is at some point we will get to see naruto in sage mode being powered up by the kyubi. we saw a hint of that after his fight with pein when his eyes changed. but where does naruto go now?in my opinion he should retreat to konoha and learn some new jutsu. with his mastery of shadow clones naruto should be able to learn a lot of jutsu really quickly.

    alas thats for a different blog. this site really needs a message board system.

  15. “alas thats for a different blog. this site really needs a message board system.”- It actually has two…….. 1. the Forums (which no one uses) and 2. Chatroll.

  16. WARNING: this comment is consisted by sheer thoughts and brainstorming, piled for a long time now, so, sorry, if I confuse you or what, I just want your opinion! Congratulations if you manage and read all this to the end and understand it! (Well, it’s dead of night here, so maybe I will just jabber drowsily.)

    There is for sure something strange about Madara, besides all these speculations. Kishi has stated in an interview (2008) that Minato was the strongest ninja ever lived, along with Sarutobi (who, by the way, when younger, could confront even EMS!), but among the living, there are some stronger shinobi than him.

    Verbatim:

    «Shonen Jump: […] Could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

    Masashi Kishimoto: Hmmm, it’s a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he’s the strongest. I’d say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes… well, without going into many details, I’d have to say no. There’s a couple of shinobis who are stronger than him».

    If so, why Minato, who is stronger than Hashirama, couldn’t win against Madara, if the last was a shell of his former self? (Remember that Minato fought with both the Kyubi and Madara =>Naruto Fanbook 2). And if we accept that he hadn’t the teleportation jutsu when fighting Hashirama, but learned it from Minato, was he so fast to learn it while fighting him? So, he started fighting Minato without a single jutsu and learned this one and only on the go? This can’t be real. Also, he used the Kyubi with Hashirama too, but lost. Why he “won” against Minato? Was the Teleportation Jutsu so importabt for this fight? And he became so strong just for that night? No, this can’t be true.

    Also, Minato referred to him as “a very powerful ninja” and until now we have seen a Madara that can only… dance from place to place. However, he showed extreme strength when stopping with his bare arm Suigetsu’s sword or later when amputating his own arm with the other. So, he surely hides many powers, but he is not his former self.

    Also, the Kyubi. How could Madara still control it that day? So, he wasn’t that weak? Or he rallied from his weakness, fought with Minato, but then lost the Kyubi and became weak again?

    But to tame the Kyubi, you need the MS, so he still had his MS that night, but not now? (Well, not shown.) And he probably had also EMS, so he survived from Hashirama without using the Izanagi, as EMS requires both eyes, if I remember well. Itachi also said: “he remains alive and well, as do his eyes and their power”. (Btw, is Izanagi stronger than EMS? Because with EMS you can’t go blind while with Izanagi you blind one eye.)

    So, please, decide: he was weaker than Hashirama, back then and right now, but “won” against Minato? He was weak, but “a very powerful ninja”? Does he have MS/EMS (lol, SMS/MMS!) right now? Etc, etc…

    I know I must have cracked your brain now, along with mine! Sorry, I just needed to tell someone all this, although you must have had the same thoughts. (On the other hand, you will tell me: “Relax, don’t look at the story so deeply and wait for the rest of the story to answer all these questions!” You ‘re right, my fault! )

  17. I don’t think Naruto needs much training to beat Madara maybe a jutsu or two, I think Naruto’s Frog Katas would still affect Madara since Frog Katas are basically Natural Energy extensions of Naruto’s body, if Madara goes ghost on him, wouldn’t Madara become part of the environment since he has no physical medium?, making him susceptible to Natural Energy attacks since now his medium equals the environments medium. The thing about Madara is that he will never be a great Ninja like The Sage of the Six Paths, Jiraiya, Nagato/Pain or Itachi, its a disgrace that he has to resort to customizing his body, with other peoples body parts, no different than Orochimaru or Sasuke, with his curse mark and future eye implants, it just shows how weak they really are, not being able to rely on their natural gifts or abilities always having to customize yourself with other peoples gifts that’s just sad to improve, that’s just sad. So as Itachi said Madara is just a shell of his former self, a ninja with talent to a wannabe supervillian.
    Something to think about.

  18. Madara did not defeat Minato. In fact Minato defeated both Madara and the Kyuubi that night. Itachi said it himself during his fight with Sasuke by calling Madara a bitter defeated loser. Madara’s last attempt of destroying Konoha was foiled because he didn’t expect that someone as strong as Minato will show up and stop him.

    @Wo Ai Ni
    The Kyuubi said himself that Madara’s chakra is more sinister than his own. Given his MS he can totally overpower kyuubi.

  19. “So, please, decide: he was weaker than Hashirama, back then and right now, but “won” against Minato? He was weak, but “a very powerful ninja”? Does he have MS/EMS (lol, SMS/MMS!) right now? Etc, etc…”- He is stronger than both. Kishimoto never said he was weaker than Hashirama just that he lost (could have been due to other factors we don’t know). I think Madara has other jutsu besides teleportation, but stopped using them when he learned teleportation. He isn’t weak, just weaker.

  20. ” think Naruto’s Frog Katas would still affect Madara since Frog Katas are basically Natural Energy extensions of Naruto’s body, if Madara goes ghost on him, wouldn’t Madara become part of the environment since he has no physical medium?, making him susceptible to Natural Energy attacks since now his medium equals the environments medium.”- You misunderstand Madara’s jutsu, he doesn’t become the environment, he moves individual body parts to another demension or place to avoid attacks, even with frog katas he couldn’t strike Madara.

    “The thing about Madara is that he will never be a great Ninja like The Sage of the Six Paths, Jiraiya, Nagato/Pain or Itachi, its a disgrace that he has to resort to customizing his body, with other peoples body parts, no different than Orochimaru or Sasuke, with his curse mark and future eye implants”: What body parts did Madara implant other than his brother’s eyes (he hasn’t implanted the Renningan yet as far as we know), I don’t see how this stops him from being great, and I think in the end he will be the bigger supervillan. For instance, what do all of those people you mentioned have in common? they’re dead and Madara outlived all but the Sage of Six.

  21. what exactly could minato do besides moving at extremely high speeds? why does that make him stronger than the first hokage??

    where can i find these interviews of kishi??

    do u recommend one piece? i stopped watching/reading a while ago, should i start up again?

  22. Wow, you got through all this quite quickly and efficiently!

    @ Cesc

    The interviews can be found (most of them) on YouTube. And I can’t believe Minato became Hokage (only 23 years old, according to my calculations) with his just 6 (shown) techniques, though deadly ones, who knows what we have not seen yet. Or did Mei become Mizukage just with her 3 techniques? No, it’s just to save time for developing other events and characters.

    @ Others

    Well, I didn’t say that Minato lost to Madara, but he said that “without some sort of special power there would be no way to fight him”. So, the sealing of Kyubi was the only way to stop both the Kyubi and Madara. But, what on earth, how could Madara be so strong, if he was beaten almost to death by Hashirama?
    And the reason that Madara lost to Hashirama was only the lack of the Teleportation Jutsu? No, Hashirama obviously countered the Kyubi, countless Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo, many fire techniques and God and Kishi know what else, but he won, probably because Madara was left out of chakra. (Madara had the Eternal, so he could cast many eye techniques without blinding, but of course he would be chakra-drained at one point.)

    @ Kyubi: Maybe Hashirama won, because he could control it too or his Mokuton absorbed Kyubi’s chakra, as it is made by sheer chakra. As for Madara, to send it to Konoha, he must had had the MS, so he didn’t lost it to Hashirama or Izanagi.

    @ Saying that Madara’s chakra is sinister: it doesn’t mean he has MORE than the Kyubi, just darker and more evil, imo. If Madara couldn’t control it and they fought each other, I think he would have lost in terms of chakra. (On the other hand, it is stated that the Bijuus are not very clever, they are just animals, so they are tamed and manipulated and sealed easily. So, if Minato had fought only the Kyubi, he would have won, hence it’s Madara again who makes the difference.)

    The only thing that I can’t get is why Minato could not win against a weaken and older Madara. I know that there isn’t much logic in all these things, but whether Madara being weaker than Hashirama or not, he could NOT stand, indeed in his then condition, against Minato. However, Naruto is now an orphan, so I suppose we must not take this logically, it leads to nowhere.

  23. “what exactly could minato do besides moving at extremely high speeds? why does that make him stronger than the first hokage??” He invented Rasengan, used FTG, and Toad Summoned Gamabunta. He was also a highly skilled in most areas of shinobi skills.

    “do u recommend one piece? i stopped watching/reading a while ago, should i start up again?”-yes.

    “Madara had the Eternal, so he could cast many eye techniques without blinding, but of course he would be chakra-drained at one point”-Madara doesn’t have Amatseru or Sussanoo, as was shown when Itachi’s trap triggered. Also Madara’s element is Earth not Fire.

    “And the reason that Madara lost to Hashirama was only the lack of the Teleportation Jutsu?”- I think with the teleportation jutsu, there is no way Hirishima could have beaten him, and Kishimoto stated Madara didn’t know it when he fought Madara.

  24. Well, whatever, I said Fire, because it’s the Uchiha’s element. He could probably use it back then. If not, maybe then the things were even easier for Hashirama, as he owned the Earth too (by dividing his Mokuton in Earth and Water), so being able to confront Madara’s techniques. Just speculations.

    @ Amaterasu and the other techniques: I think that all those who have a double MS can unlock all these techniques. If Itachi could, why not Madara? And maybe that’s why he went blind and took his brother’s eyes. Also, he was just surprised by Sasuke’s Amaterasu, this doesn’t mean he hasn’t used it himself (ch. 397).

    Whatever, I think you agree on my other points/questions. Who knows, we will learn soon everything.

  25. “all those who have a double MS can unlock all these techniques.”-Not neccesarily as he may not have unlocked them, but as he said “so this is Amatseru” it seems unlikely he knew it. We’ve never seen him use it and we know that even between brothers there is a difference in the jutsu, Madara and Kakashi’s abilities seem distinctly different from the Sasuke-Itachi set, which makes me think that there are two sets or more of MS jutsu and you get all within a certain set but no others.

  26. i don’t think madara could use sunno’o nd the other techs. i think every user developes his ms techs. sasuke has itachi’s cuz it was passed down directly to him. sasuke nevr actually developed his own ms.

    when harashima fought madara, madara didn’t use the tailed beasts.

    minato didn’t win cuz madara had the 9 tails.
    no single shinobi could possibly defeat the 9 tails. only people that defeated it were able to control it somehow. without harashima’s wood style, or the uchia’s genjutsu, there was no way minato could win. nobody (madara nor harashima) can win in a physical battle with the 9 tails. only minato could defeat it was by sealing it.

  27. @cesc

    sorry didnt mean to make your vagina pout again but i like to bully the bully who makes fun of some one for something when they’re doing the exact same thing, its funny how i didnt use propper grammar and misspelled words and you still knew what i was saying

    @mart1

    good post for what we know about madara/tobi, my theory is zetsu has a bigger part to play with madara than shown, how his plant part was in the room while tobi was regenerating his new arm, how zetsu speaks to him how he only knows who he is, also how tobi was introduced with zetsu, maybe zetsu might be another weakness for tobi

  28. @Profess, in that case (since Zetsu’s your favorite), I think you’ll like the upcoming chapter A LOT. It supposedly shows Zetsu usefulness.

    Anyway, what if someone could get a tag on Madara? They could theoretically summon him back if he teleported (yeah I know its dumb, but the FTG just came to mind)

  29. @kisu

    ya i read the spoilers and zetsu is pretty dope but how dope is he really

  30. “when harashima fought madara, madara didn’t use the tailed beasts.”-That’s a contradictory statement and a false one 1. In the only picture or their battle it shows Madara using the Kyubbi and Minato had to fight the kyubbi as well because he said Madara was behind the attack on the village so he fought Madara then went to seal the kyubbi or vise versa.

    “(yeah I know its dumb, but the FTG just came to mind)”-kisu. I mentioned that in the post, and in my oppinion, yes.

  31. @ cesc

    Madara used the Kyubi when fighting Hashirama.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-399/page010.html

    (Everyone, pay attention to Madara’s declaration. He used exactly the same words that Sasuke is using right now. I think Sasuke is really manipulated by Madara, either with a jutsu or with just brainwashing).

    Also, Madara stated in the same chapter that “only our eye techniques are capable of controling the Nine Tails”. So, it seems that he could summon it, but Hashirama could confront it with his chakra absorbing Mokuton.

    @ Madara’s Amaterasu: We will see. By depriving him from Fire, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo, we ‘re making Hashirama’s win much easier! Well, it seems that at least he had other abilities.

    Moreover I think that EMS has only the advantage of not blinding, the rest seem to be the same, because IF we think that two pairs have the same abilities, then you aren’t obtaining sth new, just your vision again. For example, Sasuke seems to use all of Itachi’s techniques, either because they are brothers or because Itachi gave them to him, so he wants his eyes only to restore his vision (well, his performance is weaker than Itachi’s, so with his eyes, he will probably be better). But if they are different, yes, you obtain many techniques.

  32. Just quick reply from a loyal observer…. What about the fact that he could possibly still have only one eye left due to using Izanagi with his fight against the first.

    Hence the one-eyed mask…

  33. I would count the fact that he could possibly use Izanagi as a strength, because he could suddenly come back from the dead without warning. He seems to be doing fine with one eye, and from his battle with Danzou’s agents, seems to be super aware (he knew he was about to get hit from behind)

  34. The big question that needs to be asked about Madara’s ability is how it actually works. I mean when Deidara took out that turtle bijuu did tobi teleport out of the area or become intangible. The answer to this question will determine the extent of his powers.
    basically, we know he needs to be tangible to strike, if he’s not striking can he remain intangible or does he need to be tangible for a split-nanosecond to become intangle. If the latter is the case I’m putting my money of kage buushin+rasengan

  35. “Madara’s ability is how it actually works.” Kakashi explained this, Madara doesn’t literally become intangible (intangible meaning he can occupy the space without getting hit by attacks) he teleports the bodyparts that are about to get hit out of the way.

  36. I think Madara true body is hiding somewhere. The true power of MADARA was not a teleportation nor time space jutsu. I think he just master the sharigan illusion techinique.

    If you just watch the Flame of Recca series. Recca fought Majenda who used illusions and his body was hiding somewhere.

  37. maybe im a little late on this but does anyone remember the talk jiraiya had with the frog he summned before fighting pein??

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/

    he talked about “that” jutsu….maybe this jutsu that naruto is supposed to learn one day has something to do with defeating madarra…

    This is just a hypothesis but i kinda think it would be the Reaper Death Seal jutsu…
    i mean u cant really kill madarra since hes got the EMS but im pretty sure you can take his soul out…
    the hard part is that physically touching madarra long enough to hold him while the reaper rips out his soul. and it was created by the 4th right?
    didnt he know about madarra and had a couple of jutsus planned out to counter the EMS or MS?
    my guess is thats how this series is gonna end with naruto sacraficing himself to defeat madarra once and for all…sasukes somehere in there lol

    like i said this is just a hypothesis…please correct me if im wrong about something.

  38. @ sasukethebeast

    It may be some kind of sealing jutsu, I highly doubt its the Reaper Death seal though. It may even be a jutsu that only the hosts can use, or some way that naruto can control the nine tails.

    @others
    its already established that each MS ability is unique to one another so madara can’t perform or learn amaterasu any more than kakashi can.

  39. correct me if i’m wrong, but hasn’t it been stated that the true power of the sharingan is the 4 great techniques: ameratasu, tsukiyomi, izanagi and Susann’o? accessible to true heirs of the uchiha. Given that sasuke and itachi are the only uchiha we’ve seen in full action I think that’s why they use those techniques. My theory is that things like shisui’s coaxing jutsu and madara and’s teleporting jutsu (which is a sharingan not MS technique) and kakashi’s space/time jutsu are just techniques u can teach ur eyes. Given that sasuke and itachi are so badass there was never need for them to use their MS For anything but those big three.
    PROOF: those 4 techniques r well known among the uchiha and naruverse therefore they’ve been seen before. Additionally, simply being named after major japanese deities has to stand for something and not just ‘coaxing no jutsu’ or ‘teleport no jutsu’ lol

  40. @madzikage

    I wouldn’t conider those four techniques well known in the naruverse since the only people who heard about them knew and/or fought against itachi(and sasuke sorta). Even jiraya didn’t have a clue what ameratasu was. Also the MS itself is known among the uchiha clan but its true abilities isnt. Itachi actually said there are only several people marked in thier history that obtained the MS, Madara and his brother being two of them. So there really is no proof those 4 techniques are well known among the uchiha and naruverse or that they’ve been seen before.

  41. “correct me if i’m wrong, but hasn’t it been stated that the true power of the sharingan is the 4 great techniques:”-That has NOT been stated anywhere, the only true power statement about the MS I can remember is Sasuke saying it’s true power was controling the Kyubbi. You also mention Madara and Shusuisu’s jutsu as not being MS, but Izanagi also isn’t an MS jutsu. I think the reason the first two jutsu are unnamed is because they are more stealth jutsu and until recently have been purposefully kept quiet. For instance, how usefull would Shusuisu’s jutsu be if everyone knew he could use it. I think there are other MS abilities to still be unlocked like Kagatsuchi and that MS has yet to hit it’s peak.

  42. @mart1

    Yea it’s been said throughout the series that the one of the abilities that is the same with all sharigan users is the ability to controlling the kyubbi. It also makes more since that there are plenty of MS abilities that aren’t discovered or realized as of yet. Since MS abilites were deprived from japanese mythology, I’m sure there are more than what has been shown so far. I think izanagi is an MS ability as well.

    @ Everyone

    I do have one question about MS in general(particually sasukes). No doubt itach implanted amaterasu inside sasuke for use in case madara ever tried to come after him. Not only that, when itachi died sasuke gained the ability of using manekeyo sharigan because he lost the person closest to him. However, what about susanoo? When sasuke unleashed it during his brief fight with kakashi, when compared with itachi’s( assuming that his was complete) sasuke’s looks like it’s close to completion as well, but it’s quite different from itachi. Did sasuke get that from itachi as well? Even though it looks different, that could be the case. However, if he did not, than is that a glimpse of sasuke’s own manekeyo sharigan power? Can all sharigan users at some point can learn susanoo? What about Tsukuyomi? It looked like sasuke used it when he fought against killer bee, cause his tomoe changed, but that look different as well. Is it possible that sasuke has his own MS abilites that he hasn’t used yet? Is it possible that MS abilites differ from one branch family from another instead of each individual? Obivoulsy I’m kind of confused on this matter since the subject around MS is shady and there aren’t much concrete proof I can find to approve/dissprrove any of these questions and theories of mine.

  43. @DarthUchiha18

    I think the abilities of the mangekyou sharingan kinda depend on the user and his life experiences. When sasuke first activated ameratsu (excluding when he used it on madarra) he strted thinking of his friends and past and stuff like that. also when he confronted kakashi right before he completed susanoo, he strted thinking of his friends in the village before he left. but he let his anger control those thoughts.
    To me, the abilities they can use depend on the life experiences and situations. im pretty sure itachi had same thought like sasuke when he killed his friends, family, and lover.

  44. kamui doesnt work as on him..madara said that in the latest chapter

  45. Did Kakashi use it though? I didn’t see any warping (though We also didn’t see him warp that arrow) so Madara could have been bluffing.

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