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Naruto Chapter 486 – Real Hearts Talk With Fists

 
Post Author Suna No Ken  
So as you all (mostly) know, Bob has handed you into my clutches for this weeks chapter overview. MWAHAHAHA! The suffering will be minimal I assure you. (As long as you don’t rebel that is.) Now onto the chapter!   
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First thing I want to say about this chapter is my deep respect for the fact that Naruto finally grew a pair. At first I was a bit confused with Naruto’s lack of determination when he came out of the mind conversation with Sasuke. In my opinion though, he should have gone in a different direction when saying that he could see into Sasuke’s heart with his fist’s, and asking if Sasuke saw his heart. Not to put a damper on the man, but the way he was talking made me question whether or not he was a Sasuke fan girl. Just kidding, but in all actuality I am proud that he decided that he would have to face Sasuke one day, going so far as to say that their fight was inevitable and that he would be the only one to fight Sasuke. And then saying that they were both gonna die?! It reminded me of Naruto’s old unshakable determination to make his words come true. (Epic Foreshadowing) This is really just a way for Kishi to redeem Naruto a bit from his constant wimpiness when it came to Sasuke, but despite this, it is a breath of fresh air.   

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Sasuke this week was lame. THANK GOD!  We’ve all gotten tired of Sasuke’s uber progress along the time Naruto’s been out. Here we can see first hand that Sasuke needs help. Not just psychologically, but physically as well. We didnt see any action from him (or any action at  all) this chapter. While it was for good reason, kishi had to let Naruto have his say, I know we all wanted to see Naruto and Sasuke try to duke it out one last time before Tobi came and ruined things. And speaking of Tobi… 

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Tobi. Tobi, Tobi, Tobi. What is going on in that insane head of yours? Tobi had a rather laid back role in this chapter, only appearing towards the end to bail Sasuke out. But we did get to see and hear some interesting things going on in his “secret lab” first thing I’d like to bring to people’s attention are the rumors at the mention of there being another rinnengan user. THERE IS NO OTHER RINNENGAN USER. Tobi was saying to himself that this was the perfect time to get the rinnengan. This probably means that we will see another appearance of Konan when Tobi goes to grave rob Nagato. This will most likely be a one – two chapter event, outlining the future plot of the series. Obviously the need for Tobi to go after the rinnengan means that it is still vital to his plans, and that he had a plan incase Pein was ever defeated.    

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The second thing I would like to say is that when we get a peek at Tobi’s “secret lab” we see that he is attaching a new right arm. A few points about this. First off, when we see the arm being reattached, it seems slimy and not fully formed. This means that he didn’t just take it form someone else’s body, but actually had to create an all new arm. Second, where he is placing his arm, there seems to be a large “zetsu-type” plant or formation in front of him. Whether or not that is simply for decoration, or if it is because he created the arm using Zetsu’s cells is yet to be determined. What we DO know is that Tobi is in some deep jutsu knowledge. For instance, lets say that Zetsu-plant is where he got the cells from. Does that mean Tobi can make more Zetsu’s? After all on page 9, a total of 6 Zetsu’s appear to take Naruto out. If he can make Zetsu’s, then Tobi might have his army right there. Imagine what he could do with an army of Zetsu’s. Then again since Zetsu really isn’t a front line fighter what good would that do, other then simply having a larger force to conquer. 

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 I’d like to come near the end of my recap talking about Kakashi and Sakura. They both had a rather laid back role in this chapter as well. Sakura, like always, was her usual helpless self, not having any dialog, only taking up panel space. I don’t mean to be a Sakura hater but why did Kishi power her up to just go back into her damsel in distress mode. It ticks me off! She’s just not worth the screen time anymore so lets get her out of there and have someone else take her place. If we need a brainiac, bring shikamaru. A healer? Bring Hinata. But no more Sakura. For Kakashi however, he really is coming into his role as a Hokage. He has already taken on the burden of having to kill a student. Already has political enemies. And has already been rebelled against by one of his students to kill the other. Kakashi is turning into another Sarutobi, and I couldn’t be happier. Still I Would have liked to see him put up more of a fight against Naruto when it came to fighting Sasuke.  

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That’s all for my first post people. If you liked it please say so. (And don’t lie to make Bob take it away from me! He’s coming back next week!) I now leave you with this image. Happy Commenting! SUNA OUT!   

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169 Responses

  1. Okay so I realize now that maybe doing the whole synopsis on my comp first was the wrong thing to do. I get that. But other than that it’s a perfect review~! ENJOY!
    SUNA OUT!

  2. was an interesting chapter…i woulda like 2 c kakashi tried 2 get at madara and zetsu though…that woulda epic 😀

  3. Come on, it was an OK analysis, for a first attempt! (Am I consoling you now?!) 🙂 No, it’s true and you resisted the temptation of caps!

    And lol at the last picture!

  4. I think we all saw the Madara step-in coming a mile away. I think it’s sad that Naruto thinks he will die, why not defeat-but-not-kill like he did against Pein? or maybe it’s just the metaphorical death like Sasuke’s hatred dying or something. However, I have to say, with this chapter, I think Naruto is ending… just too little build-up to much climax…

  5. HEY!!! SUNA YOU FORGOT A BIG POINT, ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE TO LOOK CAREFULLY TO SEE IT! (THIS IS IN ALL CAPS SO YOU UNDERSTAND IT… heh). Ok so seriously, take a look at Tobi’s head in the image above. We get a decent enough look at the left and right sides of his head. We have already seen the right side, which looks messed up here also. But now the left side looks fine and wrinkle free.

    This means, Tobi isn’t old. Or at least his body isn’t old, his right side is just wrecked. Now who can I think of that has half a body wrecked and one sharingan…

    I liked Naruto’s answer, it kinda goes with the Senju vs Uchiha thing… and it almost makes me wonder, did Harashima say to Madara “I don’t want to fight you, but I will because I must” or something like that, exactly mirroring this situation? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Shiodaime and Madara were friends like Naruto and Sasuke.

  6. Also, I agree that Madara is planning on retrieving Nagato’s eyes. Couldn’t you see this scenerio:

    Sasuke: Ok, I’ll take Itachi’s eyes now.

    Sasuke’s eyes are removed.

    Madara: Here are your new Sharingan’s.

    Sasuke: WHAT!?!? These aren’t the sharingan I ordered! I want a refund.

  7. Oh man, a triple post, I’m going to be in trouble here. Zetsu created those clones of himself on his own. It’s his spore ability.

  8. it was ok, i mean to me it was “your opinion” of what should happen, it needed more in depth analysis of whats actually going. But for your first post, not bad. And Madara has definately lost his mind, i wonder if Nagato will hold up a fight since Naruto helped him find “inner peace.” THat would be an interesting battle, maybe we can finally see Madara in action……

  9. First off, way to much talking from Naruto. I have come to terms with myself that since Ripcord pointed out, that’s truly Obito’s body. For people that didn’t really catch a glimpse of Tobi’s face in the first panel of page 6 you see a piece of his right side of his face. It had lines going on the side of his face just like he had in the discussion with Sasuke. Then if you check the next panel of his face, it shows his left side and there is ”NO MARKS”. I do believe it’s Madara, but in Tobi’s body.

    By the way the Rinnegan is in his possession from his words on that page. He spoke as if he had it already.

  10. Sorry Suna,
    I find this hard to read.

    I mean… the greatest part was when Naruto just turned Sasukes Uber manly “must destroy Konoha…” into some great Yaoi moment.

    Naruto: It’s just you and me Sasuke
    Sasuke: But I want to Kill your entire village!
    Naruto: Shut up and let’s put your chidori and my rasengen together

    The bit about the Rinnegan… I think it has something to do with cink up with Geudo mezo or something. And then you get those dreamy Rinnegan eyes.

  11. all in all it was a pretty good post. this weeks chapter was like the rest of the characters, pretty laid back. saw a lot of new information. cant wait to see what sasuke can do with his brothers eyes. Would really like to see Kakashi reveal some more 4th Hokage jutsus like his signature space/time jutsu.

  12. Nice post, Suna! 🙂

    And now, news break: I don’t know if you are informed about this, but:

    THE FILLERS ARE OVER!!!

    Yes, the next episode is Naruto learning the death of Jiraiya. So we have the Sage training and then… PAIN! I really screamed when I saw this!

    Well, these filler arc lasted only 8 episodes (144-151), that’s strange for fillers and the end was really abrupt, but it seems they saw that people don’t watch fillers and the last manga chapters have left many fans discontent, so they cut it out and return to the normal story line.

    Well, I am not complaining, I can’t wait to see the Pain’s arc, fingers crossed! 🙂

  13. @Siskin. C’mon man! I TRIED REALLY HARD! You cant say that it was a total flop! That really hurt man.
    @Nara. I’m still new to this. I thought i was doing it as if it wasnt opinionated but i guess i couldnt stop from ranting about it. Hopefully if Bob let’s me do more i can get better at it.
    @Bob. Please let me do another one. I promise that it will be better next time. although i think you should handle next weeks chapter so the people dont kill me. Thank You.
    SUNA OUT!

  14. I kinda liked this filler arc. I actually started to feel emotionally attached to Utakata, which is strange since filler characters are usually poorly-conceived. I guess I kind of felt sorry for him since we all knew that he was fated to die at the end.

  15. @Suna – gj. it was good, you hit most of the points. but dude, chill, you got to do one for a week. you should be happy with that, and let bob continue. if you have so many thoughts you need to get out, then just make some theory blogs, we are in need of some anyways.

    about the rinnegan, i think kishi knows that we all now suspect sasuke of taking itachi’s eyes. what if instead, tobi offers him a “greater” source of power. (i actually don’t think rinnegan is stronger than EMS, but i tobi might say that). then, since he said he was going to try and sink sasuke up with gedo meza anyways, he will offer sasuke the rinnegans. (i hope that doesn’t happen though).

    and suna, i don’t think tobi can just make an army of zetsus. that seems too convenient. and would prbly take too much fertilizer. i think the arm might have been from somebody zetsu “ate” (remember he is a cannibal) earlier, and gives to tobi. as for the 6 zetsus, i think that is just one of zetsu’s special abilities.

    and i know that this will kind of be a shock coming from me, but i was surprisingly proud of naruto’s cumulative message throughout the past few chapters. gay or not, it was pretty cool to see him sticking to his guns. if anybody can save sasuke from the darkness, it is him.

  16. I hated Utakata, he had no emotion and no character whatsoever and wen did this we start talking about the anime, but anyway, the filler sucked, not one great fight, and more importantly, not one sighting of the six tails, wtf?!?!! they should just hurry up and get on with this pein fight!!!

  17. great chapter, review sucks. bob had more sense

  18. @suna nice work
    but i dont know if any of you think the same way as i do, but the more chapters are introduced the less im liking the manga
    Dont you remember the village, the crew and the white eyes and kakashi
    WTF happened to all that
    its all Sasuke ill kill you and Naruto Be my friend and Sakura always crying all im saying is this manga is losing its vibe i hope it gets better….

    well thats all out and about this chapter it was an alright chapter but in away it was like a repeat of the last chapter

  19. Allright for the people that think that modara’s body is obito, its not obito’s body, b/c when obito died he was what like 10years old? I dont think dead body grow up or atlest have a jutsu for it.
    Also Madara said that” its time to take out the reningan”. I dont understand that part..Is it mean theres anorther reningan user or its nagato’s eye he has to take it out?.
    @suna good job man, I can’t even type that long. But I still like Bob post b/c he just expert of this shit.

  20. again, NAGOTO DIED WHEN HE REVIVED EVERYONE HE KILLED IN KONOHA. SO ENOUGH WITH THIS NONSENSE ABOUT HIM PUTTING UP A FIGHT AGAINST MADARA. madara is just gonna collect the eyes fron nagato’s DEAD body.

    also, TOBI IS NOT OBITO. we have already established that tobi is madara. the time madara was a kid, kakashi’s father wasn’t born let alone kakashi (who was older than obito). so pls, stop saying madara is obito. also, madara’s sharringan is on his right eye, obito’s right eye was completely smashed along with his face. and, madara’s MS is diff from kakashi’s.

  21. @Suna, decent blog, but with that much material, you will never overthrow Bob, he rules with an Iron fist and makes babies and puppies cry with just a cold heartless stare, but it was a nice analysis considering its your first time and all.

    I didn’t like the filler much, but the best part was when Pain made a cameo like the last 2 minutes of episode 151 of the filler and whooped Utakata’s ass in less than 15 seconds of screen time, I’m not hating on Utakata, but he got owned really quickly with nothing more than ballistic missiles, from that mechanical Pain. That was the best 15 seconds of the episode, without question.

    Here’s a thought for all those who think Obito is Madara, there is a remote possibility that Madara used the same immortality jutsu that Orochimaru uses, namely changing hosts every couple of years. Franky I wouldn’t be surprised if Oro perfected his jutsu with Madara’s help and knowledge, during his time with Akatsuki, tried it on Itachi, failed and ran. Suppose Madara wanted a body with a Sharingan instead of a normal body, that’s were Obito’s damaged body comes into play, he had some arcane knowledge of the jutsu found Obito by coincidence and took over his body, repaired it kind of, ergo the reason for the black suit and mask, both Kakashi’s Magenkyo Sharingan technique is very similar to Madara’s in which both transport whatever they focus their eyesight into another dimension, the only difference is that Madara has had more time to practice and perfect the techniques to another level, which would make sense if both Sharingan’s came from the same body, namely Obito’s body. But for all you who think Obito equals Madara, I wouldn’t hold my breath, this is just a theory or rather say speculation. As I already mentioned before when the chapter came out, it is not entirely impossible that Madara wants to implant the Rinnegan into Sasuke to synch him with Gedo Mazo, but its also possible that Nagato is still alive since his powers transcend death or imagine Konan with the Rinnegan, what a twist that would be and yes, I think the Rinnegan beats the EMS any day. Sorry for long rants, but its hard not too when their are so many possibilities. Well peace out.

  22. Sorry for double posting, but regarding the bleach manga Captain Commander Yamamoto is a god, a real beast, he outsmarted Aizen, and actually damaged him, frankly the Bleach manga story wise is developing quite nicely. Yamamoto is one of my new heroes, worship him or die. hahahahahahaha! JK

  23. I thought you did a good just for your first time suna, This chapter was ok, We know now that Naruto is ready to face sasuke, in a way kinda makes me think will make sakura stronger since she doesnt have to worry about taking out sasuke, like she had a chance in the first place, I do have a bad feeling about Kakashi though, he is set on making naruto the next hokage since he was gonna take on sasuke himself, so just hope he doesnt do anything to reckless in the future, ok, i dont care who you are, old ppl are old, why does madara look like he’s about kakashis age, it almost makes me rethink the whole obito equals tobi, even tho I really never thought tobi was ever obito, but still alot of confusing with the menchion of the rinnegan eyes, Good job on the post again, cant wait for next weeks chapter

  24. oh yeah , dont mean to double post either, but on bleach the captain commander is a f’in beast like john says. and also wanna ask is Ichigo the grandson of the captain commander?

  25. @Minatofan
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Ichigo was Yamamoto’s grandson, considering Ichigo’s father is originally a Shinigami and maybe Yamamoto is Ichigo’s father’s father and maybe the reason Ichigo’s father left the Soul Society is because he fell in love with a hollow, namely Ichigo’s mother, and was forced to leave, explaining why Ichigo has both Shinigami and Hollow powers. But their is no concrete evidence to it, the only sure thing is that Yamamoto is a beast and a god, I’m not exaggerating.

  26. @ Suna, good stuff for your first solo. Hold the exuberance tho, since this is Bob’s house 😉

    @ John & Minatofan:

    Is Bleach worth reading again? I stopped about a year and a half ago when the Vice Captains were just starting to fight… I wasn’t really too interested in following all those filler fights on a week-week basis, if u know what I mean.

    Anyway, my only complaint with Bleach is how the hell Aizen got so strong and did it without anyone in Soul Society noticing his motives (ie: his role in the hollow/shinagami experiments leading to the eviction of the Vizards)…

  27. hey guys, i never really post anything but here goes…..
    I was speaking to my brother yesterday and I came up with a bit of a theory about who tobi is (i know we’ve gone past this debate….but hey!). Re-arrange the name Tobi: T-O-B-I…..O-B-I-T-…… could he be obito???? I mean, the whole of obito’s right side was destroyed when he was ‘killed’ by the rock, but then if tobi is having to regenerate his right arm in this chapter, it seems to be that the possibilities are great. zetsu never refers to him as madara, but always tobi. plus, he probably tells sasuke and the others that he is madara because of the aura around that title…. I don’t know, what u guys think????

  28. @Star69
    I know what you mean, even the bleach manga can be really slow at times, what could be covered in 5 minutes of animation takes 3 to 4 chapters, if you know what I mean, but lately I think the last 25 chapters have been sweet especially the latest 5 or so, I know what you mean when you say you skip the filler’s, who doesn’t when they are complete nonsense, right? nothing to do with the story whatsoever, But lately with the Captains in their fight against the Espada and the twist and Yamamoto in action against Aizen, It just gives the manga a whole other feel, it feels exactly how everybody felt after the Itachi vs Sasuke fight, Jiraiya vs Pain fight and Naruto vs Pain fights in the Manga and anime, they left us satisfied, so do I recommend reading Bleach again? You bet. If not for the enjoyment of it, it helps in coping for the next Naruto chapter or anime episode, but lately the Bleach chapters have been epic and I recommend that you only see the episodes that have to do with the storyline, the fillers aren’t that great per say, I won’t spoil it, just read from were you left of and then decide, I think you will agree with Minatofan and I that Yamamoto is a beast and you’ll be left satisfied. Peaceout.

  29. @Jabu
    About the whole tobi is obito thing, obito was the fourth hokage’s student, yet tobi faced the fourth hokage in a showdown with the fox. so obito isnt old enough to have faced the 4th with so much power. Good try though, i didnt realize this until today.
    SUNA OUT!

  30. @suna
    I appreciate that, but then if you think about it, how long after kakashi gaiden were the events of the fox invasion? when the 4th took on the fox he was hokage, the events of kakshi gaiden could have maybe been about three four years after that right? bearing in mind how much kishi loves the uchiha clan’s power, could it not be possible that whoever helped out tobi, could have manipulated him physically and psychologically so that by the time the fox events came up he had attained such power. I know its a stretch, but it could be possible.

  31. @Jabu
    You have a point there, the Nine Tails attack on the village was probably a bit later after the Kakashi Gaiden part, the attack on the village was roughly 16 years ago from the current storyline, at this point Kakashi is 30 years old, 16 years ago, he was 14, suppose Obito “died” two years before the Nine Tails attack, around the age of 12, assuming both Kakashi and Obito are roughly the same age, Madara found him, barely alive, took over his body with an Orochimaru type immortality jutsu, you know take over another body to keep on living, I mean when Orochimaru took over a body, the body took Orochimaru’s original shape, meaning even if the host is relatively way weaker than the person taking over, the new body will retain all the abilities powers of the original body of the user. And two years later Madara, in Obito’s body, attacks the village, now accustomed to the feel of a new body. Even Minato, when he appeared before Naruto, described Tobi, as simply the one wearing the mask, and how dangerous he was, leaving further doubt as to weather Madara equals Obito or not. I may be searching to much, into small details, but you never know, as it is there is no proof that Madara equals Obito and maybe the name Tobi and the letters are just coincidences. But its just something to think about.

  32. Was Black Zetsu watching Kisame fight?

    If Tobi/Madara/Obito(lol) can form multiple (White) Zetsu’s (WZ’s) then imagine the army he has on his hands when he implants all those Sharingan’s and Rinnengan’s in them? A revived “Uchiha” clan army! That won’t be shy to unleash that suicide technique Danzo was using!

  33. Okay I haven’t been here that long, so this could be totally out of place for me to say, but give Suna a break man. Don’t compare them, its good to see and read different analysis’. Unless of course that’s what Suna was intending to do (take over) then fair enough with the comments. Doubt it was. Most likely super excited which is a good thing not bad.

    Anyway @ Siskin
    OMFG I WAS DIEING OF LAUGHTER AT THE CHIDORI AND RASENGAN TOGETHER!!!
    When I was reading it, and this is going to sound completely wrong, I was thinking “so its inevitable that they’re going to fist …”
    Then I laughed at my twisted and disgusting thought, followed by being completely creeped out as I forgot I am a visual person.

    Back @ Suna
    I have to agree with you about Sakura. I am a Saukra fan, but it pains me to see her in the middle of the story between Naruto and Sasuke and serve absolutely no purpose at all. Drives me insane, they may as well have made it that she didn’t do anything in the time skip, because by the end of the day, she’s exactly in the same spot. Weak and a one panel filler.
    Its hard being a Sakura fan because you want so much for her, but Kishi just makes her deliver a FAIL everytime.

  34. @John

    I second the motion that Yamamoto be granted god status!!! And also the fact that Bleach right now is bringing it a lot harder than Naruto… but we should also factor in that Naruto has been running for about a hundred chapters more so it becomes a bit more difficult to keep it fresh…

  35. Nice Suna, cant say I agree with you about Naruto (and I’ll tell you exactly why later), but it was a good analysis. But more importantly, no mention of Kisame?

  36. nice review. i liked it because it describes thing from a different perspective. thanks…

    @kisuzachi: i know that you like Kirigakure very much. but if you are thinking about Kisame’s return, then it is very likely that you will be disappointed. Madara only mentioned Kisame because he has no idea of Kisame’s death and he is concerned about KillerBee mission.

  37. Great analysis.. but what about when madara said he was worried about Kisame!? Kisame isn’t dead.. cause he didn’t have a flashback of course! ^__^

  38. i told you all…. kakashi has seen it(susano), it is back to training for naruto….this meetin would not produce anything aside discussion and test of strength…kakashi and naruto needed to witness it…. so they will be aware of what they are up against….i think naruto needs to talk to the kyubi.. since it knows the secrets of the uchiha…but most importantly… they have karin….now they will know how to defend all sasuke’s jutsu…kakashi sees it(wit his sharigan)…then it is breakable(by naruto)…

  39. LOL @ the last page. Sasuke was not having it at all.
    Yeah, I thought Naruto third choice was kinda odd. He was all smiling and giggling about wanting to die with Sasuke. That’s why Sasuke probably wanted to kill him Naruto ruin his manhood.

  40. As for those who say tobi can’t be obito and/or can’t be using his body, and while thats most likely the case, however, u can’t use ” his MS is different than kakashi’s” excuse to prove it because there really isnt much difference other than skill an experience in it. Also, I was wondering if sasuke really is using itachi’s eyes. (IF he isnt by now, he most likely will at some point). And if tobi really meant that he’s going to take the rinnigan from nagato’s body, than either he used very poor choice of words or the translation was off. Cause it really does sound like he has the rinnigan stored somewhere in his possession. And for the rinnigan vs sharigan thing, it really depends on the user. Generally speaking rinnigan is the stronger of the dojutsus because of the possibilites of techiniques it can help a ninja learn. However, that doesnt mean every rinnigan user can beat every sharigan user hands down.

  41. Well, the translation in One Manga was: “Guess I’d better collect the Rinnegan before the War begins”.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/486/05/

    Given this translation, it seems that Madara hasn’t the Rinnegan in his possession (yet).

    Mangastream, on the other hand, translated: “I need to be ready for War… This is a good chance to take out the Rinnegan”.

    http://www.mangastream.com/read/naruto/486-70/6

    This is more ambiguous, as “take out” means either I have it stored and I go and take it, or I don’t have it yet, so I must take it out from somewhere (in this case from Nagato’s grave).

  42. Edit***: Opposition will not be tolerated… err… I mean Don’t use profanity unless you make a comment of substance.
    Edit***

  43. not bad suna not bad, only complaint i have is i wish the font was larger, great chapter, every little peak we get of tobi makes us wonder who he really is, im not goin to mention the rinnegan, lets just find out what happens, glad to see my boy zetsu is back but im confused that hes not that great of a fighter, we will have to see him in action, maybe tobi has some new recruits for his war, next chapter might be a little boring but im ready for it, not trying to diss suna but maybe bob should do a follow up on this chapter

  44. sorry for the late post. I thought you did good suna. You covered the major points and your analysis of naruto’s determination is pretty spot on.

    @wo ai ni good catch on the translations.

    this chapter confirms as well that madara’s jutsu collection apparently isn’t limited to just sharingon jars. that tells me he wants to do more than just revive the uchiha clan….he wants to create his own village or some larger scale variant for the purpose of controlling everything. keep in mind there’s still the possibility that he still has Fu and Torune captive in his alternate dimension since he hasn’t shown that he can use his ability offensively.

    also, using zetsu’s spore jutsu to regrow another arm shows us that he he has no reservations about modifications to his body. combine that with the right facial scars, and the fact that nagato was supposed to use his rinne tensei for the purpose of reviving him…i think its probably safe to say he is not in his original body.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/18/

    What we do know is that the uchiha are direct descendants of the “eyes” of the Sage…which means that at some point the rinnegan transformed into the sharingon probably because of their hatred. With that said, its definitely possible he could use the rinnegan, but i personally think he’s prepping sasuke to be his perfect vessel to be reincarnated as the juubi’s host (if that’s truly his goal) and new world leader.

  45. @profess i think zetsu is more of a scout and healer or sorts because of his ability to meld his body into pretty much anything he wants. the only reason i mention ‘healer’ is because he probably has a really strong regenerative ability that was probably used to help madara grow a new arm.

  46. I think obito is tobi like all said above actually he might even be just a poser saying he is madara

  47. can the other dude do the post again, this guys font is too small, and he rambles about nothing. thanks

  48. Like I promised, here I am with my opinion of naruto this chapter.

    Guys/girls, has there ever been a guy/girl you were nice to, but they just misunderstand your kindness for love? Have you ever had to tell that person straight up that you dont like them? Well that’s how this chapter ran for me. Naruto was the desperate guy here and Sasuke was the guy he wanted. Naruto is slowly losing his awesome points in my book. Sasuke basically told him what I have had to tell those kinds of girls before “Why are you so obsessed with me?”. Sorry Jpua (and other NaruHina fans and fanatics out there) and all the NaruSaku fanboys and girls, but the yaoi fangirls seem like they’re gonna win this round, because neither Hinata nor Sakura can compete with Sasuke for Naruto’s heart.

    Now, why is Naruto doing all this? Is it because of a promise he made as a foolish, hormonally-struck preteen child? If that’s the reason, he’s trying to keep his Nindo, that he’ll never go back on his word. But right now, he has to put the village above his nindo, above his pride and stop being a selfish little ba*tard. If Naruto dies, who will protect those loved ones he always talks about (the ones that saved him from himself; Iruka, Sakura, Kakashi etc)? We saw what happened when Kakashi went up against Pain, he got Aizen’d (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aizen%27d).

    Naruto’s the only Konohanian that can face uber powerful haxorz bad guys now, and if he lets him self get killed fighting Sasugay, then he’s turning his back on the village and its people, his father’s wishes, Jiraiya’s wishes, Nagato’s dying wish and is leaving the protection of Konoha in who’s hands?…..Konohamaru? Ebisu? IRUKA!? Naruto needs to get his head out his ass, stop being selfish and put the safety of the 6.5999…..billion people in the Naruverse above Sasuke.

    Anyway, it seems Kisame had a reason to be smiling. I guess he really will play a big part in the story, just like Kishi said in 2008. But more importantly, how did he survive, or what will Kishi pull out of HIS ass to explain Kisame’s survival? Besides, Madara DId say Kisame was the closest to him in all the Akatsuki http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/01/

    As for the Rinnegan, I doubt he’ll get it. This may be the chance Konan gets to show what she’s really made of (we know she’s made of paper, but u get what i mean). Perhaps seals are her specialty since she uses paper, and so far, seals are mostly on paper.r perhaps, he simply meant he’ll remove the Rinnegan from the equation by destroying it (mangastream is a more trusted translation than onemanga).

  49. Btw, I recommend the filler that just ended for anyone who watches the anime. Its easily the best Naruto filler, if for nothing else, but the ending.

  50. I quite agree with you, but Kishi said that the Sasuke – Naruto fight will be the last thing of the series, so I guess that all the other villains will be killed or eliminated in some way and then the only villain left will be Sasuke. So, Naruto will fight him to save his village and then maybe become Hokage (and that also will happen in the end of the series, if it happens indeed, according to Kishi). But of course all these are just speculations.

    And I think that Konan is not made from paper, that is just her paper clone.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/430/14/

    After all, we have seen her before becoming a ninja and learning jutsus and she was a normal girl (while Nagato had already the Rinnegan, probably from his birth).

    @ the filler, I quite liked it, but the end was too abrupt, it was obvious that they wanted to go on with the normal story line due to lack of watchers and don’t forget the current (a bit of lame) manga chapters. So, I must not complain, Pain is coming!

    However, I think it was not an honoured death for the 6 tailed Jinchuriki, although it was a predistinate one. Come on, even the 1, 2, 3, 4 tails drove sometimes the Akatsuki into the corner. But Utakata seemed to have a good control over his Bijuu, so I didn’t like this quick outcome (and no one never learned the truth about him). Poor Hotaru, she is still at this field waiting for her sensei…

  51. I don’t understand what all the fuss is about re: the multiple zetsus…

    I mean in this universe, there’s something called a kage bunshin technique… y is everyone so in awe that zetsu’s able to use this or something like this?

    😉

  52. @Woi Ai Ni, dude, if Utakata even laid a finger on Pain I would have called shenanigans. He was strong, but as we’ve seen before, Pain made light of the Kyubi, so the Rokubi would have been no trouble for him. Btw, I’m getting tired of Kishi and all his interviews, i think he’s TRYING to throw us off with them.

  53. (Hey, it’s Wo, that means “I, me”, in chinese. “Wo ai ni” means “I love you”.)

    I know you ‘re right, but not even a little try?! Too unfair! Deidara said that the 1 tailed jinchuriki was too strong. Kakuzu said to Hidan that the 2 tailed jinchuriki could kill him. The 3 tails were more easily to be caught, because they were not sealed in a man, however Yagura was, like Killerbee, the perfect host. The 4 tails were a difficult task for Kisame, who said to Itachi: “You don’t know what I went through”. And the 6 tails could only run away? OK, creators, we get it that you are desperate for viewers, but don’t make such a rush and sloppy work, for our logic’s sake!

  54. @Suna, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. I have no doubt you worked hard and it shows. It’s just the flow of the writing was difficult for me to follow. I have difficulty reading what doesn’t sound like my inner voice and it seems like the points you hit weren’t what I thought was the most significant although they may be significant to you and other Narutards.

    The most signficant thing to me was Naruto’s declaration of Sasuke and him dying which was the closest anyone has come to converting Sasuke from his avenger hood. Kishi shows that Madara and everyone else knows it.

    I was wrong to give Sasuke Uber man status. He’s still emo. And the thing about it is that if he goes to his emo end Naruto will be waiting there enjoying it. Come’on Sasuke… you don’t want to give Naruto what he wants do you?

    It seems like this Naruto – Sasuke conversation really ventures into the realm of many parent and child conversations especially during the teenage years.

    My last thought is does no one besides us and Naruto realized he’s poisoned? “I can barely even string a sentence together…” I mean, why wouldn’t Madara, let Zetsu mop the floor with a weakened Naruto after he wisks Sasuke away?

    Madara must have something up his sleave or else all his planing was for nothing. If it’s the rinnengan… where’s he going to stick it?

    Anyway, the Naruto in this chapter redeemed the last few chapters for me.

  55. I thought the tobi/madara/obito was decided that madara and tobi was the same but the manga seems to always make me wonder if madara is still alive. I guess will have to wait untill kishi shows his face or untill tobi runs into the tschikage without his mask on

  56. There’s one thing that has been confusing me through out this whole Manga. Ok we all know the Sage of 6 Paths has the Rinnegan and was the founder of the Ninja world, so my question is who came first, The Hyuga clan or The Uchiha clan? Because if the Uchiha clan are the decendants of The Hyuga, it wouldn’t make sense for the Senju clan to have a on going war with the Uchiha clan, Without the Hyuga clan backing up their decendants

    I just read from Naruto.wikia.com ” On his deathbed, the Sage chose his younger son to be his successor. Overcome by bitterness and envy, the older son attacked the younger, beginning a war between them. Their feud would continue on through their descendants: the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan.”

    So if the Hyuga clan are Truly the ancestors of the Uchiha clan, why didn’t they help their decendants? Maybe the Hyuga clan gave up fighting, and this is why we never see a Hyuga clan member make any interaction or confrontation with a Uchiha, and vice versa

  57. @suna i must say that you did show some effort and i altough it wasn’t awesome it was ok.
    this chapter was a 50/50 to me
    i was jumping up and down at naruto’s answer but then relised that he’ll die too………….some actually saw this coming….o.O

    @kisuzachi
    i see where your coming from on the rewind sakura thing altough i never really liked her….come on a kunai!!!..
    BUT UNDER NOOOOO!! CONDITIONS WILL NARUTO LIKE UCHIHA TEME MORE THAN A FRIEND!!
    THAT KISS WAS AN ACCIDENT IT MEANS NOTHING!!
    WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU YOAI FANS, i personally have nothing against same gender relationships but,
    HE’S NOT GAY!!…..teme maybe..BUT NOT NARUTO.
    @nara shikamaru 21
    nagato’s dead..end of story
    but the next inheriter will be naruto’s son/daughter i guarrenty you that or one of his close decendents.

    @byakuugan invasion
    i know it never really made sense after the explanation of the sage of the six paths….then again everything got messed up after that conversation between sasuke and tobi
    so if the uchiha and senji are related through the brothers and fought due to genetations olny sibling rivalry.
    either the hyuuga are the mutated branch of the uchiha
    or not even connected at all ..both twisted but probably
    the first of the two
    ii too also noticed that we have never seen a uchiha and a hyuuga fight, talk, or more or less in the same room or camera shot
    even during the retreval mission sasuke and neji weren’t even in the same scene eventhough thier in the same clearing….OHH! i sense a scandal or missing peace of info

    damn you kishi
    WHERE THE HELL IS THE NARUHINA DEVELOPMENT!!?!

  58. @midnight wolf spirit, I am by no means a yaoi fanboy. BUT, because of how Naruto’s acting, all the people that like yaoi will have a field day making their yaoi hentai with Sasuke and Naruto. And if I still didnt have awesome points for Naruto, I’d say he was hot for Sasuke because no one puts friendship above the lives of multiple people.

  59. i also stand by my i theory of who’s tobi..
    just for some reason saying that he’s mandra doesn’t sit right like calling orochimaru a holy man *shudders*
    and frankly i just don’t buy it

    @suna no ken i noticed that you don’t call him mandra either just tobi as i do , u probably don’t by the mandra-tobi theory either. and their are some people that it could be:

    obito- left eye/ boby noy recovered…….was it?
    itachi- we never actually never saw check if he was dead….just think on it
    a new unknown character….

    remember we still haven’t seen the dude’s face so he could be anyone possessing a sharingan or a reall good henge. it’s the ninja world anything is possible
    i mean we saw a whole village killed ..then brought back to life
    frikin sasuke keeps on escaping death every F-ing time!!!
    i kishi is crazy enough to pull this then mandra is not tobi

    in other matters…….
    GO TO NARUTOHURRICANE.COM AND VOTE FOR HINATA OR NARUTO!! I’LL BE DAMMNED IF THE PSYCHO UCHIHA IS IN FIRST PLACE!!!

  60. bleach aint my favorite but if its got fighting and some kinda story im usually into it. As far as someone was talking about obito not being tobi because obito was young i get that, but tobi didnt get into the akatski untill the here lately, like in the past couple years, does it mean he was wearin that mask even back with the attack with the fox, and the 4th really never said he faced tobi, just said there was a guy with a mask who seen through all his moves, i dont know all I know is its just crazy lol

  61. @kisuzachi
    i never said that you were a yaoi fan its just that yaoi fans are taking over the naruto-internet nd everything!
    narusasu is even the most popular pairing in the whole show!! wth!
    i really want to kill kishimori san for that
    it was a freaking accident nothing happened there!
    as for naruto’s dedication to the baka, he saw him as a brother he never had and lets face it when naruto sets to do something nothing in hevean,hell, and inbetween could stop him……..its kinda his tradgic flaw as well as his source of strenght

  62. nice post suna

  63. But tobi/madara was the kage of the blood mist when zabusa was a kid n he’s roughly the same age as kakashi meaning madara was already kage when kakashi was young which pretty much disproves the tobi/obito thing right???

  64. @midnight wolf spirit
    I don’t think the Byakugan is mutated, because the Byakugan and the Rinnegan are very similar in colors, and the Sharingan is red, so if The Rinnegan was 1st, I would guess the Byakugan came 2nd, but idk it’s just a guess

    Maybe will see a Hyuga (neji) and Uchiha (sasuke) fight one day, Maybe Neji could get trained in SAGE MODE. How sweet would that be, I mean after all no Hyuga can perform Ninjutsu. Hopefully will see something like that

    Utakata got killed 2 quick, I know he wasn’t all that strong but damn, his student was waiting for the guy to come back, Overall nice filler

  65. First three myths to dispell: 1. “ii too also noticed that we have never seen a uchiha and a hyuuga fight, talk, or more or less in the same room or camera shot” Neji and Sasuke were in the same room/talked during the chunin exam. 2. “no Hyuga can perform Ninjutsu”-Actually several have… Neji, Hinata, and Hinata’s dad, neji has something like a 4.5 in ninjutsu (not sure on the exact number but it’s high) 3. All that was said as far as Hyuga being related to Uchiha is that Kakashi THINKS this is true based on rumor. But even so, the Hyuga could have just been more compliant than the Uchiha after Konoha was formed.

    I think naruto might learn reaper death seal to make good on his we will both die promise.

  66. Nice post. I didnt get one part, what slimy arm? (if this was mentioned sorry, too lazy to read the comments)
    i loved how Naruto has plans on bringing Sasuke down with him, he finally realizes that killing Sasuke is the only save te village, and to do so he has to sacrifice himself. Sasuke is already part of his heart, and losing a part of yourself, what makes you you takes great courage. Personally, i thnik he is already becoming a hokage figure, maybe why Kishi is making a build up like this.

  67. Hey where does it say that the Sharingan mutated from the Byakugan? Can someone hook me up with some links? Thx!

  68. @ cas12, on March 13, 2010 at 1:10 am Said:

    “But tobi/madara was the kage of the blood mist when zabusa was a kid n he’s roughly the same age as kakashi meaning madara was already kage when kakashi was young which pretty much disproves the tobi/obito thing right???”

    I’ve noticed this as well.

    So the 3-tails was the former Mizukage – I’m assuming the one right before the current female Mizukage. So this guy was controlled by Madara/Tobi and/or is Madara/Tobi – Kisame addressed Madara/Tobi as Mizukage when the secret was revealed to him.

    Anyway, the 3-tails has a huge scar (similar to Kakashi’s) under his left eye (our right).

    Interesting to see what how Kishi ultimately ties all these hints (Madara, Tobi, Obito, 3-Tails, etc) together. Hopefully it won’t be lame,

  69. @cas12, “But tobi/madara was the kage of the blood mist when zabusa was a kid”- im afraid you’re wrong there. Yagura was the Mizukage when Zabuza was a child. He implemented the Blood Mist graduation exam.

  70. but like @star69 said they said yagura was being controlled by someone n kisame pointed out that madara was a mizukage at some point n it had to be in kisame’s lifetime however old he is

  71. @Mart1
    Okay my bad I thought Ninjutsu was a specific element (wind, water, fire, earth, lightning). But it is also the use of Chakra, Ok I get it now.

    They should really change the stats. Neji strength has been 2.5 for Three years, That doesn’t make any sense, and can You show me a link were a Hyuga and Uchiha made a interaction, either I missed it or forgot about it.

    The whole identity of Madara will never be figured out, it’s too complex to be explained, Me personally I think Madara is Madara and he collects eyes and uses Zetsu to regrow body parts. Madara had more hair cuts than anybody in the series. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Madara_Uchiha

  72. @Byakugan invasion
    okay i noticed that so could it mean that there is a third son/daughter of the sage or is it that the hyuuga is some how branched from the senju when they/ if they develpoped a blood line.? maybe kishimori is losin his mind.

    utakata did get killed to quickly amd the ending of that was so sad, but im more pissed that naruto and utakata did figure out the other was a jinjuriki(?) when they used the same chakra right next to each other.

    to evertone else
    maybe there is some huge huge explanation in the future but i will countinue to call him tobi because how are we sure his is how he said he is

  73. “so could it mean that there is a third son/daughter of the sage”: I think you read too much into the STORY madara told. Nagato was neither Senju nor Uchiha but still related to the Sage of Six. There are other bloodlines besides those two clans. The thing about the uchiha senju carrying on the brother’s fight was metaphorical.

    @Byakugan: I think 2.5 makes sense for neji because he relies on the gentle fist which doesn’t use strength (it uses chakra instead). Remember, that stat is only physical strength. I think speed, ninjutsu, and Taijutsu are what make a good gentle fist user, However, I think all gentle fist users are idiots because if I had a byakugan, I would use ranged attacks where it’s most usefull.

  74. You have a point, The Sage of 6 paths was the founder of the Ninja world, so the bloodline isn’t based on just the Senju and Uchiha clans or Konoha, I mean after all Nagato was from Amegakure and was born with the Rinnegan, so the Sage of 6 paths bloodline might run through all shonobi who could perform Ninjustu, or he could have just been the founder and taught the shonobi within the Clans

    @Mart1: You have to admit those stats are off a little, Rock Lee intelligence is 2??? I never seen Rock Lee do anything stupid. I mean Rock Lee vs Garra was one of the best show downs, and Rock Lee was thinking through out the whole match, and that was 3 years and they got his intelligence as 2. They gave Kankurō a 3 in Taijustu and his main offense comes from a puppet??

    Yeah u right Gentle fist users should use ranged attacks, but I wouldn’t call them idiots. They should just come up with new techniques instead the Ninjustu/Taijustu their Ancestors created years ago

  75. ” I never seen Rock Lee do anything stupid.”- Rock Lee is the dumbest character next to Kiba… 1. He is used as comic releif 2. He can use ninjutsu or genjutsu (beacuse of his learning disabilities) 3. He isn’t tactical at all, he uses raw power.

    “They gave Kankurō a 3 in Taijustu and his main offense comes from a puppet??”-That is preciesly why he has a 3 (which isn’t bad…) HE doesn’t fight and is BAD in close range fights (as stated in his fight with Shino) He relies on his puppets to fight for him. (I’m a big defender of stats being acurate)

    “but I wouldn’t call them idiots.”-Just look at Neji, He was a branch member, meaning he was ousted from the best gentle fist jutsu, this would have been a perfect opportunity to develop HIS OWN style (one that uses long range jutsu) BUT instead (probably because he was on Gai’s team) he learns the clan jutsu on his own… They need to stop horoing tradition (something Neji is all for) and create the NEW jutsu. MY best hope for a good Byakugan user is that guy from Kiriagakure (and he isn’t all that spectacular). (ALSO again statwise, neji’s lowest stat is Inteligence, though that hardly means their all stupid.)

  76. Here is an example of a potential Long range Hyuga:

    Long-range Hyuga jutsu:
    1.Rotation: As a defence
    2.Earth Spike Jutsu (All ranges, further out = less spikes, and max range is one precise spike)
    3.Medical Ninjutsu used combined with Byakugan
    4.Long-Ranged Byakugan
    5.Tunneling jutsu
    6.Tunnel Maze (uses tunneling jutsu to create a maze under the battle field then opens a hole so that opponents fall in.)
    7.Earth Release Barrier: Earth Prison Dome of Magnificent Nothingness
    8.Reverse Earth Release Barrier: Earth Prison Dome of Magnificent Nothingness (gives chakra taken from enemies using #7 to Allies, though the dome is inverted so that the earth just looks like it caved in (therefor allies retain mobility.)

    Main Strategy: Travel Deep below the ground using the Byakugan to see the surface. Sends spikes to impale enemies from deep below. When Allies are in trouble, the Hyuga can protect and hide them with earth ninjutsu while healing them.

  77. “And for the rinnigan vs sharigan thing, it really depends on the user. Generally speaking rinnigan is the stronger of the dojutsus because of the possibilites of techiniques it can help a ninja learn. However, that doesnt mean every rinnigan user can beat every sharigan user hands down.” Actually, yes it does. Every Rinnegan user can beat every Sharingan user. Pain and the Sage of Six Paths can undoubtedly beat all the Sharingan users hands down.

  78. @Wo AI Ni, “And the 6 tails could only run away?”. That’s actually a good move. First off, he saw six guys in Akatsuki robes and he had to return to protect the girl, so hee didnt want to risk fighting. Lastly, he may not have known, but we do, THIS IS THE GUY THAT KILLED JIRAIYA lol, Utakata wouldnt have lasted a minute……oh, he didnt lol

  79. @walmart: ” Rock Lee is the dumbest character next to Kiba “. Well how is this? From the stats they both recieved a 2 for intelligence. I admit Rock Lee isn’t all that bright, but 2 stand side by side with Kiba as far as intelligence goes, I don’t agree with that

    On the stats Neji had a 3 for intelligence and Sasuke has a 3.5. That’s pretty good for both of them. Naruto has a 26 overall and Gaara has 29 overall for Ninjustu, Taijustu, Genjustu, Intelligence, Strength, Stamina, and Hand seals. Sasuke has a 31.5 for his stats. So stat wise Garra is the closest person in Sasuke’s age group who could compete with him, with a overall 29

    Idk maybe it’s to early to talk about stats, After all most of them are 16 & 17. I never said the stat’s were completely worng. It’s just a few of them I don’t agree with, Like Hinata having a 3.5 for intelligence. I’m not saying she’s dumb but to be equal with Sasuke doesn’t sit well with me. We are talking about a girl trying to fight Pain while everybody else were running for safety

    Hinata is one of my favirote female’s of the series, she has alot of potential. She would of stabbed Sasuke unlike Sakura

  80. “Every Rinnegan user can beat every Sharingan user. Pain and the Sage of Six Paths can undoubtedly beat all the Sharingan users hands down.”-I disagree, after seeing Madara battle Fu and Torune, I think he could beat Nagato but I don’t feel like having a huge discusion about it other than to say Madara has the Ultimate ultimate deffence, that he could just use attacks like he did against Fu and Torune while using Nagato’s own bodies against him until Nagato was dead. He could also beat the Sage of Six because we only know of two of the Sage’s jutsu (beast sealing) and Chibaku Tensei.

    @B I: kiba may be worse but at least he can learn JUTSU. I think Lee’s learning disability is what makes him equal to Kiba.

    Neji and Sasuke are both considered genuses. They have invented jutsu, and shown in-depth strategy.

    As for Naruto and Gaara competing with Sasuke, doesn’t it make sense that these too would be best suited to do so? Cometing stats is a bit tricky because there are things like Gaara’s sand being weak against lightning, but at the Kage summit he was able to neutralize Amatseru and Sussanoo attacks. Naruto ALSO seems weaker than Sasuke right now, because he is strong in a few areas but not overall, I think he could manage what he promised in this chapter, but no more. He can’t soundly beat Sasuke, only scrape up a tie through circumstance.

  81. Everytime Someone mentions Sharigan vs Rinnegan, We automatically think Kakashi/ Sasuke/ Itachi/ Madara vs Pain (Nagato). Okay but what about the Guy who founded the Ninja world, anyone else could say Madara vs ” The Sage of 6 Paths “. The Sage of 6 Paths was the 10 tails jinchūriki. Doesn’t Madara want to be the host of this jinchūriki and cast a infinite Genjustu to world?

    And doesn’t Madara want to obtain the Rinnegan for himself? Why would he want the Rinnegan when he claims to have the EMS? Just imagine if Nagato was at full strength

  82. @ Kisu, u beat me to that comment lol.

    @ Mart, if Danzou’s underling (forget which one) can injure Madara and force him to amputate one of his arms… then it’s safe to say Pain will probably be able to take out more than just an arm.

    It just seems like Madara’s invincible, but his technique isn’t invisible as demonstrated by Danzou’s underling.

    Also, it probably has a limit… I mean he hasn’t exactly warped any of the kages around… they’re obviously too powerful for him to do that.

    And there’s a STRONG hint that Madara can’t take on kage level opponents due to some limitation…

  83. Pain also stated his powers couldn’t match the Sage of 6 Paths, which tells me The Sage of 6 Paths wasn’t no joke. Does anyone know when Shippuden is supposed to end because Kishi stated This is the year of Kakashi and after him the Series would focus on Sakura, and I kinda get the vibe we are going to see another time skip with all the training everyone has to do before the war starts,

    We might get a filler on the the 5 tailed and 7 tailed beast, Hopefully those 2 didn’t get easily knocked out like Utakata. I wonder what will Gaara do for this upcoming war, and I wonder how well the nations would work together in the Battle

    Who are the new Akatsuki that were supposed to join? Madara is going to have to create a big army to take on the Great Nations

  84. Just wanna say im not so sure Madara could take out Nagato just cause one of the peins body can steal souls and im not so sure madara could fight 6 bodies, and keep from gettin his soul took, we seen how easy it was for him to steal Shizunes soul, but also wanna say ninja stats really dont matter, I mean my man Jiraiya had the best ninja stats out of anyone and pein took him out, which if jiriaya had known the truth he wouldve won, stated by pein himself. Also wanna ask Mart1 why you think Tobi is so bad ass when he really has done nothing but manipulate people, theres a reason he didnt take out the kages , and if he was the real madara, he shouldve had the power to do so, its because he couldnt cause he’s not as strong as he makes him self out to be. just a really good teleporter

  85. @ rinnegan vs sharingan.

    It really comes down to the own respective ninja. You could get a rinnegan user with extremely poor battle strategy and sure enough he could easily be defeated. Though a rinnegan user with poor battle strategy would be something rare, but that’s only taking into consideration that Nagato used 6 bodies to give him 6 different visions of the one battle field which would make very good battle strategy if this was a consistent strategy with all rinnegan users.

    For the sake of trying to attempt at an accurate analysis, generally speaking if both ninja’s were at their peak and performing to their best, rinnegan obviously has an advantage over the sharingan. Rinnegan opens more doors to more techniques as the rinnegan can do what the sharingan and byakugan can do, but going a step further with seventh path of pain that goes beyond life and death.

    Not to mention that the tablet the Sage left behind can only be fully understood by a rinnegan user and is only partially translatable by byakugan and sharingan users. So coming from a hierarchical point of view, rinnegan would be on top.

    So as a generalisation the rinnegan is the most powerful. If both ninjas were exact equals in stats and smarts, the one with rinnegan would have a favoured outcome of victory over the sharigan user.

    But of course, that hardly ever happens so it really comes down to the respective user.
    If you think about it, Itachi, Madara and Sasuke (could be debatable with Sasuke) are probably some of the most advanced sharingan users ever existing, however Nagato could have been one of the, for lack of a better word, ‘weaker’ rinnegan users.

    We can’t really confirm this as we haven’t seen any other rinnegan users and seen them in battle; disregarding the sage of the six paths as he was a jinchuriki of the 10 tails. Nagato was powerful of course, but in comparison to other rinnegan users, you never know he could have been on the bottom scale. Just a thought.

  86. sorry for double post

    @rock lee having an intelligence of 2
    I don’t think just because he’s a character made for comical relief that he automatically is dumb. I wouldn’t say that his inability to learn jutsu makes him dumb or unintelligent, I think of it more as a handicap rather than ‘he’s just too stupid.’
    So if anything he should be (may not be now, but could definitely be in the future) very good at strategising in battle considering he knows that he can only use taijutsu.

    I would say Hinata is around the 3 to 3.5 because like Neji, she also invented her own jutsu. At least I think she has, lol can’t remember because all my focus has gone to how pathetic Sakura is.

    Honestly, I think when the focus goes on Sakura after Kakashi, it’s going to be because they changed the focus of the manga from a ninja action adventure, to a more dramatic/rom-com kind of focus lol. It’ll be about how she deals with her emotions, potential flings or something ridiculous because her in battle = epic fail beyond belief.
    Or maybe she’s only epic fail when it comes to Sasuke.

    Meh anways Kishi has managed to turn me to a Sakura hater (well not hater, just didn’t really notice her at all) to Sakura fan because of her new training, to a Sakura lover because her battle with Chiyo Ba Sama and puppet master was some good action, and back to a Sakura hater again (lol not hater, more like just pathetic that she shouldn’t have existed in the first place not because I don’t like her, but because she does nothing).

    Is that extreme? Freakin’ heck I swear Sakura makes me bipolar!

  87. @Mart, when Madara is going to attack he becomes tangible, and all it takes to remove a soul is a touch, all it takes to kill is one Shinra Tensei, missiles can kill from one touch as well. I dont know, but Madara’s teleportation is a JUTSU, and Pain has a body that effectively cancels jutsus.

  88. Rock Lee is dumb, he got tricked by Sakura, enough said. But taking it further, she chose specifically ROCK LEE and KIBA (the two dumbest of the Konoha 11) because they were the easiest to fool.

    @rayban, we’re going on statistics here. So far EVERY Rinnegan-user can beat EVERY Sharingan user 8)

  89. ” I wouldn’t say that his inability to learn jutsu makes him dumb or unintelligent, I think of it more as a handicap rather than ‘he’s just too stupid.”-That’s like saying a mentaly handicapped person isn’t stupid. Yes, they have reason for their stupidity, but they still can’t function normally. As Gai said, it isn’t from some physical limit but because he lacks skill. Inteligence doesn’t = strategy, strategy is one of many things derived from inteligence. Further proof Lee doesn’t strategize is that he does better when drunk/unconscious.

    Why do I think Tobi is a badass? Because he is… His Jutsu does have one weakness in that he is volnurable when he strikes, but as shown against Torune, he knows this weakness, and defends against it adequately. He is also apparently weak when teleporting others, but he has no reason to teleport Nagato or his bodies when he can just kill them with a Taijutsu/teleport combo. He didn’t fight the Kages because he want’s Sasuke too. I admit he isn’t his former self, but he is still a beast. I’m not saying the renningan isn’t strong, obviously he needs it to use the beast statue (I fail to see how reading the tablet is a matter of strength, the renningan is just better because those were the eyes that wrote it.) HOWEVER in battle, Madara could just seperate the bodies from Nagato and then either kill them one by one or do a quick strike on Nagato who was left open. As for the soul stealer: it requires the body to touch the opponent (which it can’t do because of Madara’s teleportation) and even if it did get a hold of him, as shown by Oro. you can stop complete soul stealing from happening. And let’s face it, Shizune is a weakling…) Also, following the golden rule of manga (that each villan is stronger than the last) Madara > Nagato.

  90. “when Madara is going to attack he becomes tangible”: BUT HE chooses when to become tangible, so he can attack at a time when Pain can’t counterattack, and given that he KNOWS this is his one weakness, and that he is a master strategist, he is going to wait very pateintly for that opportunity.

    “but Madara’s teleportation is a JUTSU, and Pain has a body that effectively cancels jutsus.”-NO, Pein has a body that absorbs chakra and is based on CONTACT. Ex. When he absorbed Jiriaya’s combo water ninjutsu attack the water was still present, just harmless. Madara could teleport away even if HGR was in contact with him because he would have to lose all of his chakra to stop teleporting. Also he can leave his chakra network behind and still teleport while being immune to chakra stealers as shown against Shino.

    “@rayban, we’re going on statistics here. So far EVERY Rinnegan-user can beat EVERY Sharingan user”-where are these stats???

  91. “BUT HE chooses when to become tangible, so he can attack at a time when Pain can’t counterattack, and given that he KNOWS this is his one weakness, and that he is a master strategist, he is going to wait very pateintly for that opportunity.” I could say the same about Pain. He’ll just wait for Madara to attack, he knows as much about Madara as anyone else.

    “NO, Pein has a body that absorbs chakra” exactly. The moment Madara engages the jutsu, all he has to do is absorb that chakra, thus nullifying the jutsu.

    “@rayban, we’re going on statistics here. So far EVERY Rinnegan-user can beat EVERY Sharingan user”-where are these stats???” – these stats are that 100% of all Rinnegan users are God-like beings while only Itachi, Sasuke, Madara and Kakashi STAND out as Sharingan users, and I doubt they even make up 5% of the Sharingan users in this manga.

  92. ” I could say the same about Pain. He’ll just wait for Madara to attack, he knows as much about Madara as anyone else.” he’s never seen Madara use teleportation. Madara is even more secratove than Pein about his jutsu until after Pein’s death. That said, it’s a draw until Madara can get a hit because of his intangibility, he can survive attacks from pain even if he does manage to get hit.

    “The moment Madara engages the jutsu”-As kakashi said, the engagement is instantaneous with no hand seals or preplaced tags, it is effectively always active. He doesn’t have to build up chakra to teleport so HGR has no opportunity to absorb it.

    “100% of all Rinnegan users are God-like beings”-most renningan defendants can’t activate the renningan. Ex. Nagato’s parents obviously share his bloodline, yet no renningan, MOST of that bloodline are just too weak to begin with. It is only nagato and the sage of six that stand out because they can use it. To put it another way, yes the sharingan users may have a lower average stat but there are more of them, so they have a higher total. Also in my oppinion, the greatest Uchiha (Madara) can beat the two greatest Renningan users.

  93. @Mart1
    OMG!, you have gone out of your mind, saying Madara can beat the Sage of Six Paths is not only blasphemous, its an outright lie. How can Madara, who wants to be the host of the Juubi because of it’s incredible power hope to surpass the man that subdued the Juubi. If anything Madara hopes to be the Sage of the Six Paths, and he can hope all he wants, the fact is no one can match him, he set the standard to high, not even I would dare say that Jiraiya is The Sage’s equal, and Jiraiya is my main man, that would be a downright lie. I also agree with Kisu and all those that say the Rinnegan can beat the Sharingan or EMS, one can argue that Nagato/Pain can beat the most prolific Sharingan user Madara, as it is right now Madara can’t even use Susanno, since it requires both eyes, either Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, but not both, since he has only one eye and all he can do is vanish and avoid and maybe sucker punch someone and it takes more than a simple punch to defeat one of Pain’s bodies. We know that Madara can turn ghost all of a sudden and avoid physical attacks, as well as, chakra based attacks, like the Rasengan, but consider Pain’s Shinra Tensei it does not have a physical medium and its gravity, it should still be able to hit Madara or at least blow him away, granted Shinra Tensei at a small scale is not a K.O. move, but it is still a decent offensive move and a great defensive move, with very little drawback. Sure Madara could probably warp and try to attack Pain’s blind spot, but with all the Pain’s looking warping is somewhat limited, Pain would be aware of his location at the time Madara is coming out of his warp hole or whatever and attack him, so in my opinion Nagato/Pain is stronger than Madara and The Sage of the Six Paths pawns Madara like their is no tomorrow. Peace out.

  94. How can it be possible for Madara to BEAT the Sage of 6 paths, The 10 tailed jinchūriki, The founder of THE NINJA WORLD. Madara beating The Sage of 6 paths is only a fantasy, a childs dream to say. Madara goal is to become WHAT the Sage of 6 Paths was until his death ” The host of the 10 tailed Beast “.

    The only reason Madara became the strongest Uchiha, because he forced his brother to give up his eyes according to Itachi, Madara said he gave it to him on his own will, But who do I believe in more? Itachi or Tobi? Itachi of course, the same guy who gave Naruto some of his power

    @Mart1: tell me why does Madara want the Rinnegan? Madara has all those eyes in his secret lab, but he wants to obtain the Rinnegan. I don’t know how he’s planning on getting it.

    If what Kakashi say is true meaning that the Rinnegan is nothing but a mutation, Then the theory of the Rinnegan, Byakugan, and Sharigan get’s more complexed, and to be honest it’s making my head hurt, lol. Didn’t Pain used a genjustu on Kakashi during the invasion? It looked like a Genjustu 2 me. Nagato is a beast and like Sasuke he was Manipulated by Madara

  95. Ehhh Mart….

    Ok, first, I doubt Nagato’s parents are descendants of the sage… from Jiraiya’s dialogue, it indicates that it randomly showed up in Nagato.. like a rare mutation or something.

    I don’t really think we need an elaborate explanation… kishi just needed to debut a new set of eyes that are the best and never seem before.

  96. Also, how do you know Pain/Nagato doesn’t know of Madara/Tobi’s teleportation technique?

    If anything, when it was revealed that Tobi is Madara – when Tobi/Madara was standing at the edge of Pain’s HQ – Tobi/Madara jumped off the edge and disappeared (teleported) after saying “The Real Power of Uchiha Madara” (or something). At least this is what happened in the anime version 😉

    Anyway, I don’t think it’s likely that Pain didn’t know of Madara’s teleportation technique. Even if he didn’t (unlikely), Pain would probably be able to piece things together: ie – I wonder how Madara/Tobi escaped Deidara’s explosion which had a 10km radius…

  97. Hey everybody. Long time lurker, first time poster. I have a theory on Tobi that I have not seen discussed. What if Tobi is Shisui? Itachi supposedly killed him but we never see his body. Heck, we never even see what he looked like that I can remember. Shisui’s eyes can control people’s minds without them knowing. This can explain Sasuke’s descent into madness. This can also explain why Danzo only had one of Shisui’s eyes. Tobi’s got the other one. He may have been close to death from fighting Itachi, somehow survived, but not before Itachi took out one of his eyes. Danzo finds it, implants it while Shisui is recorvering. This could also explain the scars. Also, am I the only one that found it odd that Shisui has this really powerful ability that no other Uchiha had? And that he keeps getting mentioned despite being killed prior to the manga’s first issue’s events? Just a thought.

  98. Oh, sorry for the double post, but thought I’d add that my theory would also explain Tobi being around Kakashi’s age when Madara would be the oldest guy living.

  99. @ Mart:

    Also, you’re reverence of Madara’s strategic ability is blinding you.

    Under his watch (albeit behind the scenes) he lost Sasori, Kakuzu, Hidan, Kisame, Pain, etc. This isn’t the hallmark of a perfect strategist. We can all agree that moving forward things would be easier if these guys were still alive – in Pain’s case alive and still on Madara’s side.

    Sure there may be new Akatsuki members, but it doesn’t hurt to have those original members alive and on the team as well.

    Also, you’re arguing that he’s not fighting the kage because he wants Sasuke to fight them… dude that’s just weak.

    The most probably reality is that Madara CAN’T fight the kages because he’s deficient. Tourune and Fu may be jounin, but they are probably a few levels below Kakashi… which is low enough for Madara to take them out at his current level..

    BUT Madara lost an arm doing so. I’M 100% certain that Madara will lost more than an arm if he fought Pain.

  100. I definately agree that there is foundation for people to speculate about the madara and obito connection to many simalarities however the countless posturing claiming that he is madara the knowledge of the past etc all points that he is in fact madara uchiha. Added to which obito would make a crappy antagonist vs one of the strongest ninja’s of all time the former leader of the uchiha clan and contender for first hokage.

    the arm thing is something that is really puzzling. i keep thinking that it seems to me that Madara is trying to create within himself the ultimate ninja. The rinnegan eyes he is obviously retrieving from nagato which i believe he will try and implant into himself, the mysterious arm i think can only be the one and only arm from Danzo representing the power of the Shoidame who had the mysterious tree ninjutsu. With this culmination he will have the most powerful genetics of any ninja, combining the power of the 1st hokage, the sage of six paths and the uchiha clan.

    Maybe he is using Sasuke as the distraction to obtain all these powers. What ever happens to be the case it is evident that Madara is obtaining all the most powerful “items” in the world and combining them within himself.

  101. damnnnnn mart1 is getting fried on here hahahahahah.

    and whats up with deleting my earlier post you communist. is there censorship at Shannaro now? you were criticized, shamed, name-called (that was low, i admit), but you should be a big boy and deal with it. thats what happens when you incite a rebellion….

    X OUT!!!!!
    haha

  102. @greenpeas

    Man you hit the nail right on the head. That has to be what hes doing. Why didnt i think of that?

  103. @ GreenPeas:

    That’s a really good point bout the arm. It being Danzou’s didn’t cross my mind at all. I’m too lazy to look back to see if both arms are on the same side… but I’m sure they are 😉

    Also, another thing that adds to your theory of Madara collecting jutsus is Zetsu acting as an HD camera by “recording” all the recent big fights and Madara indicating that he will ‘watch them’ at a later time – I’m guessing zetsu can do something similar to the #4 Arrancar in Bleach (Ulquirra-wutever his name is) by visually showing what his eyes saw/recorded.

  104. @John:”saying Madara can beat the Sage of Six Paths is not only blasphemous, its an outright lie”- I see The Sage of Six as a more powerfull but less skilled version of Nagato. If anything I think Nagato would have a better chance of defeating Madara than the Sage of Six because it takes SKILL to defeat him and pure power is useless. Just as Kisu. argues that Hirishima was powerfull back when he was a shinobi, I argue that the Sage of Six is actually weaker than someone with his natural gifts would be today, because of the progresion of jutsu (the sage of six only knew what he himself invented and as far as we know that was only Chibakur Tensei). He wasn’t in possesion of the Six Paths (bodies) in any of his pictures and I don’t see him using things like Asura path’s missiles.

    “If anything Madara hopes to be the Sage of the Six Paths”-He wants the Jubi for sure considering that with that power AND his skill he would be impossible to beat, but that doesn’t mean that his current skills don’t have merit.

    “it takes more than a simple punch to defeat one of Pain’s bodies”-HGR got owned by a punch. Just because it’s low-tech doesn’t mean it would be anyless effective.

    “it should still be able to hit Madara or at least blow him away, granted Shinra Tensei at a small scale is not a K.O. move, but it is still a decent offensive move and a great defensive move, with very little drawback.” using any of his gravity powers would be RETARDED. 1. They do have a medium (space) as they are seen traveling outward from Pein in waves (like normal gravity feilds with Pein as the center) so Madara can EASILY avoid them by teleporting into the space between the gravity wave and Pein. 2. Pein is left vulnerable due to this because a. the gravity waves prevent the other Pein’s from reaching him and he can’t reuse it for five seconds (and since teleporting is instantaneous, this is more than enough time to strike).

    “Sure Madara could probably warp and try to attack Pain’s blind spot, but with all the Pain’s looking warping is somewhat limited, Pain would be aware of his location at the time Madara is coming out of his warp hole or whatever and attack him” 1. Pein’s weakness is Madara’s greatest strength (mobility) because Pein is weaker when seperated, it would be a simple strategy to feint when attacking so that Pein thinks one body is about to get hit when it is really another. 2. Take out a few bodies via Feinting, and there are holes in his vision to exploit.

    “Ok, first, I doubt Nagato’s parents are descendants of the sage… from Jiraiya’s dialogue, it indicates that it randomly showed up in Nagato.. like a rare mutation or something.”-Nagato is the first to awaken the Eyes, but to get them from his parents, his parents must have had the reccesive gene for them, meaning they had the potential to unlock them, but their genetics weren’t strong enough.

    @Star 69: “Also, how do you know Pain/Nagato doesn’t know of Madara/Tobi’s teleportation technique?”-because he never saw it in the Manga (and though I don’t really watch the Anime, didn’t Pein leave before that?)

    “Also, you’re reverence of Madara’s strategic ability is blinding you.”-I’m not really all that worked up about his strategy (I only talked about the battle strategies HE employed) as far as the far scope of it goes on his strategies, I think he has goals besides obtaining the Jubi that are easier to acheive with Akatsuki gone. For instance, they seem like some of the best suited people to fight off his plans and also the most likely (criminals that want world Peace, and trying to use Tsukyoumi on Sasori wouldn’t go well…) but that’s all speculatory. I’m more impressed with the way he uses teleportation.

    “Also, you’re arguing that he’s not fighting the kage because he wants Sasuke to fight them… dude that’s just weak.”- No it ties DIRECTLY into accomplishing his goals. He needs Sasuke to awaken the MS AND to be at a certain level of strength to be usefull in Bijju sealing. I have an entire theory post (Kenzentai) explaining two things 1. Why he is pushing Sasuke and 2. Why he doesn’t do a snatch and grab on Naruto (it would also explain why losing Pein wasn’t a terrible outcome, even though it wasn’t intentional)

    @X: I deleated your comment because it was all spam and swears with nothing constructive or meaningfull. (And so what if I’m a communist??? (Just kidding) )

  105. Oh and greenpeas: I agree (again just look at the Kenzentai theory I did a while ago) and think the Danzo’s arm thing was a great catch. (They are both on the right side. Though another possiblity is that he just recreated the arm using the jars of eyes we saw instead of taking Danzo’s (which may have been booby trapped like Shisuisu’s eye)

  106. @ walmart1: Sasuke hasn’t been seen taking a crap… so by your logic, because we haven’t seen it, then he never craps?

  107. “@ walmart1: Sasuke hasn’t been seen taking a crap… so by your logic, because we haven’t seen it, then he never craps?”-Well it would make sense why he’s always full of crap. My logic is that to be an unbiased arguement, you have to go on what was shown. You COULD say that the Sage of Six or Nagato knew some uber jutsu they just never used. But that means two things logically 1. I can say Madara has an equally powerfull uber jutsu (or a stronger one) and 2. If he had said Jutsu why not use it in battle? (this one goes more towards Nagato who we have seen in battle.)

  108. @walmart1 and anyone else saying that is Danzo’s arm:

    It’s impossible. Clearly Danzo’s arm got turned into wood, along with each of the sharingan eyes in it. Of course, all those eyes were sacrificed with Izanagi anyway, so they are useless.

    It is possible that Tobi decided to recreate an arm similar to Danzo’s but we see in the picture that the arm is slimy just like the arm Tobi lost to Torune. This means that he simply replaced the arm exactly as he had it before.

  109. If Madara is as badass as you assume he is, then he would be able to take out all the Akatsuki no problem. It would be rational (less work for Madara) to have his Akatsuki footsoldiers do the work for him while he’s vacationing.

    And I agree he has other motives… it’s not the best strategy to announce to ones enemies one’s own (true) strategy, per se.

  110. Btw, is Mart1 and walmart1 the same person?

  111. @ Mart1, I find it hard for Pain to team up with a supervillain without doing research on his background…

    This coupled with the fact that they’ve worked together for probably 10+ years… and for all we know Pain was part of the ‘inner circle’ with Zetsu and Madara – Pain knew the truth about Itachi – then if Zetsu knows Madara can teleport, y wouldn’t Pain?

  112. “Just as Kisu. argues that Hirishima was powerfull back when he was a shinobi, I argue that the Sage of Six is actually weaker than someone with his natural gifts would be today”- Nagato said he paled in comparison to the Sage. He had enough chakra to create a moon (i still dont get that, it leaves even more questions unanswered like “Just how big is Naruto’s “Earth” etc…).

    “but that doesn’t mean that his current skills don’t have merit.” no one is saying Madara is weak, just that he cant beat Kage level opponents, or God-like beings like Nagato.

    “1. They do have a medium (space) as they are seen traveling outward from Pein in waves (like normal gravity feilds with Pein as the center) so Madara can EASILY avoid them by teleporting into the space between the gravity wave and Pein.” how would he know where that middle space is? And getting in close would be worse for him because if Pain gets a chakra transmitter in him, its as good as over (Naruto overpowered a weakened Nagato with a mixture of the Kyubi and Sage Mode, Madara doesnt have that much chakra).

    “Nagato is the first to awaken the Eyes, but to get them from his parents, his parents must have had the reccesive gene for them, meaning they had the potential to unlock them, but their genetics weren’t strong enough.” based on what Jiraiya said, we can deduce that everyone has that recessive gene, but Jiraiya also said Nagato is the Sage’s reincarnation (Rinnegan means Samsara eye, and Samsara is the Reincarnation cycle in Hinduism), so simply reproducing wont create a Rinnegan-user, it takes the soul of the Sage (according to Jiraiya’s statement).

    “As kakashi said, the engagement is instantaneous with no hand seals or preplaced tags, it is effectively always active. He doesn’t have to build up chakra to teleport so HGR has no opportunity to absorb it.” once again, at the point of actually being pulled in is his chance, or simply touching Madara is his chance.

    “he’s never seen Madara use teleportation.” By your logic, that means Madara doesnt know ANY of Pain’s techniques lol. We can speculate on whether Pain knows Madara’s secret or not, and we can also speculate on whether Madara knows Pain’s secrets as well.

    Bottom line, all it takes for Pain to beat Madara is just one touch (soul absorption, chakra absorption, shinra tensei at point blank range, or a missile at point blank range….all equates to death).

  113. Also, Madara’s teleportation technique probably has a lag time – much like Pain’s gravitational technique – … we will surely find out as the story progresses.

    That is pure speculation on my part 😉

    Every technique so far has a drawback.. or else it would literally be unbeatable.

  114. @walmart
    skills that the Rikudo Sage possessed were described as “not human”
    Nagato said his Chibaku Tensei paled in comparison to the Sage’s which shows that despite him being able to make a bigger one, it still wont match the Sage..however Nagato struggled to make that block of sphere, the Sage made the moon because he has the Jubi which couldve provided power source…but if the Jubi was already divided then he can’t use their chakra unless a tailed beast is sealed inside him again..

  115. @star69
    I agree wd u there…they weren’t attacking him every 5 seconds so we don’t know how consistent is it…

  116. @star69
    agree wd u there..they werent attacking im evry 5 seconds so we dont know how consistent it really is

  117. On a side note:

    How lame is it that a Kurenai-level genjutsu technique tricked Danzou, ultimately leading to his death?!?!

    Danzou’s able to counter Tsukiyomi dammit (albeit a Sasuke level Tsukiyomi, which should still be powerful)… lame…

    I know I’m like 10 chapters late with that comment 🙂

  118. I bet Madara learned that teleportation jutsu frm the Sage’s tablets…probably when he was in Konoha when Itachi found him…& that the Sage was also the 1st to use it…finally, I think the Sage is the strongest character in this Naruverse…

  119. “Btw, is Mart1 and walmart1 the same person?”-Yup

    “@ Mart1, I find it hard for Pain to team up with a supervillain without doing research on his background…”- I don’t, Madara is a master at manipulating people, he could easily have told him a lie, told him he was going to use a genjutsu to create peace, or simply threatened him (before you say threats wouldn’t work, Madara DID threaten him).

    “Nagato said he paled in comparison to the Sage.” IN STRENGTH. I do not doubt that the Sage had MASSIVE chakra reserves as the Jubi Jinkuri and even beforehand, BUT did he have SKILL, did he know lots of jutsu or just the basics taken to extremes with his super chakras? I doubt that the Sage of Six knew even all of Nagato’s jutsu considering Nagato got formal training and had a basis to build upon.

    “how would he know where that middle space is? And getting in close would be worse for him because if Pain gets a chakra transmitter in him, its as good as over (Naruto overpowered a weakened Nagato with a mixture of the Kyubi and Sage Mode, Madara doesnt have that much chakra).” BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE where the Gravity waves are… AND because his sharingan would further enable him to see it. As far as the Chakra transmiters. Madara’s chakra is supposed to be MORE sinister than the Kyubbi’s so I would think it would be BETTER than Naruto’s, AND where is the proof that Madara has low chakra? he is handicapped in some way yes, but it never says he doesn’t have chakra. (in fact he was confirmed to have a normal chakra ciculatory system by Hinata.) AND this is even IF Nagato can hit him with a transmitter. Unlike Naruto he has the Sharingan (to see it coming) and then again Teleportation Jutsu to dodge (this time being just the partial)

    “at the point of actually being pulled in is his chance, or simply touching Madara is his chance”: You seem to be misunderstanding how Madara would use the Teleportation jutsu in a fight with Nagato: He wouldn’t have any reason to teleport NAGATO (considering Animal Realms powers) he would Teleport HIMSELF, and then take out Nagato with Taijutsu.

    “By your logic, that means Madara doesnt know ANY of Pain’s techniques lol”: I’m fine with that logic, except that he knew of several techniques like the mass revival one (I forget the specific ones, but like I said I’m fine with that logic)

    “Bottom line, all it takes for Pain to beat Madara is just one touch”-Bottom line, Nagato would never GET that touch.

    “Also, Madara’s teleportation technique probably has a lag time – much like Pain’s gravitational technique – … we will surely find out as the story progresses.

    That is pure speculation on my part

    Every technique so far has a drawback.. or else it would literally be unbeatable.”- I challenge you to show me this lag time because he has been shown using teleportation multiple times in a single fight and no one noticed it, as well as the time when he teleported Sasuke out of danger and then almost immediatley teleported to avoid the Raikage (or just teleporting sasuke as it’s own instance because he had to teleport in and then out in less than a second.

  120. “http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/10/: This is an immage showing the Gravity Shockwave, the area inside the shockwave is fine however, or Deva Realm would be ripped to shreads.

    “I bet Madara learned that teleportation jutsu frm the Sage’s tablets…probably when he was in Konoha when Itachi found him…& that the Sage was also the 1st to use it…finally, I think the Sage is the strongest character in this Naruverse…”-What proof is there? or is this just wild speculation? I think it’s more logical that he learned/invented it while fighting Minato, and just improved it.

    “the Sage made the moon because he has the Jubi which couldve provided power source…but if the Jubi was already divided then he can’t use their chakra unless a tailed beast is sealed inside him again..”-Or he could have stored some of it’s chakra for later use, or he could have had chakra expanding effects due to having to constantly surpress the Jubi (like in that filler with the rock), or as you say he could have used the bijju chakra (which wasn’t sealed in the moon). But I still fail to see how that makes him SKILLED.

    AND to Define skilled: I mean knowing multiple jutsu with multiple purposes/uses. NOT knowing three or four Jutsu of such strength no opponent in his time could come close to using/beating.

  121. “I don’t, Madara is a master at manipulating people, he could easily have told him a lie, told him he was going to use a genjutsu to create peace, or simply threatened him (before you say threats wouldn’t work, Madara DID threaten him).”

    -Dude how is he a master at manipulating ppl? Is manipulating Sasuke a feat in itself? We know that he was kicked outta the leadership position by his own clansmen… pretty good manipulation skills, eh? lol.

    -When did Madara threaten him?

    “Bottom line, Nagato would never GET that touch.”

    -Bottom line is that it’s been proven that TOUCHING Madara is possible… by Danzou’s goon… if he can do it, Pain can as well.

  122. “- I challenge you to show me this lag time because he has been shown using teleportation multiple times in a single fight and no one noticed it, as well as the time when he teleported Sasuke out of danger and then almost immediatley teleported to avoid the Raikage (or just teleporting sasuke as it’s own instance because he had to teleport in and then out in less than a second.”

    Challenge accepted.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/466/15/

    Sequence of events:
    1)Tshuchikage smashes Sasuke
    2)Tshuchikage says to Karen “of course they’re gone… his body was smashed to smithereens. And you’re Next.”
    3) bunch of panels
    4) Gaara n Raikage arrive at scene
    5) More panels.
    6) all notice Madara holding Sasuke
    7) End of chapter

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/06/

    8) Raikage charges at Madara n misses

    Not saying the lag time is 5 seconds, but I’m pretty sure at least 5 seconds went by between #1 (when Madara rescued Sasuke) and #8.

    9) Madara teleports back alone
    10) Raikage dusts himself off and says “No Plan of Akatsukis… can be anything good! Don’t bother explaining! Bring Sasuke Back!”

    I know Raikage is black and his bro is a rapper, but saying all that took me a few seconds 🙂

    11) Madara says “then listen to me and depending on your answer, I might.”

    12) Madara jumps down to Karin and teleports her away to Sasuke…

    I wonder y he didn’t teleport to Karin instead and then do a double teleport one after another???

    @ Walmart1: contrary to what you claim, Madara didn’t ‘IMMEDIATELY’ spam use his teleportation

  123. Let me refine it a little more:

    Madara teleports to save Sasuke @ #1. Not sure how the technique works, but guessing that it’s like a door so once it’s opened he can just scoop Sasuke out without actually having to teleport in ==> stop ==> teleport out.

    Madara (with Sasuke) teleports back to the room somewhere between #2 – #6. I’m arguing that time passes by from #2-6 since there’s dialogue and ppl start arriving, which all takes time to occur. So we don;t know how long Madara was standing there for.

    Not sure what the lag time is between Madara teleporting back in and Raikage noticing him and Raikage charging at him.

    Also, not sure what the lag time is between Raikage separating himself from the wall, dusting himself off, and saying his lines (#10)… Madara seems to teleport in when Raikage starts dusting himself off.

    Not sure y Madara didn’t just teleport to Karin & teleport her out at the same time.

    It’ll be interesting to see what the timing of it is in the anime. The panels don’t exactly show the timing of the technique.

  124. “Not saying the lag time is 5 seconds, but I’m pretty sure at least 5 seconds went by between #1 (when Madara rescued Sasuke) and #8.”- But what about the fact that Madara Teleports in to save sasuke, grabs him, and then teleports out in less than a second? thats two teleports with NO LAG what-so-ever because otherwise he would just get hit by Oniki’s attack. REAPPEARING happened later, but those two teleports were consecuitive.

    “I wonder y he didn’t teleport to Karin instead and then do a double teleport one after another???”-probably cuz he thought she was useless… He probably didn’t know just how bad Sasuke was in need of her healing till after he picked him up. Basically, Karin was an afterthought when he realized Danzo was gone and that he wanted Sasuke to fight again.

    “Bottom line is that it’s been proven that TOUCHING Madara is possible… by Danzou’s goon… if he can do it, Pain can as well.” Again, While he managed to touch him, it was only when he was being teleported BY madara, which meant he was going to the place where Madara’ arm usually goes, so Madara would have no where else to dodge to. On the other hand, as I said above, Madara wouldn’t teleport Pein because 1. it doesn’t fit his objective (to kill Nagato) and 2. because it would be pointless (as they would just get summoned back)

  125. “Madara teleports to save Sasuke @ #1. Not sure how the technique works, but guessing that it’s like a door so once it’s opened he can just scoop Sasuke out without actually having to teleport in ==> stop ==> teleport out” what proof is there that it is like that? and if so, wouldn’t that mean he couldn’t do his partial intangibility (another proof of his no-lag) because the attacks that were going to hit him would just follow his organs into the next dimmension. Naruto’s Rasengan would have connected if this were the case, and Shino’s bugs would have either been sent to a new location when they attacked Madara or followed him when he teleported. I say that Madara can move between any too points at will by 1. jumping to some other dimmension and 2. Jumping back, taking with him whatever he chooses.

    “Not sure what the lag time is between Madara teleporting back in and Raikage noticing him and Raikage charging at him.” I beleive it was little to none.

  126. this topic really deserves it’s own blog… I’ll write one up tommarow. Oh and there was some time between the Raikage strike, but again, using it to dodge that attack means it’s got no lag.

  127. @ Mart1:

    I’m just theorizing and picked lag time as the variable that’s the weakness.

    If he has to tele in, stop, and tele out to save Sasuke, then you are correct as that must be done in a second’s time. Again, I was theorizing that maybe he can just open the door at Sasuke’s location and have Sasuke fall thru it… thus avoiding the three step (tele in, stop, tele out) process if there is indeed a lag time.

    Also, it’s pretty clear cut that there’s a lag time between when he comes back into the room and Raikage charging at him. First, we don’t know when he came back in… we just know when they kages notice him.

    If the technique is as infallible as you’re assuming it is, then Kishi should just end the series cause it’s the ultimate technique.

    But it’s been proven that a goon can hurt Madara to the extent of him losing a limb. Also, if Madara can willfully suck any ninja into his galaxy, I’m not sure y he hasn’t done so already. To me, this signifies that there’s a limit to who he can do that to.

  128. Dude I’m hijacking this thread since the last few chapters have been lame…

  129. “I doubt that the Sage of Six knew even all of Nagato’s jutsu considering Nagato got formal training and had a basis to build upon.”- the Sage created jutsu and went around teaching it to people, so yes, he does have jutsus. Though admittedly, over the years these jutsu would had to have been further developed (right now im assuming Naruverse people are like people in our universe always perfecting things, but then again….these people dont even have cellphones), but the Sage’s immense chakra could make even the most rudimentary techniques fatal.

    “Madara’s chakra is supposed to be MORE sinister than the Kyubbi’s so I would think it would be BETTER than Naruto’s, AND where is the proof that Madara has low chakra?” Sasuke’s is also more sinister than the Kyubi, but does he have the Kyubi’s chakra levels? You’re being ridiculous now, Madara doesnt have the chakra levels the KYubi does. Though, since Konohamaru has never really showed all he can do, I guess he must have more chakra than the Kyubi too eh lol?

    “BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE where the Gravity waves are… AND because his sharingan would further enable him to see it.” you misunderstood. Wonderwoman has an invisible jet (not very practical when you think about it lol), but WE can see the outline because WE are supposed to be reading, its the same with the gravity. Kakashi and Naruto and the frogs cant see it, only WE can.

    “Bottom line, Nagato would never GET that touch.” If Torune could, then so can a ninja infinitely more skilled than him.

  130. lol, i find it funny that every chapter discussion always reverts into a “who-can-beat-Pain” debate lol

  131. “Madara doesnt have the chakra levels”: I’m not saying that he can match the chakra of the kyubbi in amout, but QUALITY, if he is too stuborn to die, he is sure as hell to stuborn to be controled (even Sakura can stop mind control…)

    “Kakashi and Naruto and the frogs cant see it, only WE can.” Inncorect, even with the invisibility factor, it still effects the things in between you and the user, pushing them outward (ex. The ground) so you can still see the area that is being effected. AND I still disagree with the invisibility factor.

    “If Torune could, then so can a ninja infinitely more skilled than him.”-How? Madara has no reason to put himself in the position he was in when hit and even so, most of Pein’s bodies couldn’t make contact in the corect location. Asura Pein for instance would have to be teleported by his brain to be able to succesfully detonate on Madara, because in the split second he has to strike, the effects have to reach madara, and that won’t happen if say he was teleported by the leg (non bomb area) because the detonation would effect the area around asura, which Madara is teleporting away from anyways.

  132. “lol, i find it funny that every chapter discussion always reverts into a “who-can-beat-Pain” debate lol” Sometimes it’s others like Madara, Itachi or Jiriaya… But yeah, the trend is there.

  133. @Mart1
    Yeah your right, I’ll change it up and go out and say Itachi can pawn Madara, now the trend will be who can beat Madara. lol its only right.

  134. NOONE can kill madara so the manga should just end, the war is gonna be inevitable, Madara will own everyone since he’s the greateest ever, greater than the sage of the 6 path, Nagato, Minato, Jiraiya, but wait, if he’s so great, why not just take out all the strong shinobi, Kakashi, Naruto, Raikage, Killerbee, and everyone else want have a choice but to do what he says, cause who else could have a chance at Madara, but since he couldnt take on all the kages, im gonna assume sertain ppl on here is just over exaggerating Tobi’s power, and thats just my opinion.

  135. @star69 and mart1
    OMG LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The discussion I mean! It’s very engaging lols. Anyway it’s kind of like what I said before, it really comes down to each user. Madara certainly has advantages and so does Nagato.

    Not to mention that Nagato can summon creatures as well, and I remember reading somewhere that the vision of those creatures were also linked to Nagato as well. So in effect, it would be the 6 bodies and the creatures he could summon also.

    By the way the discussion went on, this battle would be a elongated goose chase. Madara would teleport in and out, and Nagato would wait for the perfect timing for just 1 touch.
    It might come down to a battle of persistence.

    Also, now I could be completely wrong about this or interpreted it wrongly, but when Madara used 2 teleports consecutively and re-appearance took a longer time than usual, that could be a drawback. Maybe if he uses teleports too often, materialisation takes longer.
    Of course I don’t know that or have any evidence to suggest so, because it could be argued that Madara simply waited to materialise. But then again, that wouldn’t make sense because to stay protected then, he could virtually just do step 1 – teleport in and then stay in. Which wouldn’t make it much of a teleport but more of a dimension that he can enter.

    Also the whole Nagato being more skilled than 6 sage. Hmm I don’t know. 6 sage would have to be pretty skilled to deal with the 10 tails. Also since Nagato said he paled in comparison to 6 sage, who knows maybe 6 sage’s Chibaku Tensei (or equivalent) was so nerfed that it literally had 360 degree radius with the power of a black hole lols.

    Obviously exaggerated but you get the point. Spamming something like that would be very powerful indeed, and creating a jutsu like that would also take immense skill I imagine.

    I don’t know much of the 6 sage’s history, but does it specifically say somewhere that he didn’t get any kind of formal training either? If it does then yeah Nagato could have been more skilled I suppose.

    Anyway omg just wanted to say I loved the conversation about this rinnegan vs sharingan / madara vs pein.

  136. @”Itachi can pawn Madara,” He tried and failed (by using Amatseru) and again, he can’t touch madara. Plus Madara knows all of his jutsu.

    @why madara doesn’t own everyone: because he seems to only have one jutsu. If people learn how to counter it he’s screwed. And if people besides him COPY it, it could have even worse effects on his plans, so he is playing it safe. However, even though it’s limited in a few ways, I still think one-on-one he is impossible to beat. (however Konoha doesn’t fight one on one)

  137. i can’t even read this blog anymore… don’t discussions like this belong on the Theory section of the forums? I can’t even have a discussion with people about the chapters anymore…

  138. @ripcord
    Yeah actually I see your point.
    Okay so to get the ball rolling I feel that Naruto is an idiot for wanting to sacrifice himself alongside Sasuke. It seems like Naruto does want to sacrifice himself alongside Sasuke because the way he says it just sounds like he’s saying “the battle is inevitable! So fine, if I have to kill you, you have to kill me too.”

    Yeah yeah, what kind of a hokage can’t save one friend.
    The question is, what kind of a hokage would be willing to sacrifice the lives of many innocent people for a former friend who has willingly made the decision to kill an entire village?
    If he had succeeded in killing Sakura, would that ridiculous third option still be viable in his mind?
    I certainly hope not because then Naruto is just as mad as Sasuke! What about other innocent and good people like Sakura that would be killed in the mean time until Naruto and Sasuke eventually have their final battle?
    Or even during the war as a result of prolonging Sasuke’s life.

    I’m sorry but I’m pretty sure a person needs to think about the safety of an entire village rather that just one person, even if that person was once a former friend. Yes it might sound horrible, but sometimes as a Hokage you have to put such intense personal feelings aside and think of the greater good of the entire village and not just 1 person.

    If I resided in a village, heard about how there was a maniac on a killing spree and wanted to take out the village, how he has been offered redemption countless times and refused, I would hope that the leader would be wise enough to not be willing to sacrifice me and my family, friends, etc in the hopes that he may save him eventually.
    Especially if the leader was as great as Naruto (would turn out to be) I would feel it was such a needless waste to die with that maniac.

    Its stupid this whole dieing alongside him rubbish. How does that in anyway help him accomplish hokage if he dies before hand anyway; and alongside someone who at this point really doesn’t deserve that friendship.

    I re-iterate, if Naruto fails to save Sasuke it’s not because Naruto didn’t try and it won’t be Naruto’s fault because Sasuke is the idiot here. I don’t see how Naruto became responsible for Sasuke’s life and I won’t blame Naruto if Sasuke doesn’t get saved. But I certainly would say him sacrificing himself is stupid.

    The village would be better of with Naruto living, rather than dieing alongside Sasuke.
    Naruto may feel guilty if he does decide to just defeat Sasuke, but the same with Jiraiya, you do the best you can do, and then whatever happens is not because you didn’t try hard enough, that person just brought themselves too far. Learn to accept and move on.

  139. I understand the bond he has with Sasuke but isnt it at the cost of everyone else? Garaa put it well by not pulling any punches when he told Naruto to make a decision! but naruto has not made a decision he has just kinda of gone back to the middle of things and said ill die with him! he either need to take him out and be the hokage or just give up his dream in my view! Sometimes you cant help people who dont want to be helped and its clear that Sasuke doesnt want to be helped as he has stated it many times! you can only do so much! unless wanna brain wash them and then thats only going against there will! but sasuke to get this strong in such a short space of time is a testament to how much passion he has on his views of things in the world. yes sasuke has been dealt a shitty card in life but it doesnt give him the right to kill everyone in Konoha for the crimes of what the leaders where doing in the shadows. if everyone in the village new about it and accepted the things they had done i could understand Sasuke could happily kill all the evil people but am sure allot of them wouldnt want what happened. but sometimes things are forced upon you and you have to act and not always in the best way you.

  140. Naruto has basically become a Nagato… He is dying for his cause. I think that he should have to LIVE for his cause, and just constantly neutralize Sasuke as the Morally good option. (strategic best he should just kill Sasuke AND live.)

  141. @rayban, Mattmaru, walmart1

    Actually this is what bothers me about a lot of stories similar to this one: the hero does a great thing but dies in the end, sacrificing himself, and I don’t get why can’t it be a full victory in the end where the hero lives?

    That being said, I don’t know that Naruto is saying that he wants to die along Sasuke. I feel like he’s saying (a little different, but very close) exactly the same thing Itachi was saying. Naruto is always going to step in Sasuke’s way (because he believes he is the only one who can) and that choice WILL result in Naruto’s death unless Sasuke chooses to not charge again.

    Perhaps the main reason Naruto believes he will die is because in his heart he will always be trying to save Sasuke. I think Naruto wants to offer Sasuke a chance at redemption, similar to Nagato’s. I think that’s why Nagato also chose death, he knew he could not be forgiven for the things he had done, but perhaps in death he could set things right. Naruto is trying to get Sasuke to see that redemption is possible before it is too late… I think Naruto has to succeed here. The entire manga has been building up to it, that Naruto can convince anyone to turn around. I don’t believe it yet… but hopefully Kishi makes the story believable.

  142. @ripcord i think the conversation was mostly meant as a last talk between friends and rivals. You can only talk to someone so much before it becomes meaningless and Naruto understands that. When I read this chapter, I didn’t take the whole “we’ll die together” part as a literal interpretation. It was a statement of his determination that he would go as far as death if sasuke continued down this path. Kind of a “I’m done trying to convince you…if you keep being an asshole I’m going to kick the shit out of you and not hold back until you wake the hell up…because I care.” haha

    basically…from now on Naruto isn’t going to be screaming “SASUKEEE!!” anymore and telling him to come home like a child. That’s another reason why I think this section of Naruto is over and we’ll be moving on to a part 3….because naruto finally grew up and decided on grown-up decisions. most great stories begin with a conflict, then go through a major change to set their resolve…and the final piece is going to be whether or not naruto has the fortitude and constitution to endure to the end of his decision.

  143. DAMNIT why’d my computer have to blow up last wednesday? i really like being early to chapter discussions 😥 . oh well, i won’t b nearly as late this weak 😀
    @ Suna, i liked your summary, not as good as Bob’s, but i still think u didn’t give yourself enuf credit

  144. I have a fun idea. Instead of debating this, how about we debate Tenten and Ino’s usefulness? *dodges tomatoes* Hey, its just an idea >_>

  145. “I have a fun idea. Instead of debating this, how about we debate Tenten and Ino’s usefulness? *dodges tomatoes* Hey, its just an idea >_>”- That just seems like another way of saying “Who do you think would win, Ino or Tenten (Answer: Pein!!!)” I think it’s time to ask Bob if I can unveil the next tournament since battles seem to be the best discusion topic, and these seem like some of the dullest chapters ever…

  146. Spoilers: Read at ur own risk, it contains very cool stuff
    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58805

  147. please don’t be an april fools joke… That would make me sad 😦

  148. Kinda early for the spoilers…

  149. @Mart, idk if its the Kisame-fan in me talking, but the spoilers actually seem convincing (plot-wise). Kishi DID say he had big plans for Kisame, and it would also explain why Black Zetsu has been missing-in-action since August. It all fits, I just hope it isnt bogus

  150. Hey all I was asking was who came 1st between the Hyuga clan and Uchiha clan through the Sage of 6 paths, I didn’t think it would lead to a debate of whose better. If the last battle is going to be between Naruto and Sasuke like Kishi said it would, than somebody had to beat Madara

    @Mart1: thanks for the insight, I’m kinda seeing your point of veiw, but hopefully the future chapters can give me a better overstanding of The sage of 6 Paths

  151. thanks for the spoilers kisuzachi, how do u get this stuff so quick? lol I thought these spoilers come out on tuesdays. 2 days left until the next chapter. Any predictions?

  152. sorry for the 3rd post but that seems like alot of plots in just one chapter, and if Zetsu really had that ability, than the Whole entire Akatsuki would be alive, Or maybe The black side and white side of Zetsu have different abilities, no wonder Zetsu is Madara’s right hand man

  153. i dunno if anyone noticed this, but tobi got his arm back [the one that he ripped off before his fight with danzo -right arm-]. and it looks like it had just grew it back…

  154. @ripcord
    The main reason why I feel Naruto is now running on wasted efforts is because it is too late for Sasuke’s redemption.

    By that I mean if Sasuke does come to the realisation of the things he’s done, by now its already too late for him. Even with Sasuke’s big turn around, I don’t believe the village will allow him to keep his life because of all the things he’s done.
    Much like Nagato finally realising and then choosing death because it was too late, this similar redemption is the only one I can see for Sasuke as well.

    It’s not like everyone will go “oh Sasuke’s changed back now has he? Great let’s forget everything that happened when he went evil.”
    So that’s why I believe either way, redemption or not Sasuke has brought himself to the point where its either death because he tried to destroy Konoha, or a more honourable death after realising what he’s done.
    Either way I don’t feel he should be alive at the end of all this.

    I also agree with you about how the hero HAS to die. I want it so that Naruto can live as well. It’s annoying that Naruto will always be trying to save Sasuke in his heart, because he could use his heart for other people, but he’s just completely put it all on Sasuke.

    Loyalty is one thing, obsession is another. If Naruto can’t save Sasuke, it’s not Naruto’s loyatly questioned. Although I do hope at least Sasuke can finally come to a realisation of how wrong he has been the whole time before he dies.
    But I don’t want it for his honourable death (although if it does go down like this, it will be for that reason), personally I want it so that it can be a huge slap in his face lol.
    Yeah I really don’t like Sasuke.

  155. based on spoiler kisame is alive I think killerbee is will become akatsuki because according to the interview brother or sister of hokage will become akatsuki maybe kisame controlled bee i hoped bee does’nt die or no one in lightning country…

  156. yo what happened to hinata they just ruled her out like she was nothing.

  157. I figured out why Sauske can keep fighting with out loosing his chakra…
    He´s like the energizer bunny, he keeps going and going andgoing

    😛

  158. *Spoiler Alert*
    Sakura’s kunai actually works, almost kills Naruto. LOL Naruto looks like he has rabbies. hahahaha!

  159. Killerbee’s brother is the Raikage not hokage I believe

  160. I have a few things to speculate upon:

    I would really REALLY like to believe that the whole Madara has Shisui’s other eye thing (thats why madara wanted it earlier from danzo) because i think what really brought the drama to this manga was that Sasuke, who had gone on this “i’m a badass” and dipped from the village to be trained in evil by Orochimaru, was always the one who ‘didn’t kill people’. He was the good guy who was working with bad people. When he was fighting the eight-tails and his life flashed before his eyes he saw Kakashi Naruto and Sakura. He stayed quiet and calm and had cool chakra. He had a motive but he wasn’t necessarily evil.
    Madara’s ass shows up on the block and all of a sudden he wants to kill everybody EVERYBODY. i’m sorry, but when WHEN in this WHOLE manga has Sasuke EVER not kept his cool. there might have been like Twice, but here and there. Now all of a sudden he’s mad at the world and his ‘eyes have no light in them’. I really liked this story because i thought Naruto was trying to rescue Sasuke, but it was more like a “i’m sorry, its too late” not really a “FUCK YOU I’LL KILL YOU” I always thought Sasuke, like his brother, worked with the bad guys but had secretly good motives. i really liked that, and i wanted to see the good growing in sasuke, but this has really just trashed my image of him, and half way ruined my image of this story. it used to be good(naruto) vs. obligation(sasuke) and now its just good vs. pure evil AGAIN. every sasuke fan has grown attached to him because they like how he’s calm but secretely good and hoped it would come out in him more. but now its just ruined, if this keeps up anyways.

    ALSO:
    Every MS user has a special power. Kakashi can do the space/time. Madara can teleport (among other things possibly) Shisui could control minds… but what can sasuke do? throw tantrums? The only power we have seen from him is what his brother gave him. on a side note, I have not seen any Amatarasu in a while. just “MORE SUSANO’O!!” like its cowbell. I want to know what Sasuke’s specific power is, if kishi hasn’t forgotten about that.

  161. @a. hizzo

    I really believe that the Amaterasu that Sasuke uses now is his own, NOT Itachi’s. The reason for this is because Sasuke has his own MS, it doesn’t look like Itachi’s anymore. It is true that Itachi helped awaken the MS in Sasuke, but the jutsu Sasuke has are most likely from his bloodline only, i.e. Sasuke’s sons and grandsons, etc. will all have Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, Susanoo.

    This would also mean that Obito’s children would have all had Kamui (Kakashi’s jutsu) and whatever his right eye power would be, unless Kamui is a result of Kakashi, a non-Uchiha, developing MS, but Sasuke recently seemed convinced it was the eye’s power itself, not due to anything Kakashi had done.

    Because Sasuke and Itachi share the same MS jutsu, but they are in opposite eyes, I believe that is why their eyes are exchangable. Therefore, Itachi never could have exchanged eyes with Obito or anyone from his bloodline because the MS jutsus do not match.

    One last thing: Shisui’s mind control power IS NOT an MS jutsu, it is a genjutsu cast with a normal sharingan. It is possible that Tobi has Shisui’s other eye, but you forget that Danzo’s eye and Tobi’s eye are both right eyes and from what we’ve seen, left and right sharingan (MS anyway) have different powers. We’ve already seen that Tobi is not Danzo, so that can’t be Shisui’s eye.

  162. @Ripcord
    why do the right eye on one person have to be on the right side on the other one? why not left?

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  165. 487 is out Kisame isnt dead go read it now!!!!

  166. Looking back I noticed a few things:

    1. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/06/ doesn’t that look like his fully formed Sussano?

    2. Madara is a master at manipulating: Just look back a few chapters ago: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/10/ (Naruto against fighting Sasuke, now: “We will die together”…

  167. i dunno something about this is still telling me tobi isn’t part of the Uchiha clan. as we learned anyone can get a sg. eye. and learn the MS without being in the bloodline or killing your best friend. and tobi hasn’t really shown that he knows a MS move at all but just shows he’s got an awesome ability to move threw time, or maybe not time at all and just some weird dimensional drift place. i duno its hard to tell. naruto’s dad did the same thing kind of in a way, just he had to make his end point with a tag, maybe tobi has something like that but he uses zetzu to make it seem like he’s able to move around like that. but i think honestly his only ability is to phase threw things, like before his fight with danzo.

  168. let’s get on with the story for god’s sake….

    is tsunade up yet? is kakashi taking over??? WTF???

  169. Naruto is basicaly doin the same thing Itachi did by being something that Saske can see and fight against in order to open his eyes to the true nature of the world.

    Sasuke is so FUCKIN stupid that he doesn’t realize that anger and hatred has cost him nearly everything that matters to him: he was angry at Itachi 4 killin their entire clan so he vowed to kill him to avenge them; he grew angry at Naruto because Itachi was giving Naruto a lot of his attention; he became angry at Naruto for out shining him in the field; he left the village and “severed” all of his ties to the village when he left to join Orochimaru’s organization to gain more power to defeat Itachi.

    The guy is too obsest with the past and only focuses on a short term future plan rather than the big picture which is: Itachi sacraficed everything to protect what he loved the most -Konaha and his little brother- so that he could stop Madara and monitor the Akatski from the inside; Shikamaru lead a retrieval squad to save Sasuke from Orochimaru so that he wouldn’t be used as a vesel by Orochimaru; Naruto is still insisting on fighting Sasuke himself so that he has people who do care about him without question.

    IDK Sasuke is a stupid little brat who thinks that the whole world revolves around him when there is a whole lot more important things happening that is a lot more dramatic and life changing than his inferiority complex regarding his brother’s abilities; Naruto’s infinite potential; and the mysteries of the Akatski. There are so much more interesting things about and Sasuke is mad because Itachi gave his life (literally) to protect Konaha’s secrets; the ironic thing is he blames the wrong ppl because he’s the one who kills Itachi and not Konaha. Sasuke is a person who always needs someone to blame to make himself feel better.

    Naruto has finally grown up and is enlightened by Jirya’s teachings. He realizes that the only way to stop Sasuke is to maybe kill him.

    If I were Naruto I would have killed Sasuke at the Valley of The End so that I could protect him from himself. I would have killed him to preserve the memory of Sasuke as a proud member of the Uchiha clan and my best friend. Now because of Naruto’s boyish dreams Sasuke has stained his soul and destroyed his ties to Konaha by declaring war on its inhabitants which means now he’ll be remembered as an enemy of Konaha and the five great nations rather than just a hero who was sacrefices for peace to prevail in the world.

    The Sasuke vs. Naruto battle is inevitable and shall happen only when they each learn even more powerhouse moves that can change the fate of the entire world of Naruto.

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