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Kenzentai!

As Madara stated in chapter 463, his ultimate goal is Kenzentai, the ultimate body. I wondered how he plans to achieve this and I now think he has a three step plan.

Step 1.: Plagiarism no Jutsu: sorry to the Uchiha fans, but most Uchiha are idiots. They suffer from the “Hidan Effect,” basically they are so naturally talented that they don’t work hard and do stupidly cocky things in battle because they can afford to get away with them. (okay maybe it’s just Sasuke…)

For example, Kakashi, Itachi and Sasuke, through access to the sharingan, have the ability to learn a ton of jutsu with absolutely no problem (and Kakashi supposedly has) but how many do they use in battle? Almost none.

Itachi relies solely on techniques unique to him, the sharingan, and the MS. Kakashi’s used a few, But his three go to moves in battle he invented himself. (Chidori, Dog Summoning, and Kamui) Sasuke has also copied several jutsu, Chidori, Snake Summoning, and Strong Fist Taijutsu to name a few. However, His best techniques he learned/invented himself. He did get Chidori from Kakashi, but then he invented several new variants of it on his own, again he gets Itachi’s MS techniques (though he did not voluntarily copy them) and invents new versions no one else can copy.

 This leads me to believe that the majority of the 1000 Jutsu that Kakashi supposedly knows are useless like the rope-escape jutsu or extremely situational like the Tile Shuriken Jutsu. These are the genius Uchiha, what about the non-geniuses??? Now I didn’t bad mouth the Uchiha for no reason, and they do have their merits (especially those smart enough to invent ninjutsu) BUT there is a better way, and I think Madara has found it. In battle, it’s possible to learn a lot of information about a Jutsu if you have a sharingan. You can pick up on a few essential things like Hand Signs, Chakra type (from hand signs), and weaknesses (through analysis) pretty quick.

But, it’s hard to learn the ins and outs, for example, a sharingan could tell you roughly how the Rasengan works, and roughly how to counter it, but to learn it, you need to know the steps and then practice them to use it. Other techniques may not have these specific problems, but you wouldn’t get all you need from a single encounter in battle, especially for more advanced techniques. But what if you copied you allies jutsu? You could watch them in battle through many battles over an extended time period.

 This is what I think Madara’s plan was. I think he either went to the Mist village with this intent, or developed it while there. I think while in the Mist Village, he used it’s resources to locate the strongest ninja with the most desirable jutsu. I think it’s no coincidence that most of the members of Akatsuki have some level of immortality. 

I think Madara selected them for this reason. I think he wanted to learn all of their jutsu and combine them in an unbeatable body. If you combined even a few of Akatsuki members, Hidan, Orochimaru, and Kakuzu for example, you would be unstoppable. You couldn’t die in battle, you couldn’t die from old age, disease ect. and, if you happened to find a useful Kekkai Genkai or came upon some other useful trait you could absorb that too, for instance with these abilities you could also absorb Pein, the Renningan, and his Chakra. Considering Hidan is the only one of these people with a kekkai genkai, and he can also be absorbed via the Orochimaru method, this isn’t all that far-fetched. Now imagine if you copied all of these jutsu, and then did what both Kakashi and Sasuke did, take them one step further to eliminate their flaws. That level of power is almost scary to consider… There are a few (two specific) problems with this theory though, which leads to steps 2. and three

Step 2.: Get a Chakra battery!

Madara has revealed one of his greatest weaknesses, he lacks a large supply of chakra, and if you consider the high level of chakra that people like Kakuzu and Orochimaru have, this would be a problem for imitating them because like the Rasengan, it once again comes down to something you can’t copy.

Now given Madara’s history with the Nine-Tailed Fox and the stated goal of Akatsuki, it’s pretty obvious what Madara’s solution to this was. I personally like the theory that Gedo Mazo will either 1. create an above-nine-tailed beast or 2. give controlled access to each of the Bijju that are synced with it. But even if it’s just a container for Bijju, removing a selected Bijju and then putting it into another himself would also solve Madara’s chakra problem. So while doing research for his Kenzentai, he has been sending the ninja he wished to copy out to collect the Bijju while having Zetsu monitor their battles for further study.

Step 3.: The Sage of Six Paths/Senjuchiha

Another problem that Madara has, is getting his hands on jutsu or Kekkai Genkai that are extinct. He can’t copy a jutsu if he doesn’t see it preformed and he can’t absorb someone if they are dead (at least not with Orochimaru’s jutsu, though he could have fixed this somehow…) 

 Of the extinct jutsu, I can think of three main things he would want, the powers of the Sage of Six Paths, the power of the Senju Clan/Younger brother (NOT Moukyuton, but the chakra levels that distinguish Hirashima’s abilities from Yammato’s) and lastly the Ultimate EMS (either the EMS created from Itachi and Sasuke’s eyes or that plus Madara and Izuna’s combined EMS). None of these are exactly easy to obtain, the Itachi-Sasuke EMS is probably the easiest, because of the jutsu Itachi used on Sasuke, then probably the Senju/Younger Brother abilities from Naruto.

All that Madara has to do is push the two against each other and then step in when they are their strongest and take what he wants, but the Sage’s powers? Some might say take them from Pein (though he’s dead so that option’s gone whether Madara planed to or not) But as Kakashi said, “The Renningan was just a mutation” how true this is, is debatable, but it wasn’t exactly on par with the Sage’s abilities, so how does Madara get it? The answer is actually already written above, he combines the Senju and the Uchiha once again to reform the Sage and finally obtains Kenzentai!

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23 Responses

  1. interesting thoughts. i have a few problems with it however(not major ones however) i don’t think it ever says that hidans ability is a kekkai genkai. it seems to be merely part of his religion. and also i always thought that madara had quite high chakra which is why he could stay alive for so long.

    i do like your idea that zetsu is watching battles to help madara learn abilities/jutsu secrets etc.

    in my opinion however i think madara merely wants sasukes eyes to become stronger so he can take them and gain rinnegan. as to getting a new senju body he could probably gain naruto’s because he has the power to control the 9 tailsso could easily manipulate it into allowing him inside.

  2. excellent post, you have strong points, well written and depicted, makes perfect sense, what im still questoning is the relationship between itachi and tobi/madara, how did itachi know his identity and master plan, implanted abilities in sauske and naruto to defy the sharringan, maybe im wrong but it feels like key component is missing, mart1 is on to something here

  3. itachi knew him because he stopped him destroying all of konoha in return for wiping out the uchiha didnt he?

  4. deep thinking! it can be the case, but i think does gaining rennigan may appear to be useless, if we consider the above thoughts, can’t we say sharingan holds the better grounds when it comes to ultimate power!

    he can’t be looking up for itachi eyes coz if this was the case he never would’ve asked sasuke to use it and should have used it a long ago for himself, do u think there’s a chance of getting a new power with multiple eye transplant! there can be a huge flaw in this theory of sharingan transplant.

  5. i still have a doubt as why does he stop naruto frm reaching sasuke at the frst place!
    if he really wanted to make them fight each other and then he also revealed his action and plans for sasuke???

    does he believed that sasuke and naruto holds the spirits of two sage brothers.
    the whole plot is too confusing every action of madara seems to be twisted and planned!
    at one end he let sasuke to play with his life and the other end he want sasuke for a big cause????

  6. its agreeable man!
    thats what i think also
    so he can rule the ninja world by himself by possessing all the bijuu…

  7. maybe madara wants to push the true power sasuke and naruto
    because madara can really get the nine tails anytime he wants
    i know madara has a great plan

  8. Where does the Hyuga Clan comne into ths? I think that it was said that the byakugan was a variation/mutation of the sharingan.

    Perhaps to create an ultimate dojutsu u combine the sharingan and byakugan 2 create the Rinnegan. Then the user could use gentle fist better because he could read the opponents movements and get thru their guard. Just a thought.

  9. I think that Madara Won’t be able to control the nine tail as there is naruto’s will and I think that naruto will gain control over the nine tail as Minato expected and will be able to counter Madara and I expect Madara has low chakra for jutsus used by other shinobis like orochimaru so he intends to use bijuu chakra for his own and to wipe out Konoha and I think naruto has a lot of techniques to learn and comparing him to sasuke now I think they are even because of naruto’s Rasen Shuriken And Sage Mode And I think that he will Surpass Suske By levels Because of 2 reasons
    1. Itachi has transferred some of his powers to naruto and I think that power can Stop sasuke’s Most intimidating attack Amaterasu and gengitsu so naruto will be able to Reform sasuke into line again
    2. naruto has a lot of resources to learn from plus his incredible Stubbornnes And most Importantly He has a lot of mates And that what really matters you are strong with your mates than without them and they are fighting for the same thing while sasuke and his team mates Don’t have the same relation

  10. clearly madara doesnt have low chakra. he’s lived for 100+ years, he could control the 9 tails. plus when the 9 tails spoke to sasuke he said that sasuke’s chakra was as ominous asmadara’s or something along those lines. and seemingly sasuke has a lot of chakra.

  11. well, i for 1 am glad that u didn’t add anything like “take Obito’s body” or “disguise himself as Danzo” to the mix
    Jet (Optimus) Prime: ending transmission

  12. “what im still questoning is the relationship between itachi”- I was saying something similar to P0A, why didn’t Itachi tell the Third about Madara?

    “if he really wanted to make them fight each” because he wants to awaken their power before hand so they fight at their best.

    “clearly madara doesnt have low chakra. he’s lived for 100+ years” ??? how does that relate, chakra doesn’t directly determine lifespan, it is the current available energy a ninja has. He also said he didn’t have large chakra as a descendant of the older brother. As ebisu said, Sasuke uses his chakra more effieciently, but Naruto has way more.

    “Where does the Hyuga Clan comne into ths?” The hyuga clan is useless, at most their side characters.

    And since JPUA requested it, I guess I can do:
    Madara takes the body of Shusuisu, Danzo, Obito and Minato and uses them as to make a mini-me Madara

  13. @Danny

    Chakra has no relation to the life span It is the energy which enables a shinobi to perform ninjutsu And Taijutsu plus ninjutsu and clearly naruto has more chackra than any one of his age and his Kage Bunshin is the evidence he makes a thousand Kage Bunshin But he needs only to learn control

  14. excellent conspiracy theory mart 8). Well someone already pointed out that Hidan’s immortality wasn’t a kekkei genkai, so I’ll move on to something else. Hidan + Kakuzu = Almost Invincible. Hidan’s #1 weakness was his body, it could be dismembered. Kakuzu’s weakness was his hearts, if they’re all destroyed, he’s dead. Now, if Hidan had Kakuzu’s Earth Grudge Fear jutsu, he could reattach his dismembered limbs at will, thereby eliminating his only weakness. Oro’s jutsu isnt really needed. Hidan’s jutsu grants immortality, Kakuzu’s jutsu grants a form of eternal youth. If Hidan had Kakuzu’s abilities and replaced his organs, just as Kakuzu did, he would be both immortal and have eternal youth. There is still one weakness though, Nagato. Nagato could pull your soul out, resulting in immediate death. All the jutsus in the world cant stop that. But since the Rinnegan is so rare, that little weakness is almost a non-factor 8).

  15. @ mart, i said that i was happy u didn’t add that stuff, i did not request it, two totally different things

  16. i am obviously aware that naruto has miles more chakra than madara. i just found a few quotes saying that even by his clan’s standards madara’s chakra is unusually high. he has been noted to have powerful chakra which he states is the reason for his stubborn refusal to die and also that he has even more sinister chakra than the fox. so i win.

  17. @Danny, I’m gonna beat mart to the punch and ask you “Where is this information? Could you post a link?”.

  18. its on the narutopedia website http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Madara_Uchiha
    not sure how accurate it actually is but most things seem to be spot on usually.

  19. @”Nagato could pull your soul out” that’s why Oro. is necessary, he has knowledge of those type of jutsu and possibly a counter, AND he can take the Renningan.

    @JPUA: It’s a joke…

    @Danny: He may have had extreamly strong chakra FOR his clan, but as I said compared to Naruto, Senju, Younger brother, they have little chakra. He also had Potent chakra but not large amounts, he used it to it’s best ability allowing him to match many stronger opponents who used it less efficiently.

  20. @kisu- the 3rd and the 4th could also use the death god jutsu to bind there souls inside the shinigami!

  21. once the sealing jutsu with the death god is performed then there is no way the souls can comeback from the belly of the Shinigami apparently as they are locked in constant battle! it is indeed met with a supreme sacrifice of your own life but if its for a jsut cause obviously its worth it!!

  22. @MattMaru, well we don’t know if Nagato could take their soul when its in the Shinigami, but I DO know that Nagato can summon the King of Hell and make him consume souls. But what’s the point of taking some1’s soul after they use the reaper? They’d die anyway…..

  23. Well i just mean to kill an enemy that would pose a threat to the world, if he was to die then the world would be a better place for the sacrifice of the persons life of course!

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