Naruto Chapter 454 – Real Heroes Let Girls Beat Them Up

naruto-retro1Post Author: Bob

Hello everyone, another week another chapter of Naruto! This week with chapter 454 we get to meet the rest of the Kages who haven’t been introduced yet. We already know about Gaara (Kazekage), Danzo (Hokage) and angry-muscles-dude (Raikage), and now we get to see Mizukage and Tsuchikage. I was kinda expecting them to be fearsome and powerful figures, but Kishi chose to present these guys as more comedic characters it seems. Tsuchikage turns out to be an old coot, I mean this guy should be in retirement; he broke his hip before even setting out from the village, LOL. By the looks of it, he’s probably older than the Third Hokage before he died. I wonder why he’s still the Tsuchikage, there must be more qualified shinobi in the village than him to take up the thrown. Or perhaps this image of him is hiding his true powers…? Nah.

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The Mizukage, as it turns out, is not Madara (unless Madara enjoys crossdressing) but is a hot chick. This raises the question why Kisame had called Madara the Mizukage in an earlier chapter. The only conclusion is that Madara was a former-Mizukage sometime in the past. Given his powers and age, it’s totally feasible. But anyways, the current Mizukage is young and beautiful; however, this kage has some serious personality problems, specifically regarding her age. I’m guessing she’s similar to Tsunade in that she’s older than her appearance and probably hasn’t married yet, hence her paranoia regarding words like ‘age’ or ‘late.’ Regardless, it’s nice to see more young faces as Kages, old farts like Danzo aren’t exactly fun to look at.

naruto454-3And it looks like every Kage will be bringing two bodyguards with them to the meeting. If this is so, then maybe security won’t be as tight as I initially thought. So maybe Sasuke has a shot at killing Danzo after all because none of the shinobi introduced so far seem to be exceptionally strong; though we’ll have to wait until they show off their techniques before speculating further. The Tsuchikage is bringing along a big guy named Akatsuchi and and a skinnier ninja named Kurotsuki who I’m hesitant to call a ‘he’ or a ’she.’ I really hate it when manga artists draw these androgynous type of characters :( The Mizukage’s bodyguards are a little more interesting. The eye-patch dude is named Ao, he seems pretty serious but isn’t off to a very good start with the Mizukage due to a misinterpretation of his words. He better be careful with what he says in the future. The young kid’s name is Chojiro, and believe it or not, he’s supposedly one of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. This boy is not exactly what we’re used to when we hear the Seven Swordsmen. We tend to think of tough and dangerous guys like Kisame and Zabuza, not some nerdy looking kid who has some self-confidence issues. But I guess there’s a reason why he’s been made one of the Swordsmen. I expect him to face off against Suigetsu when Sasuke attacks, so hopefully Chojiro’s battle ability is better than his personality. The two bodyguards the Raikage decides to bring are named Shi and Darui. They seem a lot less energetic than the Raikage is, but then again it’s tough for anyone to top the Raikage in that department. The final question is, who will Danzo bring to the meeting? He’s probably aware that Sasuke will be after him and is likely to attack him at the meeting. The boring answer is that he’ll just bring two generic ANBU to protect him, but what if he chose, say, Naruto and Sai. This would put Naruto in a serious dilemma because he won’t let himself kill Sasuke but as the Hokage’s appointed bodyguard it is also his duty to protect the Hokage at all cost, even if it is Danzo. This is all purely plot speculation at this point, but it’d be really interesting if it does happen.

naruto454-4Poor Naruto, finally when it seems that he has grown out of the “getting-constantly-beat-down-by-Sakura” phase, now he’s getting pummeled by a girl from another village. I feel bad for Naruto having to take punishment for all the crap Sasuke has been doing, but I can understand his thinking – this is the only action he can make at this point to try to prevent the cycle of revenge continuing. Sometimes, being powerful isn’t just about showing off and beating all the enemy; it’s easy to dish out the hurt but it takes a better man to be able to take it as well, especially when it’s done for a friend.

naruto454-5Lastly, old fart Danzo is carrying on his nefarious schemes as we speak. This guy is about the most selfish shinobi we’ve seen in a while, everything he orders seems only to benefit him. Because he fears Anko, who is tracking Kabuto, may find out the connection between him and Orochimaru, he’s ordering his ANBU to trail her and maybe assassinate her in the future. He also wants Kabuto captured, but seems more interested in using his knowledge of Orochimaru’s experiments to help him grow back his eye and arm. What a SOB, lets hope his reign as Hokage will be the shortest one in history.

110 Responses

  1. oh its been im the first here, gj bob -sama…as usual

    for me, its improbable that naruto will be one of the escort of danzou…but i do agree danzou is of the same nature of heart as that of madara…though they are different there is a possibility that these guys are accomplice and virtually related to each other

  2. Since you didn’t call it, FIRST!

  3. Dang, Nevermind

    GREAT POST

  4. I thought it was a great chapter and now looking back that kid who is one of the seven swordsman of the mists look kinda cool I mean I think he is stronger than he thinks. Maybe him and Suigetsu were rivals, but he looks even younger than Naruto more like a genin but I guess since he is one of them he has to be strong!

    I want to see Gaara kill someone, I miss seeing him fight! I hope Naruto does go to the meeting it would be interesting to see his reaction to Sasuke!

  5. great to see the rest of the kages. too bad Tsunade was stoned out cold, otherwise it’d be interesting to see two female kages there.. and boy, like Tsunade, the Mizukage looked strong; both in strength and personality :P

  6. Man, I’m getting the hot’s for Kumoi just watching her pounding naruto to a pulp. She does look pretty in her own ways don’t you think.
    Oh and the Mizukage is an interesting one she is hot. But how did she out performed Madara?

  7. I don’t think Danzo likes to be accompany by kids at least not annoying, loud, mouth one like Naruto. So no, he probably will not ask Naruto to escort him to the meeting. Sai has to keep an eye out for Naruto so he’s not going as well. I’m pretty sure Danzo’s got strong goons to protect him in his Root’s organization. But if Naruto did end up going after all it’ll be a real shocker.

  8. Bob-sama, if you had posted that poll last week, there’s no doubt I would have voted Mizukage, but after seeing her, I’m gonna have to go with Raikage. The only thing that’s even mildly interesting about the Mizukage and her bodyguards now is seeing what this new Swordsman’s sword can do. In fact, I think even Raiga was a better Swordsman of the Mist than him.

    It said in the anime that the first Tsuchikage was a bug-user (bee-user to be more precise), so that means it must be this old guy that was at war with Konoha while Minato was alive. The reason is he looks about as old as the 3rd, and since he appears as old as the third, there’s no way the Village would pick him as a recent Tsuchikage, because of his age, so he must have been the Tsuchikage before. Perhaps he gave the spot to someone younger, but had to take it back because of premature death (like the Third and Minato). So if my theory is correct, that would make him one of Konoha’s opponents at the summit

    PS. I hope Sasugay kills the Mizukage first. If he does I will stop calling him Sasugay. JUST KILL THE DAMN MIZUKAGE!!!!!!

  9. I think Danzo will make Kakashi one of his body guards. Right now Konoha is in a very weak state, so how could the new Hokage show that Konoha is still the most powerful? Simple, bring one of Konoha’s most famous ninja, The Copy Ninja, Kakashi Hatake. Bringing Kakashi would have some psychological advantages; 1. He was the one that killed Zabuza (I think Zabuza’s stronger than this new kid), this would make the Mizukage and her bodyguards acknowledge Konoha’s power. 2. Kakashi was trained by the man that wiped out an army of Iwagakure ninja in seconds, Minato Namikaze. The Tsuchikage will have to acknowledge Konoha’s power because not only is Kakashi famous, but his teacher was the Fourth Hokage. Those are the reasons why I think Danzo will bring Kakashi with him.

  10. Great analysis Bob.
    its been awhile seen im leaving a comment, been out of town.
    This chapter was quite interesting, lol Tsuchikage seems a funny guy, but he seems pretty strong, and wow mizukage damn she is hot, i hope she is can fight, coz kishi always make females weak.
    @Kisu. I dont think Danzo will take either Kakashi or Naruto, because he noes Kakashi is strong and smart, and he is his hokage position rival, and who wants to think his oponnent in a meeting where they could show a greater knowledge or opinion than himself.
    And he wont pick Naruto because he already know Naruto is hot-headed ninja, who follows his emotions, and wont protect Danzo from Sasuke.

  11. great post bob as usual
    @kisu: dude enough with the fillers already. raiga and the first tsuchikage are mentioned only in the fillers. a lot of stuff appear in the fillers but have nothing to do with the the real story.

  12. kisu, sexist much?

  13. does no1 find it strange that we cant see the mizukages or her bodygaurds right eye. i think the bodygaurd may be tobi and he is working as mizukage behind the scenes like he was with akatski and is covering his sharingan with the patch.

  14. @ kisuzachi, I agree with u that albeit in the filler, the tsuchikage is the bug user. It would make sense because even if he is old and crusty, using bugs doesn’t need a whole lot of mobility, so his strength may still be unparalled! Additionally, the 3rd was old and crusty but he could still dish out some major pwnage!

  15. has anyone realised that the tall dude with the mizukage has his right eye blacked out. Tobi has his sharingan in his right eye, is it just coincidence or is it something more?

  16. i think the Raikage’s the toughest (the others r: Danzo and Tsuchi(2 old farts), Mizu(hot, but probabbly not as strong as the others), and Gaara(lightning does well against sand, and i can’t shake the feeling Killerbro has the same element as KillerBee).
    @ “the top row of letters on the keyboard”: i doubt the last, super-duper uber villian has the same pass-time as Naruto (transforming into large-breasted girls just 4 kicks)

  17. oh wait, u r talking about the guy who’s w/ the mizukage. lol, i thought u were talking about how the actual mizu had her right eye covered

  18. great post Bob.

    someone can rival Raikage in energy department. I can name two, can guess them??? well, just a hint, both of them wears green suits. :-)

    by the way, Raikage seems to be a fan of WWE!!! he is wearing a championship belt :-P

    @kisu: don’t be so down. who knows, may be the new swordsman is better than Zabuza, he is one of the 7 afterall. and about the Mizukage, I felt that she is the most dangerous out of the Kages other than Danzo.

  19. @Bob, 4 the person whose gender confuses u, i’m pretty sure it’s a girl cuz not even Haku had leg stockings, then agian, Patrick Star from “Spongebob” once had them also. okay i won’t talk about sexual identity 4 a while. what really confuses me about that person is that his/her eyes look just like the Byakugan. Bob, i’d like your profesional opinion (maybe Hiashi pissed Iwa off also and had to give them his wife and that person is Hinata’s mom!, or he exchanged his bro’s wife instead of his own and it’s Neji’s mom!)

  20. Danzou=Obito dosent anyone else se the conection

  21. Didn’t we go through this whole “Danzou = Obito” shindig? And wasn’t it proven wrong? I don’t know, just asking.

  22. @Zep and deiboom, it wasn’t technically proven wrong, it’s just that there’s no proof 4 it to b like that, and deiboom, no u r not the only tard who saw that non-exsistant connection

  23. dont forget, killer bee said that his brother was the only person alive to rival him in his beast state, and if the tailed beasts’ strength are judged by their tails than killer bee is the second strongest besides naruto. so that would make the raikage the strongest of all the kages

  24. @ cfho83, good reasoning and i do think i read the 8-tail’s 2nd to the 9-tail, but i also think i read that it doesn’t just perfectly goes down the line like that and that there may b some that r stronger than ones w/ more tails than them. but u r right, that probably makes him even stronger than Naruto’s beast-state!!! (Minato said that he only sealed HALF the Kyubi in Naruto, making it half as strong as it would b otherwise) (Naruto would win if he’s in Sage Mode tho)

  25. I also agree that I don’t think he will take Kakashi, it would be cool but he doesn’t want Kakashi to know too much and I think he is going there to announce his the new era of Konoha and Kakashi thinks he is going a to far he knows Kakashi will take action and I really don’t think he’ll take Naruto because look how outspoken Naruto is, if he hears something he doesn’t like he is going to say somethink even to the Kages.

    It also looks like Danzo isn’t Madara after all even though it would have been cool!

  26. I also think everyone is misunderstanding what Jiraiya said, Minato didn’t seasl half of the Kyuubi in Naruto he seasled the whole thing.

    He sealed away the Dark half in Naruto which Naruto only can use if the seal break and he goes nine-tails.

    He also sealed the light half in him but this chakra he infused it with naruto’s chakra so he can use at will which he has been doing so please stop saying only half the Kyuubi is in Naruto because it isn’t true!

  27. This chapter had my guts splittling from laughing so much. Each kage has faults or touchy about certain things. This chapter gave some good comic relief.
    Now onto Anko/Kabuto/Danzo thing. I think Danzo wants Anko out of the picture because of her knowledge of Orochi’ expieriements, plus she prob kill Kabuto. It is obvious Danzo wants Kabuto for his medical knowledge so that he can be healed. Anko wants him for cause he is an enemy of the state. When Anko finds him, the anbu will intercept her and knock her out. Once that is done capture Kabuto and secretly take him back to Danzo’s hideout. Anko will be given a genjutsu thinking something else happened and or left to die

  28. great chapter its a treat to see the kages we havnt seen, now we just need to see the rest of the tailed beasts, alright so that kid is one of the seven swordsman huh, makes sense the pirahna like teeth and the camoflouge with that shirt kinda looks like what zabuza wore, maybe its a trait of the swordsman, carrying two swords and i might be wrong but it seems like hes carrying more on his back, im curious what he can do, poor naruto what a guy to offer himself like that, i wonder what connection oro and danzou have, a devious one i bet, its going to be “BATTLE FEILD KONOHA!’ all over again

  29. @ yellowfalsh, okay, sorry, thnx 4 clearing up the Kyubi thing (i could’ve sworn it was said in the manga tho). but i disagree w/ u on “it would b cool if Danzo=Mandara” no it wouldn’t, it would b LMAO and retarded

  30. @ profess, 4-tail’s a monkey, 5-tail is Kishi’s attempt at a horse-dolphin cross-breed, 6-tail is a slug and 7-tail is a beetle. there was also a 0-tail leech from Shippuden movie 2 that’s classified as a bijuu even tho it doesn’t have a tail. here is where i found this: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Tailed_beasts

  31. u can look them all up seperatly to find pics

  32. There’s not a lot to say about this chapter. Seems Naruto is already trying to spread his “no revenge” ideals, starting with these cloud ninja. But I do wonder what this little sercet between Danzo and Orochimaru involved, most likely it involved Orochimaru’s attack on the village. Plus it looks like he’s trying to regain his lost eye and arm. Damn, this guy is sick-minded!

  33. @yellowflash2: your explanation is very well given. I too thought that Minato sealed half of Kyubi’s power in Naruto. So, thank you for making it clear. :-)

    by the way, about 8 & 9 tail; beasts, Kyubi is certainly much stronger than Hachibi. even I think 6 to 8 tail Kyubi will be stronger than Hachibi. But as a Jinchurkki, KillerBee is stronger, because he has full control over his beast which is not true for Naruto. But things will change and eventually Naruto will learn to control Kyubi because it’s a power Minato wanted Naruto to use.

  34. haha, i too think Danzo may choose Naruto as one of his escorts. possibly to stir things up but i think Naruto definitely meets some of the qualifications.=]

  35. sorry, gotta disagree with the title….

    she’s NOT a girl, she’s a SHINOBI (ie. trained soldier) and thus no different from a man, showing compassion is meaningless… she’d be a girl/woman if she wasn’t a fighter.

    i’d say a real hero is he/she who absorbes his/her opponent’s anger if he/she’s responsible for it….

  36. 9tail337 , are u a masochist? lol, jokes….

    long time no see bob, i just noticed you’re the one posting…

    i’m pretty positive naruto won’t be accompanying danzo to the meating, nor any pro-naruto (pro-third hokage) shinobi… this is is already suspicious enough to them, and he NEEDS to keep in touch with his men anyway, so them being their is just a pain to him…

    i believe sasuke will be a key player in unveiling that old fart’s plans, don’t forget, sasuke only “says” that he abandoned his friends, but we wont be too sure until some things are cleared out a bit more… don’t forget that itachi’s last card is in fact naruto, and since i can’t help but believe that itachi forsaw this, i believe we are about to see some interesting stuff…

  37. @haruto you make an interesting point, one I never took notice of until now. I think however if it was him there would be no need to cover his right eye cause if he’s done a transformation jutsu there would be no need for it to be covered up.

  38. @ jet prime

    thanks i need to see those pictures i always thought there was one whos image hasnt been released yet

  39. @ profess, you’re welcome. they r pretty cool pics and it sucks that it took so long 4 them to b released. but what i don’t get is y the heck he chose the animals he did? some of them certainly r wierd (6-tailed slug?)
    @ lilmoe, hey we agree on something: Sasuke only said he’s betrayed his friends, but when he and Naruto last met in the manga, he didn’t have the heart to finish him and when he was fighting KB(Toys*) he saw a pic of him w/ Team 7 (in his mind, as in not a real photo that somhow got to Kumo) and got teary-eyed
    * i’m making fun of KB by relating him to the toy store

  40. @Yellowflash2

    Actually there was only half the chakra sealed inside naruto.

    Chapter 370 Page 12:
    “Minato only sealed the nine-tails Yin Chakra using the Shiki Fuujiin”
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/

    Chapter 370 Page 13:
    “The very reason Minato went to the trouble of splitting the nine-tails chakra into two, only sealing the Yang Chakra into Naruto, was so that he could leave it for Naruto”
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

    Proves that there is only half the chakra inside Naruto, the other half is residing in some other seal (I believe its the key frog from chapter 370).

    According to wikipedia:
    Yin is female, calm, receptive. Peace and tranquility.
    Yang is male, aggressive, dominating. Chaotic and agressive.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

    This tells us that Naruto only has the aggressive side of the nine-tails chakra sealed inside himself. The peaceful (controlling) side is sealed elsewhere. If he were able to master the Yang, and then combine the Yin with it, his power would increase phenomenally.

  41. Awesome Bob. Anyway, Guys The Kakashi Chronicles is going to be made into an anime, and premeres August 6th, one day after my birthday.

  42. Kakashi Gaiden IS important!!! Suck it all you Tobi/Obito haters (just kidding)

    Thanks JPUA for the pic.s I don’t pay attention to a lot of the things outside the Manga/Anime that have to do with Naruto unless someone does an info post on them.

  43. Good Post: I enjoyed this manga, even though it was basically just introductions,
    the old man seems like a waste to me how is he gonna keep battle if cannot even carry his own luggage. The Girl Kage seems strong, she must be if she is has taken control after Mandra… The Bodygaurds look pretty usless, to be honest, but the one being a swordsman of the mist would mean we shouldn’t underestimate them, A few good sword fights coming up I think. If Naruto helps the thunder find KillerB, Kisame and Suigetsu…

    Danzo’s Bodyguards. I think he is gonna use a team, I would say he uses Team Gai, with Neji (Jonin/leader) Lee (to counter the thunders enthusiasm) plus Ten Ten… They the most balanced squad in the Manga with Taijutsu, Dojutsu, plus Tool Specialists (only medical ninjutsu missing but I would guess Ten Ten does that)

    If Danzo uses Naruto and Sai/Kakashi it would be to test their loyalty and if Naruto will be stuck since he will have to protect Danzo if he does he looses Sasuke (maybe) but if he try’s to protect Sasuke he can be seen as a traitor and loose all the credit he got from his battle with Pein, thus letting Danzo cement his place as Hokage. Especially if it is both Naruto and Kakashi, he is his biggest rival for the position…

  44. funny chapter.

  45. @peinavenue-

    there is not a chance in hell that Saskue can beat naruto

    he doesnt have the curse seal to leech of anymore, and no orochimaru to save him either

    Saskue can barely control his MS, using it ONCE completly exhaustes him, you have to remember, he no longer has the CURSE SEAL, which means, no enhanced strength or speed, no extra chakra, so that = screwed

    im just babling here, cause im annoyed

  46. The series is towards the end, but because there is so much that we don’t know, like what did Itachi do to Naruto,Danzou’s plans, and more about Tobi, it feels like the series just began lol.

  47. @smartass: thats why the villans have henchmen… he still has jugo and Karin to leech off of.

  48. actaully (smartass). sauke is one of the only people who trained his ass off to get were he’s at today.don’t forget that naruto has a nine tail fox in him that seems to save his ass each time he is about to loose a fight .plusnaruto still dont got hand 2 hand combat like sasuke. maybe u should look back at the last big fight they had . sasuke beat naruto even when he had his nine tail fox form activated(Not the real fox .just the one when he got red chakra) .an sasuke wasn’t using his curse mark he was using his shaningon.so what im trying 2 say is that naruto would of never got where he was at if it was never 4 that fox

  49. Nice Site! Very professional looking. Thanks!

  50. @ cute linda, “very professional looking”, u obviously haven’t been reading the comments we usually make, lol, just like in anime, wisecracks (some good, some crappy) r always going around, and as u can tell by my typing, we don’t care much 4 grammer (its easier to spell the 4 lttr word “t-h-n-x” than the 6 lttr word “t-h-a-n-k-s” and we hardly ever capitalize unless it’s som1’s name, and even that’s rare)

  51. @john-

    atcualy saskue had to use his Curse mark the entire fight against naruto, it wasnt until that naruto got really pisssed off at saskue, that he started using the fox, and naruto is uncouciously always suppressing the foxes power..meaning he’s always using some part of his chakra, problaby not a huge amount, but not so small that its unoticable.

    and naruto has hardly ever used his fox powers, in fact the only reason he has ever used the fox, is when he gets pissed off and accidently uses it…its not a concious effort, unlike Saskue who had to go to Curse seal level two just to deal with just a powered up naruto, not even in the 1tail state….of course naruto did eventualy go 1tail……my point is naruto doesnt use the fox unless he loses control of his temper, his emotions are like the ocean, uncontrolable, unpredictable, and powerful…..saskue has to leech off everything…and i never said he DIDNT work for anything, i just said that he leeches off others

    @mart1- LOL, thats right…i forgot about that, but isnt jugo like weak and small after saving saskue? but your right he still has karin (lucky bastard)

  52. @mart1: LOL, :-) Sasuke literally had to leech from Jugo and Karin, didn’t he?

    @John94: for the fight at valley of the end, in recent chapters Naruto stated that he wants to fight Sasuke for real this time which means he was holding back in previous fight. :-) and for your kind information, Sasuke was using cursed seal level 2 at that fight. :-)

    and you’re right about Naruto being gifted by Kyubi’s power (which he doesn’t want to use).

    but you forgot to mention the powers Sasuke is gifted with. I’ll do that for you: Sharingan, Cursed Seal 1, Cursed Seal 2, Orochimaru’s abilities, Itachi’s Mangekyo along with Amaterasu.

    so i think Sasuke has more things than Naruto that he got without training. :-)

  53. naruto doent want to use kyubi power coz he cant control it …if 4 tails onwards.. he totaly loss control… he cant differentiate friends or enemies..

    sasuke can handle the power given to him…. he can use the gifted power whenever he want it .. nothing wrong wif that… ..

  54. @ smartass, Sasuke didn’t go CS2 until after Naruto went NT1, the way the fight went out was: Sasuke pwns Naruto w/out help, Sasuke pwns Naruto w/ Sharingan, Naruto pwns Sasuke w/ 0-tail Kyubi, Sasuke pwns Naruto w/ CS1, Naruto pwns Sasuke w/ 1-tail Kyubi, Sasuke outlasts Naruto w/ CS2, that is the exact order of events, so i gues u could say it was unfair since Sasuke had the Sharingan which gave him an advantage from early on, but that’s Sasuke’s own power and the Kyuubi was given to Naruto by Minato, thus (according to Yammato @ least) is not his own power

  55. I think their both leeches…

    Naruto relies on the Kyubbi more than Sasuke relies on any one of his gifted powers but if you take all of his gifts into account then he uses them about equally.

    That said, I think Senjutsu is the tipping point in this debate, they both learned a few techniques that weren’t just gifts (Kirin and Wind release rasengan) but they were about equal, until Sasuke learned MS which was COMPLEATLY a gift from itachi (I think itachi is going to be an indian giver though and take it back with the crow he gave Naruto) Senjutsu is somewhat of a gift but only because the Kyubbi chakra’s boost gives him enough chakra to learn/use it.

    As for their various fights, I don’t think either of them will ligitamately win a fight until the end of the series, whenever one surpasses the other they go crazy with training and once again upset the balance.

    Also, like I said above, Sasuke’s team is mostly for him to leech off of while the only support Naruto’s team can give him is Yammato’s power to control the beast (partially)

  56. @mart1:

    “Naruto relies on the Kyubbi more than Sasuke relies on any one of his gifted powers ”

    I can give some points that will prove that there is no fight in which Sasuke didn’t use his gifted power (i’ll take Sharingan as gifted). If you think otherwise and can mention, then give the link to that chapter. on the other hand, i can show some (at least two and if you take six bodies of Pain separately, then there will be 5 or 6 more) fights in which Naruto didn’t use kyubi’s chakra.

    “Senjutsu is somewhat of a gift but only because the Kyubbi chakra’s boost gives him enough chakra to learn/use it.”

    really!! can we not give the credit to Naruto for being able to learn sage mode? in manga it was shown that many had tried, Jiraiya got it but was incomplete and others failed, yet Naruto achieved it and you are calling it a gift!!!!!!!!!

    and about Kyubi’s chakra boost making Naruto learn Sage mode, well, even without Kyubi, Naruto has most chakra in this series. so to learn sage mode he doesn’t need kyubi’s chakra. but if you have evidance from manga, then i’ll take it, otherwise your assumptions won’t be enough.

    (and, for the note, Yamato’s power cannot give Naruto control over Kyubi’s chakra.)

  57. @ darkprincebaka, the Sharingan wasn’t a “gift” unless u count the MS, but he got the Sharingan itself, by himself. Sasuke had 2 gifts: Curse Seal, which he no longer has, and MS, which only came from somthing he got naturally, Naruto also has Kyubi in him, which gives him rediculous chakra reserves, incredibly fast healing and the power to move @ Rock Lee speeds and hit w/ Tsunade strength, and that’s only 0-Tail! Sasuke’s “gifts” r much more of a burden, the MS depleting his chakra @ rediculous rates and weakening his eyesight, and his CS causing excrutiating pain and loss of self, Naruto only experiences those @ 4-Tail and higher states, so don’t talk trash about Sasuke, his whole life has been worse than anything Naruto ever faced and the fact that he (Sasuke) even has enuf self confidence after all that he’s been thru to just keep himself alive is a greater feat of will-power than Naruto facing Pein!

  58. @darkprince: I don’t see the sharingan as a gift in that it’s his, he didn’t “Leech it” off anyone as we were talking about above, however, he has won a fight without it here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/9/18/

    As for Naruto and Senjutsu:
    1. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/011/
    2. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/

    It helps him learn and use Senjutsu because of the vast chakra it gives him. that said, he did learn it on his own, but he had help, that is my point…

    Yammato’s ability does control the beast to an extent by surpressing it, I did say it was only partial control, he isn’t like KB’s control.

    As for Naruto fighting without the nine-tailed fox, there are only two/three/four examples 1. Kiba 2. those Rain ninja 3. Zabuza the first time, but he only freed Kakashi and he had Sasuke’s help, it wasn’t only his battle. 4. against Kabuto, but Tsunade stepped in after he lost, and even then the fox chakra brought him back with the necklace… Any I missed?

  59. @JPUA: “loss of self, Naruto only experiences those @ 4-Tail and higher states”-he loses COMPLEAT control at 4-tails but during the Valley of the End fight Sasuke states that the 0-1 tailed kyubbi power is similar in damaging effect to the CS (level 2 at the time) and further tails only make this worse, Yammato also said that it shortens his lifespan (similarily to Tsunade’s rebirth jutsu, it heals at rapid rates [and kills those same cells] but the number of cells he has remains constant)

    As far as their pains, Naruto’s had his fair share of pain… he was an orphan and an outcast for most of his life while Sasuke was everyone’s favorite, he didn’t have his family killed in front of him, but his life hasn’t been a walk in the park either…

  60. @mart1: about the fight in which Sasuke didn’t use Sharingan or other gifts, well i forgot about that one. looks like you had go through very starting of the series to find a fight.

    and the next links, one showed that Naruto has enormous amount of chakra which defends my previous post and the other link shows that Naruto recovers quickly for the fox. very well, i have seen them both, but they didn’t look like related to your claim. you have to do better than that.

  61. oh, my bad. i should have said it earlier. the second link also shows that using senjutsu heals the user, Naruto having the fox just makes it faster. so the fox isn’t that kind of help in learning sage mode. Naruto had to achieve it through hard work as shown here

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/011/

    and don’t say that the fox is the reason for large chakra amount. the fox is a extra source for Naruto, however as Kakshi stated (i forgot the chapter), if Naruto didn’t have to surpass the foxe’s chakra, then Naruto would have even larger chakra reserve. (larger than the amount Naruto has as his OWN)

  62. for the Sasuke sharingan thing, hey it’s there… but like I said, how is the Sharingan a gift? he had to activate it and learn to use it like any other jutsu, it’s not like his dad was like here son :special jutsu: now you can use the sharingan perfectly.

    (the first link said that he needed great chakra to use senjutsu) his great chakra comes from being a host…Jariya explained that during his first training, thats why Naruto can use Kage level jutsu like summonings and such as well as when Kakashi explained how he couldn’t use Multi-shadow clone jutsu on Naruto’s level during wind chakra training…

    (the second link says the fox chakra helped him heal faster) His healing ability means 1. his chakra comes back faster, he can train his ass off without consequence (also shown during rasengan training) so he will learn much faster 2. he can take a beating from the sticks and still be fine. (this was the help in learning it not in using it that I mentioned above)

    Some other things to notice are that when Naruto came out of 8-tails mode he was fully in senjutsu mode after having exhausted his clones and in the picture below Sage mode was augmented by the Kyubbi chakra
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/

    A counter point to this could be that the Kyubbi also hindered his learning by forcing him to not use Fusaku to gather chakra, but 1. he was still able to use senjutsu 2. it took him all of five seconds to figure out how to get around this, and I think it’s better because Fusaku can now act independantly of Naruto and vise-versa

  63. on Naruto’s chakra supply 1. Kakashi’s chakra reserves are pretty small because of his sharingan and 2. While Naruto’s chakra supply is large by ninja standards, it’s nothing too special without the Fox, he was about equal to Kiba without it in the chunin exams.

  64. @mart1-actually thats wrong, fukasaku said that narutos NATURAL chakra is enourmous by itself

    the fox chakra does not effect naruto unless he loses control

    naruto’s has alway been a massive amount by itself

  65. @mart1-

    naruto isnt a leecher, he doesnt rely on the kyubbi for every fight that he gets into

    the fox does NOT effect naruto’s charka amount UNLESS naruto allows it to bolslter his own.

    just like saskue’s curse mark, the curse mark does NOT effect Saskue until saskue ACTIVATES IT, just like the kyuubi, until naruto ACTIVATES THE FOX the chakra and his own do not mingle

  66. except for the healing part, im not sure how that works, but it only heals injuries, it doesnt heal his exhaustion, or his chakra supply

  67. and besides the fox has to be constantly suppressed at all times by narutos chakra, it was said somewhere in the manga…i dont remember where, and im too lazy to look for it, but im sure someone said this..jirayia, kakashi maybe…etc.

  68. @”naruto isnt a leecher, he doesnt rely on the kyubbi”: in part 1 he used it against Haku, Orochimaru, Neji, and Gaara as well as against Sasuke. in part 2: against Deidra, Oro. Sasuke, and Pein. the only Major fights he didn’t use it in were Kiba and Kakuzu…

    As for Naruto’s fox chakra: it is nothing like the CS in activation, it heals him (by adding to his chakra) wheather he wants it or not, look at his fight with Kiba or his training to learn the Rasengan, the Kyubbi chakra acts independantly of his will. It is only when he LOSES control of the chakra that it comes out.

  69. “except for the healing part, im not sure how that works, but it only heals injuries, it doesnt heal his exhaustion, or his chakra supply”-it does heal his exahustion, just look at what shizune said during his training, she thought he would take weeks to wake up and he did it in hours…

  70. @ smartass, the reason Naruto has such a large chakra amount is cuz when he was infused w/ the Kyuubi, his chakra increased dramatically, the Kyuubi is y his natural chakra is so large

  71. @JPUA-

    no, that is incorrect, like i said i dont remember where i heard it but fukasaku, or jirayia said that naruto is always suppressing the foxes chakra, and fukasaku said that a ninja’s chakra has to be naturally large in order to learn Senjutsu, the foxes chakra is always locked away….now i will admit that even thought the fox is locked away it does affect naruto in some ways, such as healing injurries, and maybe his exhaustion…..but other than that, the fox and naruto’s powers dont MIX or MINGLE at ALL unless naruto conciously try’s to use the power of the fox, remember during the chunnin exams?? when naruto was trying to walk on water, jirayia did that five prong seal thing, and showed naruto how to use the fox….meaning he cant use the power, without actually trying to, the fox isnt the reason he has a large amount of chakra, its just HIS power…..why will no one accept that fact??

    @mart1-ok his exahustion could be cured slightly…:) lol but not by much.

  72. I gotta disagree Konohamarus teacher, Kakashi, Jiriaya n the 3rd said that the Nine Tailes chakra is so huge for such a small container (Naruto) that the spiral like shape on Narutos stomach fuses it to Narutos chakra (But im guessing as Naruto gets older so does his OWN chakra and the amoun that can be stored in his body, since the spiral like shape no longer needs to fuse it, Naruto has to physical ask 4 the chakra)

  73. the five pronged seal release just returned Naruto to the natural state he was in before Orochimaru used the five pronged seal on him during the Chunin exams. As for Him surpressing the fox, yes most of the time he does, otherwise he would be like Gaara, insane from the foxes influence, HOWEVER, he does not need to ask or grant the Fox permision to get chakra, LONG before he knew how to summon the nine-tailed foxes chakra he was using it (against Zabuza and that very first chunin that had him steal the scroll) ALSO, Naruto has used the foxes chakra on several occacions while he didn’t “Consciously” or even willingly use the foxes chakra such as against Oro. and Pein.

  74. hey mart1,

    for the argument that sealing the kyuubi to naruto is a gift for him, I beg to disagree… maybe if you are really watching the anime, you will say that even at the start, naruto’s life misery is because of this kyuubi inside him… it can be an attitude, naruto has, that such a seemingly curse to turn it to power

    for me this is not a gift, not until naruto came to realize the essence and significance of it to him, not until he accept it as a part of his entity.

    I believe everything they have, everything we have is a present, a gift. our life is but a greatest gift…

    naruto is really a strong shinobi, because he actualize the gift he has…

    so even if naruto use the kyuubi chakra, whats wrong? its part of him…

    when sasuke show off his powers, too bad for him, because his heart filled by vengeange, which he forgot to appreciate it…and has not even realize he has a lot of gifts than naruto to cherish…

  75. I’m not talking about whether or not the Kyubbi is a gift or a curse for Naruto, I’m simply saying he’s relying on someone else’s power instead of his own just like Sasuke is in the curse seal and MS.

  76. Actually, im inclined to say that naturally Naruto has an enormous chakra reserve that is untainted by the fox’s (he can access the fox’s to bolster this, which was how he summoned gamabunta etc).

    Case in point is Sage Mode.
    Equal parts of Physical, Spiritual and Natural energy.
    If any of those are out of balance it will either have no effect, or turn him into a toad statue.
    Kyuubi chakra would disturb the balance unless he controls all 4 types of chakra to get the right ratio (equal quarters). The only time he managed to do this was when he flared his powers at Nagato.

    Granted, he can combine the fox’s chakra with his, however normally his own is pure, and restrains the fox.

  77. @lilmoe,
    masochist?…Phsst…nah, man. Just because I got the hot for Kahoi beating Naruto up doesn’t mean I’m a masochist. Wait, now that you mention it I do got a thing for girls beating up Naruto…just like Kishi. LOL!!~joke

  78. Here’s my take on this. When a Bijuu gets sealed into someone, the person develops traits of the Bijuu. Examples; Gaara develops black markings around his eyes and gets the ability to control sand, Yugito has cat shaped eyes, Kirabi’s attacks are based on the bull and the octopus, Naruto gained the fox’s whiskers and his chakra levels grew higher because of the fox’s influence, but most of that chakra goes to keeping the fox’s presence dormant.

    About the CS: i think it enhanced his abilities without activating it. In their first fight on the rooftop, Naruto was equal to Sasuke, but after Sasuke survived getting CS2, he dominated Naruto. I think just having the CS makes you stronger.

    About gifts: the CS and the MS are gifts, one from Oro and one from Itachi. Naruto’s gift is his curse. It damages his body, hurts those close to him and wants to kill him. Most of his chakra goes to suppressing it, so in Part 1 when he takes its power, that was fair, because most of his natural power is wasted keeping the chakra back.

    Ps.Never thought i would be defending Naruto :D

  79. Kisuzachi! the curse has now gone because itachi took it away didnt he! sasuke will still have all his teachings from orochi but will not have the curse seal come out anymore!

    naruto could only conjure his immense chakra when he was emotionally unstable, now he can conjure it with a certain amount of control, soon he will be taught how to control it even further with killbee i think!! once he is able to use the fox chakra and the nature chakra at the same time as he shown through his eyes! he will certainly be allot more powerful then sasuke could possibly imagine.

  80. @ kisu, the CS hurt Sasuke (physically, not emotionally) in 3 years more than the Kyubi hurt Naruto in 15 years! and the MS is making Sasuke blind, so those 2 “gifts” r even more of “curses” than Naruto’s Kyubi!!! just fuck off of Sasuke!!!!! ALL OF YOU WHO INSULT THE SECOND BIGGEST AS WELL AS THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTER: JUST FUCK OFF OF SASUKE, HE’S EXPERIANCED MORE PAIN IN HIS LIFE THAN NARUTO, NEJI, HINATA, SAKURA, LEE, TSUNADE AND KAKASHI COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the last thing he needs is a bunch of bastards like u guys insulting his every second of life!!!!!

  81. @Jet Prime, Ultimate Autobot: looks like you have to read the manga all over again. :-) .

    well, CS hurts Sasuke physically and it’s more than Kyubi’s damage! I am giving you the link where it’s stated that Kyubi’s chakra is lethal for Naruto, you should do the same about Sasuke’s cursed seal where it’s said that it does physical damage and it’s more that Kyubi’s damage.
    here is the link:
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/291/11/

    for the experience of pain, well, to me Naruto and Gaara’s were the worst. Gaara’s were a bit worse than Naruto’s.

    and you support Sasuke doesn’t mean that you can insult others who are saying otherwise. i don’t recall anyone calling Sasuke fans things like “bastards” in this page. you can give your logic, but to insult other members is bad.

  82. @ dpbaka, i’m saying that, while the Kyubi chakra is lethal, Nartuo suffered less physical pain from it than Sasuke did from the CS, the Kyubi only causes actual physical pain when in 4-tail or higher, while the CS causes physical pain even when dormant AND even when sealed. how many times has Naruto bent over in pain just cuz he has the Kyubi inside of him? none that i can recall. so Naruto had an advantage when his gift boosted his powers and he never felt any pain from it until he discorvered 4-tails while Sasuke’s boost caused him agonizing pain (remember against Gaara). as for the whole “Naruto and Gaara suffered more” thing, while Naruto suffered loneliness, he got something to fill in that gap 10-full; and while Gaara suffered abuse, he was saved; and while Nagato suffered loss, he still had someone to hold onto (Konan) and had thousands of cheering fans; but Sasuke suffered something worse than any of those: betrayal. he was betrayed @ a ripe young age when he could b easily influenced, and he was betrayed by his own older brother whom he held dear, and not only was he betrayed, but he also lost more than Nagato lost and @ a younger age than Nagato was when he lost them. Sasuke suffered the most of any character cuz he knew what happiness was like b4 he had misery, unlike Gaara and Naruto, who neither new the kind of bonds Sasuke had until they were 12, while Sasuke had those bonds his whole life up until he was betrayed by the 1 person he was closest too, haveing his entire clan, his entire life, destroyed in 1 foul swoop, that is suffering beyond just being ignored (Naruto), having nightmares and being manipulated (Gaara) and even worse than losing parents @ a 12-ish and your best friend @ 18-ish (Nagato). and the reason y i called u guys bastards and baka, is cuz that’s exactly how all of u r acting about Sasuke, who doesn’t deserve any of this criticism!!!

  83. @Jet Prime, Ultimate Autobot: like I said, you said many things and yet failed to mention any single thing from the manga. all is your assumptions, that won’t establish your claim. :-)

    for the suffering part, i already said that it depends on individual opinion, i said what i think.

    and you used insulting words again. :-( you may like Sasuke, that’s good. I like Naruto, but you can’t find a post where i insulted others to defend Naruto. don’t act like that, it’s very childish to be angered by such things.

  84. @ dp, all of what i said was in the manga, i just didn’t reference it. and i insulted u cuz u r acting like what i called u in your treatment of Sasuke, i like Naruto too, i like him more than Sasuke, infact, alot more than Sasuke, but i can’t take it that u guys r being so biased in your opinions on Sasuke that u don’t recognize the fact that he’s been thru much more than any other character has. i m not insulting u cuz i don’t like u, i m calling u what u r being right now. and note, i did not us any word in this particular comment that is insulting (no cuss words or the like) so please, just try thinking about all Sasuke’s been thru compared to any other character and you’ll understand that he’s been thru enuf (so i don’t use a cuss word) poop without u guys insulting him every chapter. it’s very annoying and very undeserving. just please, leave him alone. and on his fighting abilities, Naruto’s Kyuubi enhances his fighting abilities and he feels no side effect, while Sasuke feels immediate, excrutiating pain everytime he used the CS in part 1 and he loses some of his eyesight when he uses MS, so that means 4 him to b able to do ANYTHING under those circumstances makes him an incredible ninja on par easily w/ Kakashi

  85. oops, can mart just delete that one smaller comment i just made, it was accidentally submitted, but i thought if i hit the “stop” button (red “x” near the refresh button; not the close button) it wouldn’t go

  86. “the CS hurt Sasuke (physically, not emotionally) in 3 years more than the Kyubi hurt Naruto in 15 years!”-Where? the only time he has physical pain is in the chunin exams, after that he learns to control it, there was the threat of losing his mind to Oro. because of it but that failed…

    “the Kyubi only causes actual physical pain when in 4-tail or higher”-nope, it causes pain even when in the lower states, it’s just less visible and Naruto is still mentally in control, HOWEVER there is proof of it, Sasuke mentions it before the final clash at the valley of the end.

    “how many times has Naruto bent over in pain just cuz he has the Kyubi inside of him? none that i can recall” How about after he realized who had hurt Sakura? How about when it almost broke free and he was bleeding from his stomach? (these are physical pain, I’m not interested in emotional pain)

    How many times has Sasuke had pain from the CS’s sealed state? Only during the Chunin exams while he was still new at controling it. Afterwards, especially during CS2 mode it immediately strengthened him. It is NOT the exact same thing as the Kyubbi chakra, it acts in different ways, but the effects are similar.

  87. @Jet Prime, Ultimate Autobot: and yet again you failed to mention the chapter. the only physical damage about cursed seal i can remember is when cursed seal is applied, then there is a low chance of surviving. but if he survives then further mention of physical damage is unavailable in manga. if you’re sure that the manga does contain your logic, then give the link or at least mention the arc where it is said, I’ll read that arc all over again to find that.

    and yet again you called me “bastard” . didn’t you think that after calling me that along with others twice was enough to insult you??? and still i didn’t call you by names. I’m trying to be logical and friendly here while you are saying things without proof and insulting others.

  88. As far as being biased, How? if you look, I’ve been attacking BOTH Naruto AND Sasuke based on FACTS, I could care LESS what either of them have been through because what we were discussing is how the CS and Kyubbi chakra work. Unless you want to try disagree with the FACT that Oro. gave Sasuke the CS and Minato GAVE Naruto the Kyubbi, I don’t see how “what they’ve been through” has any bearing on the powers they use. THOUGH now that you’ve brought it up, I find your argument that because of what he’s been through we should just look the other way a little ironic, I mean it’s not like the ends justify the means even if his name is Pein… I mean Sasuke.

  89. Some random Naruto news… Narutopedia seems to be having site problems (I went to look at info on the CS and Kyubbi chakra because if it’s there it’s reliable enough for me to look it up

  90. @mart1: you don’t have to look at naruto pedia for Kyubi part. it is shown in manga and if you want the page then go upwards and you will find the link in one of my posts.

    and for CS, you can serach it under “Cursed Seal of Heaven” which was used on Sasuke and Anko and one of the strongest cursed seal Orochimaru used. however, there is no backdrop like physical damage is mentioned in the Data book. I think that both Naruto pedia and Manga doesn’t contain JPUA’s claim, that’s why I’m telling JPUA to defend his points with solid evidence.

  91. @mart1- iv explained that as well, when naruto loses control of his anger, the fox comes into play, its not that difficult to understand

  92. @smartass: You still haven’t explained how it heals without giving chakra, unless your saying it only gives chakra in the instances that prove your point and not anyother times which is rediculous, if he can summon subconsciously the fox chakra with anger (intense desire to hurt another) then he summons it during his other intense emotions as well, ex. the intense desire to train and heal.

    DP: 1. the curse seal does cause pain (physically) and no, the whole site is going weird, for me at least, I’m going to try again)

  93. On the Kyubi chakra: Minato sealed the evil yin part in the Reaper Death Seal and he sealed they good yang part in the 8 Trigrams Seal, thus giving Naruto access to the ‘good’ half. The Kyubi chakra, as mentioned by Jiraiya, hurts Naruto even though it appears its healing him and shielding him from attacks.
    On the CS: It only hurt Sasuke when he was rejecting it. After he embraced its power, he stopped feeling the pain, similar to the Sound 4 and Kimimaro. That’s why it still hurts Anko, because she is rejecting it.
    On suffering: Sasuke hasn’t suffered more than Nagato. Nagato was like 9 years old when he watched his parents die in front of him because they were trying to protect him (imagine how he felt knowing that he was the reason for his parents’ deaths). Then everyone Nagato formed a bond with died as well. The kid had to steal to survive and I bet all those they stole from began hating them. Not like Sasuke, he grew up in the most powerful Village, where everyone acknowledged him, he just turned down their bonds, an option that neither Nagato, Naruto nor Gaara had. Nagato has had the worst life thus far and i put Gaara at 2nd, with Naruto as 3rd. Sasuke is just a stuck up emo-bastard that doesn’t deserve Naruto’s efforts to save him.
    On the 2nd best character: It’s obviously s draw between Iruka and Ebisu :D

  94. Here is what Narutopedia says on the issue:

    this is on the CS: “The seals worked by forcibly drawing chakra from the user’s body, giving the user a chakra capacity beyond what they would normally be capable of, as well as increased physical performance, especially in battle” the part about “Forcibly removing chakra is the painfull part, but thats only initially afterwards it just the mental deterioration that causes damage.

    This is on the Deamon Fox “As the demon fox’s jinchūriki, Naruto has accelerated healing, unrivaled stamina and speed, massive strength, and access to the demon fox’s near-limitless chakra. The demon fox’s chakra allows Naruto to perform his signature jutsu, Shadow Clone Technique, seemingly without limit.” this is not in any tailed state or even in the pre-tailed state because those states cause Naruto’s clones to be dispersed.

    another paragrapgh: “Although the demon fox’s chakra naturally mixes with Naruto’s own, Naruto can forcefully tap into the demon fox’s reserves. After training with Jiraiya, he learns to request some of the demon fox’s chakra for his own use.”

    Thanks to Kisu. for copying what I needed for me, everytime I go to narutopedia my internet freezes up…

  95. “SPOILERS ALRERT!!!”

    I just read the spoiler and it was crazy! I don’t know if some of you remember my comment a long time ago about Madara and his brother switching one eyes for the others. This could be it!

    Spoiler pic click here:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7u9gMhrSm6Y/SlT9V2tlCeI/AAAAAAAADo4/RBojSvVyU60/s1600/4.jpg

  96. click here:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7u9gMhrSm6…60/s1600/4.jpg

  97. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7u9gMhrSm6Y/SlT9V2tlCeI/AAAAAAAADo4/RBojSvVyU60/s1600

    you have to add a space between the: and the link to the spoiler…

    I’m not beleiving this one till I see it on onemanga, but if it makes it there it’ll be one great leap for the Tobi/Danzo theory

    http://naruto-spoilers.blogspot.com/

  98. yes it mingles with his chakra, but only on very small level, such as healing his injuries and exhaustion, as you said

    the only times wev seen the kyuubi chakra ACTUALLY being in play is when naruto gets extreemely angry and frustrated, the desire to kill you could say

    i already know that the fox and naruto’s chakra mingle but only SLIGHTLLY, such as forcing the chakra back, with his OWN, thats mingling it has to mingle to force back the power of the fox… however i doubt this uses much due to the Seal, but my point is that the FOXES chakra is not the REASON for naruto’s REGULARLY large chakra…..the shadow clones was NARUTO’S power, but the fox healed his exhaustion during the training, but it DIDNT give him chakra during the training

  99. How is healing his exhaustion any different from giving him chakra? exhaustion is a lack of energy and chakra is energy. The Fox doesn’t need him to be unconscious to heal him either as the fight with Kiba showed, the fox chakra is always adding to his chakra on small levels, his regular chakra is normally large, but not anything out of the ordinary for a ninja. You need to read the quotes above, they clearly state my case for me. Naruto’s anger may unlock MORE of the foxes power but SOME of it is always present in him.

  100. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/12/ this is explaining how naruto’s fox chakra acts to combine with Naruto’s chakra

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/ this is proof that the fox chakra comes out to power Naruto during intense training and is the reason he was able to train continuously while at Toad MT.

    I challenge you to find where it says that Naruto’s chakra supresses the beasts

  101. @kizu

    Yeah but youve got it mixed up, read my post way up ;P

    Yin is the peaceful/good chakra,
    Yang is the chaotic/evil chakra, which is the one Naruto has sealed inside him.

  102. Why argue so much about who is stronger between Sasuke and Naruto…Kishi will have the fight eventually and everyone will have their answer….although I’m sure there will be debate over who the real winner is. Too much speculation and just remarks that can’t be proved or disproved….leave it to the professionals and just wait for the results

  103. hahaah named myself this to just irk mart1

    Trust me, I don’t care.-mart1

  104. danzou has sharingan on his right eye (bandage)…wtf…

    no…i’m not surprised this would happen…still i dun blv he’s uchiha, and that eye was just transplant taken from obito…might be he’s game plan that he needs kabutochimaru to help him on his body condition…that’s all…

    spoiler’s are already out…so expect early chapter today….^^

    http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50744

  105. Obito’s eye was supposedly crushed.

  106. u know i just found out that the real reason why madara wants to restore his eye is because it was damaged in battle with the 4th hokage

  107. @clue427
    really? where did you find that at?

  108. Gotta look at 455!! ITS OUT

  109. i just thought it up

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