Naruto Chapter 449 – The Flower Of Hope

Post Author: J-chan

Aaand.. Pein’s dead! Alas, he died, as expected, but not without showing us his most powerful technique – Gidou Rin’ne Tensei (Heresy: Samsara Nature) to revive the people he killed in Konoha. But, everything in its order, so let’s start with the beginning.

Nagato is touched by Naruto’s determination to stand up against all the suffering in the world and decides that he, too will, for the last time, believe in Jiraiya’s philosophy. He warns Naruto that the path ahead of him is a dangerous one, filled with pain, sacrifice and war. In his last moments Nagato wonders whether his meeting with Jiraiya and Naruto was just coincidence or the work of  a greater force.
Pein’s decision comes at the cost of his own life, because his ultimate jutsu sucks up all of his chakra. I suspect it can only be used to revive people, who were killed by Pein himself and whose souls still haven’t passed on into the afterlife completely (like we saw what happened to Kakashi). Meaning that there probably is a time period in which the jutsu can be used. Or perhaps the bodies of the dead must still be in tact, so that the soul can return to its original body. A body like Jiraiya’s which has already decomposed probably can’t be ressurected.

Even though Konan tries to stop nagao from using Gidou, his mind is made up. That just leaves one option for Konan – to explain Pein’s abilities. His six bodies represent the six realms in the Buddhist cosmology and his real body – the seventh path that links them all together – the controller of the re-birthing process. Nagato’s jutsu is quite interesting – he uses the demon statue that we saw fixing up his other six bodies, to release the souls of the people who were killed.

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And so everyone is revived, everyone is shocked and everyone lived happily ever after. Or at least for now. Katsuya is going to explain everything to the villagers, which will surely be the cause for celebration. There will probably be those like Danzo, who won’t be very happy with the outcome of the battle, though.

In this chapter we see the conclusions to of the side-stories developed through the past 100 chapters. Pein’s death leaves Akatsuki another two members short, as Konan also decides to leave the organisation, in order to pursue her friends’ dreams. As a parting gift she gives Naruto a bouquet of paper flowers as a symbol of friendship in hopes that they might work together someday. She also takes Nagato’s and Yahiko’s corpses to give them a prepare funeral in their home country.
From a conversation between the injured Gamabunta and the Great Toad we understand that the child in the prophecy, which was foretold to Jiraiya, was not just one, but two of his students – both Nagato and Naruto are the ones who will bring a new order to the world.
We also find out that the most popular hero in the series Kakashi is going to be alright. He is ressurected along with the other citizen of Konoha, but just before that he has an interesting encounter. He meets his father – Hatake Sakumo in limbo – a place where a soul ends up beforeit can pass over to the other world. Sakumo has spent the last twenty years or so by himslef in this place, because he still had some unfinished business in the human world. That was to recieve his son’s fogiveness, so that he could transcend into heaven. There he can finally meet up with Kakshi’s mother, who has also passed away a long time ago.

Things right now don’t look too bad for Naruto and Konoha, but we still have no idea what’s going to come ahead.

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Well, this chapter was pretty much the end of this ark, but Kishimoto decided to give us a taste of what’s coming next. And that’s Sasuke! The smexy emo-kid is returning after an absence of over half an year. Last time we saw him, some ninjas from the Thunder Village were about to attack his base. Could Sasuke’s plans for invading Konoha be delayed?

72 Responses

  1. i must say, it’s sad that pein’s dead now but his parting gift to naruto was impressive. the Gidou Rin’ne Tensei (Heresy: Samsara Nature); a jutsu that can bring people he killed back from the dead! do u know how many people would kill for that!! (oh the irony >_>). but altoghter it was a fitting end to him. i’m glad he changed for the better. and now naruto has a new friend….funny how he always ends up doing that :) .

    now naruto has his work cut out for him. how’s a little guy like him’s gonna bring a new order to the world is a mystery to all of us but the manga is called ‘Naruto’ so we probably already know what the outcome will be :D .

    rejoice fangirls!! ur sweet heart is not dead, well not yet anyway :P . he finally forgave his dad after 20 years so his dad can finally rest in peace. i wonder what the WFOK did to occupy his time?

    well the arc is finally finished! we laughed. we cried. some let out a few choice words while some were speechless. but all together it was a fun, action filled and exciting one. now its finally come to this: sasuke’s return to konoha. hope naruto’s ready for this cause its gonna be one helleva batlle.

    great job as always J and continue to keep up the good work :D !!

  2. This was the BEEEEEST now we will have a couple of things to look forward to like the battles Naruto will have to face, like Sasuke, mayby Kabuto and last but not least Tobi (Madara Uchiha). I’m just thinking of what kind of new traning Naruto will be going throu now that he knows he will have to face Tobi. If you ask me i think he will be going throu the same training as his dad did to master the body flicker jutsus, mayby some new training with the sage techniques now that Pa is alive and i also hope Naruto could train a little on the wind element training because he dosent really use the wind element in battles. But for me the biggest scene here will be what will happen betwen Naruto and Hinata, i am not shour on this one but i think there will be some love in it plus that Naruto will mayby mayby do some training with Hinata in order make her stronger. I am not shour on any of my thouts here. PLEACE COMMENT ON MY THAUTS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. XD

  3. this is a fitting end for nagato. but it’s kinda short, i’d expect more conversations (how nagato believed in naruto) and some reminiscing (jiraiya moments with nagato). the question now is, what will be of konan? what will be tobi’s reaction now that his top members have fallen and one quits? heh. anyway….

    …the long batlle has ended…for now

  4. gosh, i didn’t know the blogs were still going since bob isn’t around still… dang i feel left out. i guess u guys need to post this listing where bob used to on the homepage; and that’s the right corner of the page… anyways, glad i found it at least (i keep thinking to myself how i keep missing things, the irony is that i created a bunch of websites myself, sighs). but nonetheless, good job J-chan :) nice analysis, allow me to add though.

    Not for our surprise, naruto has yet again “changed” another person and “added” him to his list of friends and allies. his resolve and beliefs were befitting of the main character of the story and the man whom all entrusted their faith in (us included). it’s sad that nagato had to die and leave naruto with the extremely difficult task all by himself, but i guess he figured that reviving the rest of the village would be of better benifit to naruto not only physically (ally-wise) but also mentally (his spirits are now all back to max, his comrads were all safe :) )

    what’s also worth mentioning is that naruto has also gained another country as a loyal and trustworthy ally for his future of becoming hokage, the first being the sand (gara). as promised by konan, i’m sure the rain village will, undoubtly, do what konan asks them to do, and that’s to aid naruto AND konoha’s now known old and renewed cause of ending war and suffering. That makes 3 out of 5 nations, which means naruto has the advantage AND majority when it comes to support. now the dreams of all the hokages have come a huge step closer by the hands of our and only naruto.

    Word will spread, uzumaki naruto has rescued his village and took down one of the most powerful shinobis in history aka the leader of akatsuki. his reputation and strength will preceed him, and he’ll be well known throughout the lands for being one of the wisest and most powerful, one more powerful of the sannin and pein. naruto will become a legend throught the land, those who loved him and those who were helped by him thoughout his journey will tell stories of a young hero who surpassed all their expectations, and many generations to come will look up to him as a hero king, a savior, and a FRIEND.

    naruto now has comrads, family, friends, huge responsibility, and now a love life :) all what’s needed for him mature and make him the BEST and ONLY candidate for the next hokage, i’m sure tsunade isn’t left with a choice :P , not only was she saved by naruto, but also outwitted in wisdom.

    would love to add more, but J-chan did a good job in analysing this chapter. great stuff guys :)

  5. @ nine@tailed@girl

    it’s true that a new order will be difficult, but up to this moment miracles (in a sense, :P ) did not occur. the hard work, efforts, and beliefs of naruto are what’s doing all this. he has a great majority in support. if he becomes hokage, then a REAL friendship from two other nations (so far) will aid him in his cause, not to mention his own strength. i’m sure naruto is strong enough (with sage-mode, kyuubi, and summoning power) to take out an entire nation by himself. but his true strength lies somewhere else, and that’s changing people just like we’ve seen before and seen now in this very last chapter :)

  6. oh yes, very well end up arc battle…first of all, i’m sad that jiraiya is not included to be revive…maybe perhaps, his body was already decay which impossible…happily, the end of battle will cost a lot happiness for naruto that his fellow villagers was alive, and will continue to be happy w/ hinata…i really not expecting this will happen…l0ng live kakashi fans…^^

    therefore more sm/jutsu’s we will see…and hoping for it, naruto’s 2nd element which is it??water??…obvious…because he’s from clan of uzumaki, the whirlpool village…”hurricane”…

    pitty danzou, he failed…i know…but he does, dun wry, sasuke is on his way…

    yes, konan is now probably side of naruto which she will help him to pursue naruto’s dreams come true…^^good to be nagato wasn’t saying “i love you naruto” if does, konan will do it for him…and they will be conflict between hinata and konan….hehehe…hope to see the fit body of konan, i know she’s sexy…^^nvm…-off topic

    and i smell “romance” after this…^^go hinata…

    ohh no…hope it won’t happen that kishi will end narutoverse at chp500…if does, still big a lot of questions to be answered…of yes, it’s not enough for 50chp to go..^^

  7. btw, g0od j0b j-chan…it’s quite short summary but it’s all full complete…^^

    and hell0 b0b-sama??…where are y0u n0w, it’s been l0ng tym summer vacati0n, it’s coming near june…h0pe y0ur fine, we glad to see you again…^^

  8. Gj J-sama.

    Here’s what I think, Amegakure is going to feel Madara’s wrath. Without “God” to protect it, the “angel” is pretty much useless. And it’s not like Amegakure is one of the 5 great shinobi villages, it’s just a plain old ninja village without a Kage.

    I think Sasuke will be interrupted by the thunder-nin headed to Konoha. It’s the perfect battle because the thunder-nin think that Sasuke killed their beloved sensei (Kirabi/Killerbee).

    And finally, R.I.P Nagato. :(

  9. This chapter was poorly written and just made to appease the many fanboys/ girls.

    I am surprised how easily one can change their beliefs and find new ones (nagato) and have the audacity to proclaim a fight in the name of peace, justice, revenge and other ideals yet give up so easily.

    Further more i am even more perturbed by the fact that naruto had no clear answer to nagato’s questions yet managed to sway nagato like he has countless others with a 15 min convo that made him change his ways which he could not do for the majority of his life.

    However what gets me laughing the most is the obvious dbz-esque nature of the mega undo and consequent revival of the konoha nins. That had me laughing and upset at the same time. wow kishi is well, found out.

    the series is about to end sadly.

  10. Sasuke is going to be very surprise by just how much naruto has grown. Not only as a ninja physically but also mentally. He is a whole new person, and with new skills. He should be getting promoted soon, he is now a sage. Although a genin, his strength and ability now surpasses the sanin. If I am not mistaken I would say that he is now on KAGE level combat now. Though his intellect can use a little work lol. Sasuke is going to come to konoha, but there are going to bit off more then they can chew. Danzo is in for a treat when he tries to take over konoha. Not only will the greatest ninja be waiting for him. But Some of his members like Sia and Yamoto wil not be at his side. I also believe that Danzo with die pretty soon, probably at the hands of sasuke. Everyone will learn about naruto heritage, now that he knows who his father is. I believe there is more in store for naruto because there is more characters that need to come back to the story. Alot of people may have forgotten about this but Itachi. Itachi is not dead, his sharingan may not be restored but he is not dead. He is going to play a key role in naruto’s future. Remember he gave naruto a special power of his, and wish that he wouldn’t have to use it against sasuke. Who nows what that is I especially can’t wait to see. Well like all good fans we just have to be paitent. In due time everything will reveal its self, until next time.

  11. @the naruto and saskue poll-

    haha, nice post chan, but was that poll really needed, we all know that saskue is going to get his arse whooped by naruto now :P lol however naruto is pretty exhausted…..he didnt have any time to rest after training before fighting nagato, and he problably wont have time to rest before saskue gets to konoha…what with danzo, rebuilding the village, dealing with freinds, loved ones (cough hinato cough) lol but yea there’s a fair chance Kishi will play favorites in this fight to-come…..i really hope not, but kishi’s done it before

  12. I loved this chapter, not only I’m happy that this whole battle is over and something new is about to start, I am happy everyone like Kakashi and Fukasaku and everyone else isn’t dead.

    I think now that Nagato has done this he has proved that he isn’t a bad person and that everyone show use this philosophy to real life instead of labeling someone as evil try to understand them first!

    I think you guys are right after all this stuff Naruto needs a rest, rebuilding the village and maybe getting some more training in before Sasuke gets there and there is Danzo, man I know he’s not going to be happy! Maybe he still have a chance to become Hokage, i mean Tsunade didn’t exactly protect anyone and maybe people would want to try his methods because it seems Tsunades way didn’t work!

  13. I think the Thunder-nin will arive in Konoha first because you remember they have a message from the Raikage to give to the Hokage! I think everyone is about to find out Sasuke has joined Akatsuki and that they captured the Eight Tails even thought the really didn’t. I think if sasuke doesn’t attack right away Naruto will track down the Eight tails himself and they will join together to take down the Akatsuki!

  14. I also think everyone is about to find out Naruto is the Fourth Hokages son and he is about to learn his fathers Flying Thunder God Technique! I think he has t learn this if he is going to fight Madara. I mean you can’t beat your opponent if you can’t catch him so naruto is going to have to learn that on top of other strong jutsu!

  15. I guess Naruto can change even someone like Nagato, who knew? That was one impresive technique, able to bring back the dead. Next chapter’s going to be interesting, we’ll likely see the aftermath, everyone’s shining faces upon seeing Naruto intact. Sasuke probably won’t stand a chance against the new Naruto.

    P.S.: Someone should update the character profiles from the manga and anime.

  16. “smexy emo-kid”, mmm I dont think so.But I am happy to see the end of this arc and the return of Sasuke.

    Only one main conclusion Sasuke wont find redemtion by dead. Kishi gave that end to Pein

    will Sasuke turn into the ultimate evil?
    or
    will he live and make peace with Konoha?

  17. yellowflash2 : what is : Flying Thunder God Technique ???

  18. @leo: “Flying Thunder God Technique” was the 4th’s signiture move. He placed special seals anywhere he choose, then he could instantly teleport to that location at will.

  19. I think sasuke became the next leader of Akatsuki….

  20. ok rowjar23, THAT’S WAAAAAAAY OFF. Kisame, Madara and I assume Zetsu are stronger than Sasuke, so why should he be leader. Remember that Nagato was probably the strongest Akatsuki member (I dont say Madara because of his weakened Sharingan)

  21. When I saw that kakashi was Alive I ran upstairs to my sister and started dancing and yelling “Kakashi’s alive!!”

  22. alright chapter could of been better but i guess the end of this arc has to come slowly but its only setting it up for the next arc to come in with a big bang, cant wait to see how sauske will react and his facial expression when he finds out that naruto defeated the leader/god pein that will be priceless, konoha must have a celebration for naruto for saving it maybe free ramen, no more nagato huh hmm, wish they showed how he made the realms oh well, his death was quick a little too quick, no more rinnegan i dont think so there has to be more to it, wonder whos goning to fight naruto next maybe aloe vera

  23. thank you xerax

  24. @Yellow-Flash two
    That would be sooo wicked if he learns that tech. Naruto should be appropriately named the 6th hokage. And does Tsunade know of his dad? Probably does, but i dont think everyone will be shocked by the news.

  25. at last the Pain arc is finished and in the best way possible. Naruto gained alliance with one more village. and no one is dead in the village. I am happy that Shizune and fukasaku are not dead, i didn’t thought that Kakashi was dead and so nothing special there.

    is it only me or there are others who think that Sasuke is looking more girlish by now?

  26. Sasuke is going to get owned if he hasnt learned to control the mongekyo and even if he has he’s going to have a hell of a time trying to be naruto because lets not forget how naruto has matured with strategy and battle tactics(example: the 5 second window of time he used to defeat Pain and come up with mutiple plans to do it in no time), not to mention raw power with 3 stores of chakra(fox chakra, nature chakra, and not to mention his own which by itself is huge)

  27. Naruto’s unquestionably going to be the 6th after this. and if he learns his father’s techniques everyone can forget about even trying to beat him because he is already damn near unstoppable. With that he WOULD be unstoppable. The Flying Thunder God Technique is very powerful. take that into all the other incredible jutsu’s and tecniques Naruto has.

  28. so kakashi is alive!!!!!!!
    but at least we know that he WAS dead…..hard to believe he actually died : /

  29. Good job, J! :)

    I hate to admit it but I’m glad that this arc is over, though I can’t say that I’m excited to see Sasuke in the next arc. Some better alternatives on my list are the Kage summit, the 8tj and Danzou. But oh well, Kishi opted to satisfy the fangirldom by reviving Kakashi (me included :p) and ending Sasuke’s hibernation.

    I don’t think Madara would do as much as annihilate Amegakure. I think he has more pressing concerns e.g. Sasuke’s mission and capture of the remaining tailed-beasts. So what happens to Amegakure? The villagers’ fear and adoration of Pain were mainly based on secondhand information of his conquests that have circulated their village. They have their own image of who Pain is. Because of this, I think Amegakure would survive the death of their leader. Or, would Konan even inform them of Nagato’s death? I think Konan is capable of becoming the village’s new leader. She’s not the lone female Akatsuki member for nothing. But then there’s the big gap between Konan and Pain’s abilities (most of Rain’s defense tactics against intruders were executed by Nagato e.g. controlling and using the rain as chakra sensor). Anyway if worse comes to worst, we can just look at Rain’s geographical position. It has 2 of the 5 biggest countries bordering its land: Konoha on its right side (now its ally) and Suna on its bottom left (Konoha’s ally).

    RIP, Nagato! An afterthought: Is this the last that we’ll be seeing the Rinnegan?

  30. I agree with ‘lady hinata’. What happens to the rain village should be interesting from now on. If Pein was their main defense tactic and he is the only one capable of using the rain technique, then chances are they will get crushed by any major attack from a Shinobi nation. I think the fact that Konoha is now on their side is a huge boost though. It is almost more advantageous for amegakure to ally with Naruto than the other way around.

    I do not think that Naruto will be learning the flying thundergod technique so quickly. All of his training has been supervised and taught up until now. Even though he completed the rasen shuriken on his own, Kakashi and Yamamoto taught/led him through at least 80% of it. The sage techniques were taught to him directly by fukusaku. The only technique he has ever learned on his own is kage bunshin. Seeing as there are no living users of that jutsu (at least that we know of) I think he will master other things first.

    I think that we are going to find out that there was a strong connection between Itachi and Yondaime. While its all well and good that Itachi could have chosen Naruto for his gift due to the kyuubi and his connection to Sasuke, I think there is more to it than that. Itachi would probably have know yondaime (I’m pretty sure all jounin+ ninja meet the hokage) and seeing as he was fiercly loyal to the village I can imagine them getting along. Maybe part of his reasoning for naruto was something he cooked up with Yondaime during that mission to destroy his clan. It may have even been thought up in part by the fourth, who knows?

    Anyway, I can’t wait to see this weeks chapter. Take care all.

    -pcgnome out

  31. I haven’t read through all the comments so if i’m repeating anything previously stated, my apologies. Anyone taking what happened in ch 424, pgs 2&3 into consideration? Just a thought

  32. luv this chapter. wonder what happens to hinata and naruto now? hopefully good things.

  33. confirmed spoilers… Gotta say they suck… just read and weep… to those of you who already have… at least he won’t live long… :)

    http://www.mangaspoiler.com/naruto-450-spoiler-%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88-450/

  34. @mart: thanks for the spoilers.

    well, that is a certain change in the pace of manga. i think it’s Kishi’s style to make Sasuke’s approach acceptable, that’s why things are going this way now. what could be the other reason to choose the next one as soon as the battle finished?

  35. or may be Naruto will be against this as he knows that how much evil Danzou is.

  36. Now mart lets not jump to conclusions…these spoilers tend to make up some stuff or are obscure, but there is some truth in them. Only way to find out what actually happened is to wait for it to come out later this week!

  37. @ pcgnome

    ya know what.. i think you might be right.. i think itachi’s gift had a deeper meaning than just Naruto’s relationship towards Sasuke. ya you could be on to something there about Yondaime and Itachi working together.

  38. nah those spoilers seem exaggerated, but i might believe tsunage in a “comostase” state..but who knows

    lets just wait til this friday before we start getting rilled up lol

  39. I don’t think Gidou Rin’ne Tensei is only limited to bring back people Pain has killed. Some of you are forgetting that it’s that same justu he used to revive his other bodies when Jiraiya killed those three and also when Naruto killed one. I just think this one is on a larger scale.

  40. @kennyq: i’m not sure about the techniques being same.

    one thing is for certain that those bodies of Pain had no soul, they all represented Nagato, they even had the rinnegan.

    when the bodies were “revived” they didn’t have the original soul. so it can be said that Nagato rebuild those bodies.

    but for the recent jutsu he used, it revived dead persons and Nagato even said that time is important to revive them. but the bodies of pain were dead for a long time. so the techniques can’t be same.

  41. about the spoilers, i found some pics and it did involve: Kakashi carrying Naruto to chearing fans; Shikaku talking and Danzo yelling. what that all means i’m not sure, but i found a similar script several times (tho, really my main source is youtube, but hey, they’ve been more accurate than many other places i used to go to). i think Dnzo will b declared new Hokage, he’ll suck balls @ it and they over-throw him and appoint either Kakashi or Naruto Hokage
    PS: i have a feeling Hinata would b the one, if allowed, to shout his name:
    Shikaku: okay, we need a ne. . .
    Hinata: NARUTO!!!!!!!
    Shikaku: we’re only letting adults vo. . .
    Hinata: NARUTO!!!!!!
    Shikaku: you’re not certified t. . .
    Hinata: JUST PICK NARUTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Shikaku: Fine, all in favor. . .
    lol, somthing like that :D

  42. @TFSD: yeah it’s sucks…danzou will be appointed as hokage…this is more horrible than the pain’s destruction….>.<

  43. @pcgnome, ur theory isnt bad, but its not good considering the time line. Itachi was only 18-19 in part 1 of the series. Now lets rewind time 12-13 years (Naruto’s age in part 1) back, Itachi would be 6 years old and according to the series “At age 7 he graduated from the Ninja Academy after only one year at the top of his class, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passing the Chunin Exams at age 10 and becoming ANBU Captain at age 13″. All of this was after 6 years old.

  44. @ (kimgee), yeah, it would suck if he was Hokage, but i think u misread my comment. i said that Danzo would suck @ being Hokage, i mean he’s a scardy cat, a huge jerk, and how good can any of his jutsu (Nin, Tai and Gen) b if he only has 1 arm?

  45. I think Danzo could be good at Taijutsu through years pf living without arms, Ninjutsu has some limited possibilities, 1 handed seals, Summonings, Combination jutsu (so not Danzo’s style) and Seals that unleash jutsu, ex. Jariya sealed Amatseru for later study. As for Genjutsu, this is where I see a sneaky bastard like Danzo shining, as Itachi showed, genjutsu doesn’t neccesarily rely on hand signs, he trapped Naruto with his finger (and Kakashi with his eye’s but that was sharingan-only) so with his cunning, I think Danzo could still be a formidable cripple, otherwise the spoilers (confirmed) couldn’t possibly be true.

  46. Lmao FSD, how the hell can he make hand signs with only one arm (unless he’s Haku)? lol It would take forever for him to finish paperwork. Seriously, what can he do????

  47. @ mart, yeah i argee w/ the genjutsu a bit, but that’s pretty hard, he’d have to have been practicing that type of genjutsu 4 a while, but the taijutsu i don’t get unless he just uses kicks cuz the taijutsu’s that use arms r only strong if both arms r used (ex, Gentle fist isn’t very threatening if the person just uses one arm cuz it would take so long, so they use both arms to make the attacks swifter) but i guess if Tsunade could get in w/ only taijutsu and med ninjutsu, i guess it’s not much more far-fetched 4 a guy whose only attacks r kickin and genjutsu, hen it would b ok. and he might have one hand seals, but those seem hard to master and probably can only b used 4 specific techs (as in only certain jutsu can b performed by them just as certain regular ninjutsu need a certain sequence of hand seals) which would limit his ability greatly
    @ kisu, lol, yeah it would take a long time. unless of course he tied a pencil to his face like Spongebob once did w/ his spatula LOL!

  48. btw, mart, Danzo’s pretty lazy and/or cowardly (as demonstrated by the fact that he just hid from Pein underground and the fact that he always has someone else do the dirty work) so i don’t really c him mastering one-hand seals or hand-seal-less genjutsu the way Haku and Itachi respectivly learned, especially if he didn’t start trying to learn b4 he lost his arm
    @ kisu, now that Nagato died a heroic (yet kinda corny and redundant) death, Danzo’s my new fav 2 pick on

  49. he only lost one arm, so he could still use one handed Taijutsu, I see him using some from of one-handed sword based Taijutsu like Kenpachi (non-Kendo), he would have an attack style that was used to one handed attacks. As for him not learning Genjutsu and one handed seals, it’s not that he is lazy or unskilled, He was a rival to the Third… He simply doesn’t want to fight Pein because he would have ended up in a position similar to Tsunade and wouldn’t be able to do what he is now doing, He isn’t neccesarily cowardly either, he simply doesn’t hold the same “Honor bound” values that Naruto (all of the Third’s followers) holds and doesn’t think killing himself is worth the lives of the villagers.

  50. @ mart, oh, i c where u r going w/ this. yep, Danzo’s not a coward, he just looks bad cuz everyone else in the village (even f#%king Konohamaru) is braver than he is, and so he’s only a coward if u compare him to anyone else who wears a Konoha headband

  51. thats the general direction, he’s a coward only when compared to Kohana’s ninja, who all seem battle crazy and have absolutely no stealth skills… He fights dirty, but he still fights….

  52. i honestly dont think that danzo can pose a threat if we are speaking of his battle skills….no he seems to need everyone else to do things….he doesnt strike me as a formidable opponent in any way, he just seems to..how can i put this respectitively…..old and crippled…not to mention extreemely weak due to his old age

    and you could say that the third hokage was ALSO old but, danzo isnt the third hokage is he?? lol i doubt he was anywhere near saratobi’s strength, intteligence and other etc….. you get my point i just dont seem him as a powerful fighter, so i doubt he’d get hokage position….doesnt seem very kishi-like

  53. Danzo is manipulative, tricky and wise, these things are his strengths as a ninja, you don’t get to BE his age without some insane amount of power, I don’t think he is on the same level as Pein, because he was obviously to scared to fight him, BUT he could probably force Naruto (young and naive) into fighting him in a limited way, ex. poisoning him, fighting in a chakra stealing room, with Senjutsu/Kyubbi chakra off the table (the five pronged seal is a one handed jutsu…) or in a fight against Kohana ninja that he doesn’t want to harm. He won’t BACK DOWN from a fight with Naruto, he’s just going to make sure 1. He will win and 2. He looks like a victim of Naruto’s anger and pride (maybe also make it look like Naruto is crazy because he is a jinkuri and needs to be restrained…)

  54. @ mart, yes, he’s manipulative, but Naruto’s not a retard (except w/ girls unless he starts dateing Hinata, the hottest and nicest girl his age) besides, Five Pronged Seal required @ least one hand seal to activate it (or @ least it does in the games, but the games tend to make things look easier, not harder), so that’s out of the question; poisoning would only make Naruto fight fiercer (try to finish it quicker) and stealing chakra would only awaken the Kyubi (in movie 1, Naruto had this thingy on him that seals off all his chakra and the Kyuubi broke free when Naruto got really angry) so that won’t work. and to compare those strategies (poison and chakra stealing) to other chaaracters: Sakura, creates an antidote in like 10 seconds and has the best chakra control of squad 7; Hinata, incredible w/ herbs, may have somthing to boost her immunity, also has possibly the best chakra control of Konoha 12 (hey, Neji isn’t the one who creates force feilds from 15-foot threads of chakra); Shino, insects counteract all poisons and then they can steal chakra and give it to him; Neji, fight fiercer like Naruto would, chakra control is also very high; Lee, w/ the f#%ked up training Gai gives him, it shouldn’t b too, too new; Gai, srsly, that guy’s like indestructible; Shika, easily find a way to turn it against Danzo; Gaara would shoot sand @ him and win; Kankuro would fight poison w/ poison and he probably doesn’t use much chakra on his puppets; etc, etc. comeon, Danzo’s the worst person 4 the job if the job description includes “wisest and most powerful ninja in Konoha” in bold print (sheesh, u and Danzo r becoming the new kisu and Pein)

  55. I see that people are arguing over Danzo. If you want, read the spoilers, i am in shock…yes it has to do with Danzo

  56. @ ramen, yes i read the spoilers, what we r argueing over is if he’d b a good Hokage or not. i think since he has practically no jutsu yet shown and since he cowars in the face of death (unlike the other Konohians) he’d b a horrible hokage, and mart thinks since he’s manipulative that he’d b a descent Hokage

  57. @mart1-

    first off, there is no chamber to lock away naruto’s chakra, konoha is demolished if you havent noticed..lol heavy sarcasm

    second of all just because he’s old, doesnt mean he has some INSANE power, it just means he was a decent nija, and had a good life, look at other nija’s, just because they arent strong doesnt mean they wont live long

    thirdly, you have to take in consideration danzo’s AGE….there is no way he his a match for naruto, no matter how powerful he used to be or is, naruto is NOT stupid, naruto is intelligent, very bright, and has tremendous skill and power…he wont be fooled by danzo

    and the villagers wont think naruto needs to be restrained….remember the seige?? NO vilager would betray naruto, and everyone was willinging to help him, not to mention he just saved everyone who died, including kakashi, so unless none of the villagers has a brain, and are just complelty retarded….they wont lock him away :)

    lol

  58. @ smartass, well put. Danzo has no effective way of defeating Naruto. not to mention he fits none of the qualifications to b Hokage (except being Konohian, but that’s somthing that the guy @ the ramen stand also has) so i think mart’s just over estemating Danzo just cuz he’s smart. big whoop, so was Galileo and he wasn’t respected 4 about 400 years

  59. @Danzo being Hokage matter
    i don’t give a flying crap what everyone else thinks, i am pissed off that he is hokage. Kakashi was way more deserving. I doubt he could become a good hokage. My thought because that he was so desperate to become it. And he took horrible measures. No hokage would stand and watch his village trampled. I dont care if his was a scheme, he will get his ass kicked by Sasuke either ways. Maybe im being over reactive but he would be a BAD HOKAGE. He is in no shape to become one.

  60. Kakashi was a cool choice (Fire lord must die, because he choose Danzo).

    Danzo is not the Hokage yet. May be other Ninja and specially Naruto will oppose it. may be he will even challange Danzo for the title and that will be the best time to reveal Naruto’s heritage. (i know it’s quite lame, but i can’t stand Danzo becoming Hokage)

  61. and about Danzo will be a good hokage or not, he will be the worst Hokage Konoha could ever have. a Hokage who thinks emotions are nothing but weakness and there should be no peace but war.

  62. So yeah… I’m PRETTY sure the actual ninja of konoha(sans root) would not really be all hot about this… and I don’t think they would oppose naruto(even if they were afraid of the uber rasen shuriken owning them, they still wouldn’t fight naruto).
    I don’t think naruto will seek direct confrontation, due to his heightened nature now, but only time will tell.
    So, danzo and his root will either:
    1. Get their asses handed to them by naruto(this guy beat every pein, there should be absolutely no problem to beating this guy) Honestly, one rasenshuriken and he’s gone WITH his entire root division.
    2. Be promptly demoted because all of konoha vote naruto and only his homo emotionless dick-sucking root vote him.

  63. @RN and dark prince, yeah, worst Hokage ever, he’s not even cool looking (1st-4th looked badass and Tsunade, well, i believe the # was 104 cm lol; but Danzo looks like a baboon’s south side after sitting on a heat lamp for 5 days, lol) anyways, he doesn’t act or look the part. btw, DP, what did u mean about FLS wanting C=Danzo o become Hokage?
    FYI, i’m thinking of getting another name change, it’ll still b Transformers 2 related, only it’ll b a good guy: “Jet Prime” (Optimus Prime and Jetfire combined 4 a bad-ass mega-robot) what does everyone think about that name? or would it b to confusing to change my name a 3rd time?

  64. @ rpg, whoa, careful on the expicitness, that really gave me a scary image in my head. besides, is Sai really like that? then again he does make fun of Naruto alot 4 having a small u-kno-what, but that’s just to piss him off

  65. @RPG
    Hey man watch out Sai is from root.
    Sure he made fun of Naruto sayign he has no thingamahuha but he changed a lot. Ill trust him more than any of the root. I think he really changed and i dont need that image of d**k sucking…

  66. u kno what, i’m going to do it tonight (change my name and avatar) my new name will b (starting tomorrow) “Jet Prime, Ultimate Autobot” (again, i’m not doing it now, i’ll wait a few hours when it’s almost tomorrow) my new avatar will b http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3240/3572211913_02dddd741e.jpg
    (again, do not start calling me this until tomorrow)

  67. “but Naruto’s not a retard”: no he’s not, but he’s idiot savant style genius not mastermind genius, he finds ways out of traps, but he usually falls for all of them initially (unless someone explains it to him, and even then…)

    “no jutsu yet shown”: I’m just speculating at what he seems like he would use, he isn’t just going to roll over and die the second someone opposes him directly. Your killing him before he’s even shown ANYthing, like I said at first, HE’S GOING TO DIE, I just am speculating on what he will be like before he does die, I’m not like Kisu. and Pein, I know he will be deposed, and quickly, but simply because he isn’t a “Good Guy” and doesn’t embrace the “Will of Fire” doesn’t mean for the short time he is in office/fighting Naruto and Sasuke (and because of Pein’s story, I deffinatley belive they will be fighting together) for said office, he will be an interesting Villan (who unlike Nagato, I DON’T want to turn good [because it woul be only a show if he did]) that will control the village effectively and provide a tough fight. (I think he will, in his short time of office decline the “Kage Summit”)

    As for those other people fighting, the poison/chakra supression would only be for Naruto, he would use different strategies for different people. On the Chakra stealing thing, I was thinking more of those seals Jariya created to surpress the beast OR something like Szayel Apollo Granz’s rooms (in Bleach) which stop chakra from coming out.

    Smartass:”no chamber to lock away naruto’s chakra”: None above ground, but Danzo already has been shown to have an underground hideout (he seems like team rocket, an underground liar in the middle of a town, so cliche…)

    “look at other nija’s”: What ninja’s? besides the other elders (who are basically the same way he is…) the next oldest ninja are a generation down and of them only one is left (now in a comatose state)

    “remember the seige”: It’s all about SPIN, I do remember the seige… the seige caused BECAUSE naruto as a jinkuri brought Pein to their door, the seige in which NARUTO in a fit of Kyubbi rage DESTROYED the village… (Before you comment on how rediculous this is, after you stop and actually think about it critically for a second 1. I know 2. people will belive anything because they are suckers that aren’t looking at everything critically…)

  68. I’m not sure what mart1 is saying. may be he is trying to say that if Danzo become hokage, then the storyline will become more interesting. if it’s true then I can agree with him.

    but if he is saying that Danzo will make a good Hokage, then it will be so wrong. I don’t know how much strong Danzo is, but if strength is everything, then Orochimaru was a damn good choice for the title Hokage.

    Hokage is supposed to protect the villagers, where were Danzo and his underlings when Pain attacked? he had them hidden for the right time to overtake the village. Now when the battle is finished he came over demanding the title.

    and not to mention how much problem he created for the village. i can remember some:

    1. He sent Sai to join Orochimaru with the secret ANBU files.

    2. He is the main reason for Nagato to destroy Konoha (the death of Yahiko). (@mart1: Pain came for Naruto all right, but he used the big blast because of his personal grudge and Naruto had nothing to do with it and yet you are blaming Naruto, may be you should read the chapter again, it’s chapter 429 probably)

    3. He is the reason why Uchiha clan is dead and Konoha loose Itachi, an amazing and may be the best ninja after Minato and Jiraiya.

    there are other things as well like the ROOT causing problem for the village.

    I showed some reasons why Danzo shouldn’t become Hokage. Now can anyone mention one good reason why Danzo is good as Hokage?

    and @mart1 agian: you said that the chakra blast from KN6 destroyed the village. you forgot to mention that no one died in that attack. and if you count the physical damage, then Naruto has paid for it by defeating and convincing Nagato to revive all. and if you count the spoilers then it’s clear that how the villagers appreciated this.

  69. I’m not saying they are good excusses, simply the rebuttal that Danzo will use to neutralize Naruto. I’m not saying that Danzo will be a super great Hokage either, simply that, like all MILITARY dictators, he will rule efficently and effectively.

    Again for those who don’t understand, I am not a huge Danzo fan, but he isn’t going to be some push over ninja as most of you make him out to be… there is just to much conflict (Danzo and Sasuke, Danzo and Naruto, and last but not least, Sai and Danzo) for him to die quickly…

  70. I’ll have to agree with mart on this. Danzo has shown himself to be a master of deception, and masters of deception never die easily. I don’t think mart is saying that Danzo will be a good Hokage, I think he’s saying that Danzo will be an effective Hokage.

  71. may be I’m dumb. but what’s the difference between good and effective Hokage? because the main job of the Hokage is to protect the village. now a man who did nothing to help his village in times of need, how can he be effective? but he will be effective in a way that as soon as he become hokage, he will create a village like otogakure and become a kage like Orochimaru was. now if you mean this by effective, then I doubt that any of you are using the word correctly.

  72. Man…How many marshmellows did the White Fang have to sit by a campfire for 20 years!!! I think that would drive me insane, even if i WAS dead.

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